17-06-2002 23:30									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Solver Redjon, my first post has newsitem.

Do you have a link to a site though?

	17-06-2002 23:30									#32
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Oh, did it?

	17-06-2002 23:31									#33
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Redjon, no . I read it on a Latvian portal, and then found on Yahoo.

	17-06-2002 23:31									#34
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Well Solver, Dalgetti just posted, that's usually a bad omen for a thread.

	17-06-2002 23:32									#35
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Oh, I'm not that educated in OTF things . This thread, just like everything OT, gets replies so fast...

	17-06-2002 23:32									#36
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While matter transportation would be just dandy, the human transporter self-replication suicide machine wouldn't be. Then again, if someone's actually dim enough to kill himself via science, then he's willing to try it. As an added bonus, he gets replicated at the other end, so if we ignore the part where he dies, he's as fit as a fiddle!

	17-06-2002 23:32									#37
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but there is absolutely no way of knowing wether stefu's consciousness was transfered or terminated and then recreated. the new stefu will have all the same memories and will remember all the events preceding the teleportation, but in reality one consciousness could have ended and another created... then again does it make a difference?

	17-06-2002 23:33									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Caesar the Great but there is absolutely no way of knowing wether stefu's consciousness was transfered or terminated and then recreated. the new stefu will have all the same memories and will remember all the events preceding the teleportation, but in reality one consciousness could have ended and another created... then again does it make a difference?

that's my point. these guys are just so narrow-minded. get more innovative, folks!

	17-06-2002 23:33									#39
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Probably it makes no difference, but how will the original Stefu feel when killed? We'll have to get a killer for each transporter .

	17-06-2002 23:33									#40
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CtG, replace "could have" with "would have".

Let's try a thoughtplay. After someone's used the self-replication suicide machine, it's left on and produces another replica. Does that one have the original's consciousness?

	17-06-2002 23:34									#41
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hey, look , the troll is posting ! go away troll ,we don't like you here. Don't listen to him Solver. He's just trolling as always.

	17-06-2002 23:34									#42
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Stefu, it *should*. Noone created it yet, so there's no way to know, but you'll be the first to try.

	17-06-2002 23:34									#43
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it doesn't work like that, Stefu.

	17-06-2002 23:35									#44
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it doesn't work like that because as soon as you created the copy, the orignal is destroyed. and there can be no pattern saved.

	17-06-2002 23:36									#45
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How do you know, Ect?

That's the way we imagine it.

	17-06-2002 23:36									#46
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then again will it make a difference wether your memories cease 20 or 30 years earlier... we won't remember it anyway...

	17-06-2002 23:36									#47
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quote: Noone created it yet, so there's no way to know

How reassuring! For the self-replication suicide machine to not kill me, it would have to move my consciousness instead of just replicating it. How does it do that?

quote: it doesn't work like that, Stefu.

Oh? What non-lethal way does it work like?

	17-06-2002 23:36									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Solver But, at a small moment, there will be no Stefu - he's disassembled, and in a few nanoseconds, assembled again. I wouldn't like to travel with being killed 10 times a day.

That's not true. If we are using quantum communication to recreate Stefu, he must always exist. If he did not he could not be recreated.

	17-06-2002 23:37									#49
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It's the way it was presented to me in a uni lecture once.

That's how quantum transportation works, and other stuff isn't in development yet. I'm certain that laser teleportation is quantum based. A lto easier than anything else.

	17-06-2002 23:37									#50
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Well, it's still useful to transport goods, even though it may not be safe for people.

	17-06-2002 23:38									#51
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you can sort of make the same arguement for the continuation of your consciousness in time... when one moment ends and the next begins your body ceases to exist in one time and is recreated identically in a new time but your consciousness seems to have continuity anyway... so ya never know...

	17-06-2002 23:38									#52
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well CtG, that's not quite it I'm afraid

	17-06-2002 23:40									#53
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i don't see why its that much different?

	17-06-2002 23:40									#54
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Stefu : you're correct. with your body being dismantled , you ARE killed. If there is a transportation of your body, intact, you'll be alive.( as in a 'wormhole' theory ).

But I don't know much about this subject . It's KrazyHorse time.

	17-06-2002 23:40									#55
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quote: well CtG, that's not quite it I'm afraid

If you are continually replacing the atoms in your body it is.

	17-06-2002 23:42									#56
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is quantum teleportation instantanious? i think i read somewhere that it is....

because then it is no different than what i described...

	17-06-2002 23:42									#57
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guys who think teleporting means death: nonsense... even if you die when teleported, then death can't be all thatbad because you'll live again a moment later. where's the problem, I think the way Caesar put it comes pretty close.

You're usually dead after dying because your body can't function anymore. In this case, it can.

	17-06-2002 23:43									#58
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It looks like Stefu is worried about the fate of the soul when the transportation process begins. He does bring up a valid point and it should not be taken lightly.

	17-06-2002 23:45									#59
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the problem is there is absolutely no way of knowing wether stefu dies or not... the new stefu will claim that it would be ridiculous to even consider stefu died because he is right there and of course the old stefu isn't around anymore to argue otherwise...

	17-06-2002 23:46									#60
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quote: nonsense... even if you die when teleported, then death can't be all thatbad because you'll live again a moment later.

No. *I* won't. Exact replica of me will be living and walking and talking and being me. *I*, of whom I'm most concerned about, won't be.

quote: You're usually dead after dying because your body can't function anymore. In this case, it can.

It's not my body. It's the exact replica of my body, which is controlled by exact replica of my consciousness. I'll still be dead.

Also, people usually are dead because they've died. Show me a person coming back to life from death (and I mean total, complete death, not just some pansy near-death experience) and I'll be impressed.