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Tamerlin, I was talking about the Australia A -v- France A match last Tuesday night, not the Test match last Saturday night. The French A scrum was penalised a number of times for driving in and up, "popping" the scrum. I watched the game.


Oops !

Sorry for the confusion Finbar, I haven't seen the match so I won't make any comments. I have read the French players have lost they temper which is a bad thing.

I guess I have a bit overreacted on this issue.

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Great. Argentina.

I'm sure the lack of association will become evident given time.


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Any predictions for the big games this weekend?

I'll try France to sneak the game by 1-3 points.
Pumas to beat SA by 5-7.

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Risky bets youre placing there Havak.

As much as I would love for France to win I think Australia will win, but not by much. Also I expect SA will beat Argentina by at least 15 points.

Hmmm...I wonder if we could organise some kind of rugby betting pool...anyone else interested?

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Great. Argentina.

I'm sure the lack of association will become evident given time.


In terms of proof, puddings and the eating thereof - the Pumas arrived in South Africa and promptly lost to South Africa A 36-42.

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Oops !

Sorry for the confusion Finbar


No worries, Tamerlin. The original post - about the "A" match - was a while ago.

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I haven't seen the match so I won't make any comments. I have read the French players have lost they temper which is a bad thing.


Two French A players were sent off for professional fouls in the last 10 minutes. France A had been leading comfortably but Australia A made a very strong comeback. They were bombarding the French line and I think there was some panic.

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I guess I have a bit overreacted on this issue.


No. We all stand up for our teams. Havak more than anyone!

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Any predictions for the big games this weekend?

I'll try France to sneak the game by 1-3 points.


As I said earlier, the French pack - back to full strength - worries me. Despite Eddie Jones' best efforts, our pack isn't our strong point. If the French can control the ball better than they did last week, they could beat us.

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Not if they couldn't beat the SA "A" team.

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Hmmm...I wonder if we could organise some kind of rugby betting pool...anyone else interested?


Goodoh. And Arthur Andersen can audit the books?

I think it's a fine idea, though. Even if it's only fantasy money. We could use one of the Sports Bet organisations' figures for odds and points spreads. For example, there are 4 major Australian Sports Bet organisations. This morning, they all have Australia at 5/1 on (that's 1/5 against) to beat France. Invest one dollar, you win twenty cents (plus your dollar back). They are offering between 4/1 and 9/2 against the French winning. Which renders the French a mighty fine bet in a field of two, IMHO.

The odds for the Tri-Nations are interesting too. All 4 organisations have the ABs favourites at between 6/4 and 7/4 (that's 1 1/2 to 1 and 1 3/4 to 1) against winning. Australia are second favourites at between 2/1 and 5/2 (that's 2 1/2 to 1) against. The Boks are between 8/1 and 10/1 against.

I'll look for figures on the Boks-Pumas.

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Australia A made a very strong comeback


As with all Australian teams you have to play them solidly for 80 minutes or they will come back at you like that

Of course A team fixtures mean very little in Australia anyway because they use partisan refs. Actually A fixtures in general mean very little as far as I am concerned - on a par with U-21 in fact.

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We all stand up for our teams. Havak more than anyone!


I'm generally outnumbered so I have to fight my corner with gusto.

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our pack isn't our strong point


It hasn't been for a long time, but who are world champions again? Make no mistake I rate the French forwards as far better then the Wallabies pack - but it never ceases to amaze me how you overcome such things.

My heart says France, and my head says Aus. Same with SA - I picked the Pumas because I want them to win. I don't seriously think they will - SA is a hard place to play - even your big boys of the SH find that.

Oh yeah remind me - what team was it in Dec 98 that beat the Boks and stopped them stealing the ABs record for consecutive wins (they were shooting for their 18th straight victory)?

Fighting my corner strong as ever?

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There is no doubt in my mind : France will win this second test match. It will be hard, but we will make it. Our team can't come back without a victory.

As we say in France : "Hope makes you live" ("l'espoir fait vivre")...

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Allons enfants de la patrie,Le jour de gloire est arrivé

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"Allons enfants..."

Thanks Havak,

I thought it so loud you heard it, actually I did not dared saying it myself...

"God saves the queen..."

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Between us we will really have made Finbars day now.

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Mon Dieu! Beaucoup de francais!

