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Sirotnikov
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<--- Yes, It's a "kitty" in a boot.
Feb 2000
time: 07:20
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
King David Hotel... they went for British soldiers but knew that civilians would be there as well. That's targetting civilians to me.
Also right after Israel was created, the masscre of Palestinian people in towns. |
erm, actually let me fill in your knowledge of the hotel:
As the bomb was entered into the basement, the Irgun held some 35 people at gunpoint in the kitchen. They were explicitly told to "take off, once we leave" as a bomb was planted.
The bomb had 30 minutes delay.
After 10 minutes, a small bomb was exploded infront of the hotel, to frighten people from getting near.
After 15 miunutes, the Irgun evacuated it's men from the hotel, and called up the Hotel itself, the French embassy, and the Palestine Post about the bomb, about to go off in 15 minutes.
People began leaving, but apparently the British though it was a hoax and tried to quell the panic.
As for the 'massacare of palestinians in towns' it's also mostly a legend, based on scarce incidents, mostly Deir Yassin.
In Deir Yassin, even Palestinian accounts, admit that there were fighters among the villagers. The death accounts admit that several of the dead were "fighters".
The Irgun wanted to evacuate the people out of the village, as it was a good post to the road leading to blocked Jerusalem.
They met armed resistance from Iraqi commandos who were present in the camp. After a battle in which several Irgun members died and dozens were injured, they rounded up the people.
One of the women, suddenly shot them. It appears that it was a man in women's disguise. Driven by panic and rage the Irgun members began shooting at him and people around it, thus killing quite a lot of innocent people.
So in a way, it was a massacare, though not intended and premeditated.
After the event, around a 100 palestinians were evacuated from the place.
The Press and Red Cross were called by Irgun members who held a press conference.
Actual massacares, for instance of a medical supply convoy, was made by the Arab armies, just days after the Dier Yassin incident.
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Sava
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GO GO GO!
Mar 2001
time: 23:20
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
They killed civilians to make political points. Irgun, Hagganah, etc. You just think Hamas and PA are killing for shits and giggles? My, and you wonder why people say you don't understand Palestinians. |
No, Hamas and PA are killing because they are psychopathic, murdering, religious zealots. The problem is, I understand the Palestinians (at least the terrorists). Because I don't live in the area, I don't know how the majority of Palestinians feel about the whole thing. I wonder how many actually want Israel smited from the planet like those Islamic Fundamentalists. In general, I don't know how the majority of the Arab world feels. If they truly want war with Israel, then I say let WW3 begin. The West will win and we can wipe fundamentalism off the face of the Earth. The peace loving Muslims who don't want any part of it can join refugee camps until the war is over, and then they can repopulate the region. I'm sure the Arab world would be split between Fundamentalists and non-Fundamentalists. A full scale war is the only solution. Terrorism is like Fascism, its going to take a world war to rid the world of it. It's not going to fall by making it go broke economically like Communism.
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Sirotnikov
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<--- Yes, It's a "kitty" in a boot.
Feb 2000
time: 07:20
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They say the same about American masscres like My Lai, but doesn't change the fact that they are abhorrant. |
Perhaps I don't know enough, but from what I seem to recall, is american troops being ordered to leave no prisoners and killing everyone.
What happenned in deir yassin is that the soldiers panicced, following an attack from a commando disguised as a woman. So they started shooting at people around him. Obviously a wrong thing to do. But not quite equatable to what I understand My Lai is. Not to menion that the Israelis didn't kill everyone, but only some 200 people.
And I have a quote from a palestinian who escaped deir yassin who said on BBC show that they were told to spread rumors about false agression and rapes done by the israelis, in hope to make arab armies respond.
Instead, he said, it just made the population flee.
So it shows that the "massacares" are mostly a product of exaggeration and propoganda.
Obviously some of the exaggeration came from the Israeli side. Often, Palestinian villages stood in the way of tactical goals, so several were promoted to flee - either by force or rumors.
But generally, it wasn't an israeli action as widespread as it is presented.
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And even if you clear the area, blowing up a bomb in an hotel IS targetting civilians.
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Nope, not if it's supposed to be empty.
And it wasn't a hotel but a headquarters of the brittish.
In any case, about Sharon's tactic.
It just shows that the intelligence reports I've been reading about a plan to reoccupy the west bank and put it under israeli-jordanian control, are true.
As a first stage, Arafat will be banished to Gaza.
Then removed, by the egyptians, who will rule gaza.
After a while, and after the ruling countries will be satisfied with their reforms and anti-terror steps, an autonomy will form. Then a state.
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panag
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MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
time: 07:20
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
If they were rational they would see their policy has totally failed. . . . that goes for both sides. |
Hi ,
At least we make telephone calls , way in advance saying when and where we shall destroy a building .
Rational , well one could argue about that for hours ,
but there is nothing rational about people who do nothing then to train and persuade others to die in the name of the holy one .
As for perspective , there is enough proof if one wants to see it , that at least the Israeli side has always been open for a dialoque .
Even when their people are murdered , every single day .
One could always speculate what would happen if the same situation would to be occuring in Europe or North-America , the world understands the respons of the United States of America when they go on a war agianst terror , but not when Israel does .
In Israel , many people who are killed are from foreign origin , Jewish or not , muslim , Greek , catholic , protestant , but this seems not to be important for some people ,....
One side killing its own people in a campaign of terror against the other , one side who cares less of what faith you have , yet they kill people in the name of their faith .
Its strange how some people "judge" others by their acts , yet they have no complete information .
Have a nice day
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Eli
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Israel
Jul 2000
time: 07:20
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Of course Israel reacted more hardly when Pals terro attacked such targets than civilian targets. |
Wrong.
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Eli
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Israel
Jul 2000
time: 07:20
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Originally posted by ZoboZeWarrior
What about when you tourism minister was murdered ?
Your boys were send out-door for a daisy-picking party ? |
Ministers and soldiers are two different categories. Grouping them together is wrong.
If the Intifada was only againts soldiers and settlers, we would've left the territories by now because of public pressure within Israel.
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