21-06-2002 07:01									#241
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Here's the reference...

http://www.spacedaily.com/news/russ...eneral-01f.html

	21-06-2002 08:31									#242
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Kalliningrad should belong to Lithuania by now according to the Postdam treaty. What I dont understand why dose the baltic mean so much to the russians? I mean they are the bigest country in the world.

	21-06-2002 11:23									#243
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quote: Originally posted by bogi Kalliningrad should belong to Lithuania by now according to the Postdam treaty. What I dont understand why dose the baltic mean so much to the russians? I mean they are the bigest country in the world.

Technically speaking there was no LIthuania when the Potsdam treaty was signed.

You could argue that:

1. It should go to Russia as war bounty
2. Should go to Germany cause they ran the place for the last 600 years and that is where the modern German state arose from, pretty much.
3. It should go to Lithuania as the original inhabitants and the roots of Lithuanian culture are from the ancient Prussians that lived there - plus before Russia occupied it, Lithuanians were the most populous nationality in that area - now they're not, due to Soviet genocide and colonisation by ethnic Russians.

	21-06-2002 20:41									#244
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I thought it was supposed to be part of the Lithuanian SSR?

	21-06-2002 21:04									#245
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Saras, the modern German state is in no way linked to Prussia. On the contrary, the federal republic udnerstands herself as some kind of counter part to Prussia. It should be German anyway

	21-06-2002 21:14									#246
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"where the modern German state arose from, pretty much."

ARRGHHH!! HERESY!!!! BURN HIM!!!!

	21-06-2002 21:14									#247
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Translated into human language, ROland basically said the same as I did

	21-06-2002 21:16									#248
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Just with a touch more emotion.

	21-06-2002 21:17									#249
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Too true.

The federal republic of Germany is what Austria always wanted to be

	21-06-2002 21:19									#250
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Nope. It's the old third germany.

	21-06-2002 21:21									#251
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That was lame.

It is a counter part to Prussia that is actually successful

	21-06-2002 21:25									#252
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Why lame ?

"It is a counter part to Prussia that is actually successful"

How is that mutually exclusive ? I always liked the Triasidee.

	21-06-2002 21:27									#253
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*closes window with google*

Hmm... didn't quite do a search for the time, when was that one relevant? Seems interesting, if a bit too much in favour of the Southerners though. Who knows what would nowadays be considered Hochdeutsch

	21-06-2002 21:31									#254
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Hochdeutsch ist jedenfalls nicht plattdeutsch.

Trias was relevant during the austro-prussian dualism, so from about 1750-1866. There isn't just a territorial almost identity between the BRD 1949 and the german "third" states, but also in the constitution. The Grundgesetz has more to do with Frankfurt 1849 than with 1871 or Weimar. And Frankfurt was related to the (mostly south) german state constitutions adopted after 1814.

	21-06-2002 21:33									#255
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Yeah, Paulskirche and the like. I actually possess a wall poster with some copy of that constitution, at least an excerpt of it, about human rights. Appears pretty progressive. What is the Austrian constitution of today based on? IS it the same as in the time from 19-38?

Plattdeutsch war gar nicht der Punkt. Aber wenn BAyern und Österreicher 2/3 der Vormacht ausmachen, dürfte der Einfluss des Dialekts auf den gesamten Sprachraum gefährlich groß sein

	21-06-2002 21:37									#256
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Donn learnat's hoit a amoi gscheit red'n, es Woipatinga!

"Appears pretty progressive."

It was. Unfortunately the constitutionalists lacked a Bismarck.

"What is the Austrian constitution of today based on? IS it the same as in the time from 19-38?"

The key document is still that from 1920 (which was overthrown in 1933/34 and reinstated in1945). Lots of amendments though.

We still have the bill of rights from 1867 in it, though.

	21-06-2002 21:40									#257
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So I can assume the Austrian constitution of 1920 had important points that were missing in the Weimar one? Or does your constitution of today have the same flaws as ours had back then?

(such as lack of power partition and all)

	21-06-2002 21:41									#258
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quote: Originally posted by Roland Donn learnat's hoit a amoi gscheit red'n, es Woipatinga!

Vom Wolpertinger hab ich mal was gehört. Erschien mir wie ne Figur aus einem amerikanischen C-Horrorstreifen

	21-06-2002 21:43									#259
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Verdammte Yankees. Erst Dracula, jetzt den Woipatinga. Als nächstes Prinz Charles.

	21-06-2002 21:44									#260
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Gefolgt von einer Horrorserie über mitteleuropäische Politiker. Folge 1: Jörg im Kanzleramt. Folge 2: Edmund allein bei Jörg zu Haus

	21-06-2002 21:47									#261
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Folge 3: Angela auf Besuch.

"So I can assume the Austrian constitution of 1920 had important points that were missing in the Weimar one?"

Well the President was/is much weaker, and we had a constitutional court in 1920 already. Still in 1933/34 it didn't protect us against the Dollfuß coup.

	21-06-2002 21:49									#262
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Deutschspam!

	21-06-2002 21:49									#263
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Folge 4: Silvio Schaut Mal Rein oder Der Anfang Vom Ende der Zivilisation

Ah, so Austria was ahead of Germany in that time. Good for you, if not good enough though

	21-06-2002 21:53									#264
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"Deutschspam!"

Sagt der Ami mit dem deutschen Namen.

"Good for you, if not good enough though"

In 1934 we got a "ständische Verfassung" and the catholicism as state religion. :würrrg:

	21-06-2002 21:57									#265
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Der Sender ist nun in völkischem Besitz.

Folge 5: Warum Wir Herrschen Müssen

Deutscher Name?

	21-06-2002 21:59									#266
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Katholizismus als Staatsreligion saugt natürlich.

	21-06-2002 22:10									#267
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Here's the Siberia journal that they did last year. Sometimes the pics are screwed up, so you might have to press Ctrl-R on some of them. Lots of really good articles and amazing pics.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-sr...d/siberiadiary/

I laughed a long time when hearing about Surgut's "Five Minutes of America".

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/w...A46066-2001Sep5

Why doesn't Russia build a freeway/autobahn system? Guaranteed to raise the standard of living in the hinterlands substantially.

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	21-06-2002 22:17									#268
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Here's a funny pic...

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	21-06-2002 22:19									#269
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DanS, why do you have a German name?

	21-06-2002 22:21									#270
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Because my father had a German last name?

You know I could correct you and say that I have a Bavarian last name.