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Of course A team fixtures mean very little in Australia anyway because they use partisan refs. Actually A fixtures in general mean very little as far as I am concerned - on a par with U-21 in fact.


Mmm. So that's "A" matches, U-21 matches ... how long before Tests are added to the list?



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It hasn't been for a long time, but who are world champions again? Make no mistake I rate the French forwards as far better then the Wallabies pack - but it never ceases to amaze me how you overcome such things.


It's called Aussie Ingenuity. OTOH, the World Championship was a couple of years ago now. Times change. Did you note the prices the bookies have for the Tri-Nations?

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Oh yeah remind me - what team was it in Dec 98 that beat the Boks and stopped them stealing the ABs record for consecutive wins (they were shooting for their 18th straight victory)?


Well, the Tigers haven't had a run in your posts for a couple of days. Let's say the Tigers stopped the Boks?

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how long before Tests are added to the list?


November possibly

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The Leicester Joe Bugner!


In that I don't know who I am or what I'm doing most of the time?

How is old Hungarian/Brit/'Genuine Aussie bloke' Bugner these days?

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Did you note the prices the bookies have for the Tri-Nations?


NZ as red hot odds on favourites - oh yes. But they have entered almost every tri-nations as that. Without wanting to upset Caligastia unduly where the Wallabies have the knack of pulling off upsets time and time again NZ have the same knack of losing games they should have wrapped up by half time.

I almost choked when you beat them at Dunedin last year.

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Let's say the Tigers stopped the Boks?


Martin Johnson single handed as it happens.

I see Nathan Williams (former reds, latterly of Stade Francais) has signed for Quins here. At 26 I take it he has given up on any chance of wearing the green and gold?

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How is old Hungarian/Brit/'Genuine Aussie bloke' Bugner these days?


Still floating around, still making quite a good living, still parlaying a moderate talent into a sort of "celebrity" status. He does shopping centre openings, that sort of thing. His wife - the monstrous Marlene - is the brains behind the outfit. It's sort of typical of this country that they should take someone like Joe - not quite a fraud, because he was quite talented in his day, but nowadays milking it - to their hearts. God I hate this country.

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I almost choked when you beat them at Dunedin last year.


To quote Homer Simpson: "Mmmmmmmmm ... Dunedin". Wasn't it blissful?

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He was never close. Actually, Manny Edmonds - Waratahs half-back and full-back who has played for Australia - is nicking off to France. Perpignan, I think. Very very good player on his day. He's struggled with injuries, and, when he's had his chances, hasn't really taken them, unfortunately. Then, he would get a game and star. Then, he'd put in a couple of ordinary ones. He played both Australia A games against the French and starred. His future with the Waratahs looked a bit ordinary behind Duncan MacRae.

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I'm generally outnumbered so I have to fight my corner with gusto.


Outnumbered? Finbar supports the Wallabies and I support the All Blacks. The only country with more than one supporter posting here is France, and its 3-2 in favor of NH posters here...

Do I hear violins again...?

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Goodoh. And Arthur Andersen can audit the books?

I think it's a fine idea, though. Even if it's only fantasy money. We could use one of the Sports Bet organisations' figures for odds and points spreads. For example, there are 4 major Australian Sports Bet organisations. This morning, they all have Australia at 5/1 on (that's 1/5 against) to beat France. Invest one dollar, you win twenty cents (plus your dollar back). They are offering between 4/1 and 9/2 against the French winning. Which renders the French a mighty fine bet in a field of two, IMHO.

The odds for the Tri-Nations are interesting too. All 4 organisations have the ABs favourites at between 6/4 and 7/4 (that's 1 1/2 to 1 and 1 3/4 to 1) against winning. Australia are second favourites at between 2/1 and 5/2 (that's 2 1/2 to 1) against. The Boks are between 8/1 and 10/1 against.

I'll look for figures on the Boks-Pumas.


Betting with fantasy money could be fun. How much should we all start with? Can we go into negatives if we lose too much?

Do you have a link to that site that was showing odds Finbar? Ive never organised anything like this before...

Finbar is the only one to respond to this idea so far, are the rest of you interested?

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It's a bit too surreal for me to be honest - but I'll play along.

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Hope not

I didn't mean outnumbered in terms of nationality, more in terms of outloook on the game. You know, like in yours and Finbars strange assertions that SH officials are anything more than passable.

Sorry to launch a bad vibe on you there Finbar. Wish I could tell you I think here is better in that regard - can't though. best stop now given my promise to Caligastia to avoid the P word.

I caught a little of Edmonds during the Lions tour. Solid player but suspect concentration (takes his eye off the ball on occassion)? Perpignan is a fascinating choice as their strength is based around their forwards - still we beat them home and away in Europe last season (you knew I couldn't resist telling you that?)

I'd rather it was McCrae going to France because the violent little chap would learn a little humility there (the French would soon sort him out)?

Oh gawd you are going to bring him in November as cover for Larkham aren't you. I tell no word of a lie when I tell you he is generally as welcome here as Healey is down there. And don't ever think of taking him to Ireland on tour - the boys there still want a word.

It's a real shame he has this violent aspect to him as he is growing into a fairly good half back at Waratahs (and at A level?).

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Are you interested in the fantasy rugby betting idea Havak?

What about Tamerlin and LDiCesare? Are you guys interested?

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It's a bit too surreal for me to be honest - but I'll play along.


Although I didn't make it too clear that was my answer to that question.

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Although I didn't make it too clear that was my answer to that question.


Ok, thanks.

LDiCesare hasnt posted here for a while has he? I wonder what hes up to...

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Do I hear violins again...?


*Stefan Grapelli climbs out out of his grave, opens the violin case, and tunes up*

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Betting with fantasy money could be fun. How much should we all start with? Can we go into negatives if we lose too much?


First of all we have to decide which currency we're going to bet in! Oz$ or US$ or those stupid Euro things! I'm really going to miss my suitcasefuls of Lire!

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Do you have a link to that site that was showing odds Finbar? Ive never organised anything like this before...


I got those figures out of the Sydney Morning Herald. They have them every Friday, covering all the major Oz betting companies. Some of them would have websites, but you wouldn't get a site with all of them listed.

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First of all we have to decide which currency we're going to bet in! Oz$ or US$ or those stupid Euro things! I'm really going to miss my suitcasefuls of Lire!


Well seeing as we have two who are in France shall we make it euros? How much should we all start with?


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I got those figures out of the Sydney Morning Herald. They have them every Friday, covering all the major Oz betting companies. Some of them would have websites, but you wouldn't get a site with all of them listed.


Ok, well if you just post whats in the paper then thats all we need.

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It's a bit too surreal for me to be honest - but I'll play along.


Live fast, die poor, Havak!

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I didn't mean outnumbered in terms of nationality, more in terms of outloook on the game. You know, like in yours and Finbars strange assertions that SH officials are anything more than passable.


Mais non! Vous avez votre collegues francais! You outnumber us trois to deux there, aussi.

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He's capable of more than solid. He can be terrific. Great runner with the ball. But you're right, it could be his concentration that's suspect. I think he's better off at fullback - he also prefers it - rather than halfback because there's a lot less immediate pressure.

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That was a bizarre incident. He's always been aggressive, but never that much. He regrets it.

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He might or might not go. I think he should, he's a very very good player. Good ball skills, terrific at finding holes, very quick and strong. He was almost singlehandedly responsible for turning that "A" match around last Tuesday night. It depends on what plans they have for Matt Rogers, who is being gradually - too gradually, I think - introduced to playing close in. And I suspect Duncan will happily go anywhere and take whatever's coming right on the chin. As it were.

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Well seeing as we have two who are in France shall we make it euros? How much should we all start with?


Yes, but it depends on where Havak stands on Britain and Europe, doesn't it? He might prefer to chew his own arm off before he utters the word "Euro". Not that I'm remotely suggesting anything political, of course.

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No probs.

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Yes, but it depends on where Havak stands on Britain and Europe, doesn't it? He might prefer to chew his own arm off before he utters the word "Euro". Not that I'm remotely suggesting anything political, of course.




Well I wouldnt object to pounds either. Whatever we can all agree on I suppose.

Havak what do you think?

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Fantasy Rugby Betting seems a great idea and I wouldn't have had any request about the money (even some Civilization Gold would have been cool, we are on Apolyton) but unfortunately I'am on holydays for two weeks and I'am leaving for a place where I won't have any link to Internet (I know, it's awful, terrible...).

Have fun !

Havak : all my money on France saturday... I trust you !

Havak : don't be fool, don't bet on France with your own money !

 
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