20-06-2002 03:26									#151
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Ummmm.... What were doing in a refugee camp?

	20-06-2002 03:27									#152
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Staking out the place for the IDF .

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I'm asking did you think US actions were morally wrong?

I gave you the answer you're going to get, Imran.

You don't seem to care about the morality of the suicide bombing on way or the other. You seem to agree that it is a self-defeating tactic. So why the dogged defense of it when people are critical of thier methods?

	20-06-2002 03:32									#154
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quote: Originally posted by Eli Panag : The refugee camps are the source of the entire ME conflict. The conditions there are horrendous.

hi ,

BTW , just over the border in syria , you can see it from our side , aka un neutral zone , there is a camp , 12000 people , one well , and its used for all types of human activity , ......
same in jordan , same in libanon , and the ones under un control are the worst , ...yes worser the africa , worser the india after the earth moved , ....

and one other thing , if Israel is such a bad nation , why dont they pacp up and go back , .....because they dont want to , they want to stay , and we in a way "stupid" as we are let them , border near the big fort , last month 368 people crossed , ...... asking for refugee status , ....why , just why do they come over if its such a bad place , .....

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	20-06-2002 03:34									#155
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quote: hi , BTW , just over the border in syria , you can see it from our side , aka un neutral zone , there is a camp , 12000 people , one well , and its used for all types of human activity , ...... same in jordan , same in libanon , and the ones under un control are the worst , ...yes worser the africa , worser the india after the earth moved , .... and one other thing , if Israel is such a bad nation , why dont they pacp up and go back , .....because they dont want to , they want to stay , and we in a way "stupid" as we are let them , border near the big fort , last month 368 people crossed , ...... asking for refugee status , ....why , just why do they come over if its such a bad place , ..... have a nice day

Never mind. I still want to know how did you get from Yurop to a refugee camp in the land?

	20-06-2002 03:35									#156
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quote: Originally posted by Eli Ummmm.... What were doing in a refugee camp?

hi ,

investigating crimes , .....
making a report to compensate certain people for damage done to their property , tanktracks on asphalt and such , ....

many things , ....

you shall see when you come , ......

have a nice day

	20-06-2002 03:37									#157
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quote: Originally posted by Eli quote: hi , BTW , just over the border in syria , you can see it from our side , aka un neutral zone , there is a camp , 12000 people , one well , and its used for all types of human activity , ...... same in jordan , same in libanon , and the ones under un control are the worst , ...yes worser the africa , worser the india after the earth moved , .... and one other thing , if Israel is such a bad nation , why dont they pacp up and go back , .....because they dont want to , they want to stay , and we in a way "stupid" as we are let them , border near the big fort , last month 368 people crossed , ...... asking for refugee status , ....why , just why do they come over if its such a bad place , ..... have a nice day Never mind. I still want to know how did you get from Yurop to a refugee camp in the land?

hi ,

nice little job , ..... héhéh , nope , we travel back and forward , when needed , ....

, ones in a while we get leave , .....

have a nice day

	20-06-2002 03:37									#158
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quote: Originally posted by panag hi , investigating crimes , ..... making a report to compensate certain people for damage done to their property , tanktracks on asphalt and such , .... many things , .... you shall see when you come , ...... have a nice day

So this is what the JA does today? No more aliyahs to arrange?

	20-06-2002 03:38									#159
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Dino: So you do think it is moral (your silence is illuminating). While yelling about the morality of suicide bombers. That's hypocritical.

quote: You don't seem to care about the morality of the suicide bombing on way or the other. You seem to agree that it is a self-defeating tactic. So why the dogged defense of it when people are critical of thier methods?

Because people back the methods of people that have used terrorism, and then cry about this use of it. I mean, I want to know the difference. Hell, I have nothing against Israeli terrorism against Britain. They were fighting a colonizer, fine by me. By why do people that, say, back Irgun and Hagannah's methods cry against Hamas' methods?

	20-06-2002 03:39									#160
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Staking out the place for the IDF .

hi ,

yeah , that's it , .... to see , where you where , since you say so long you are gone come , we get up on a roof to look , .....

even some other posters here where looking , ....

bye

	20-06-2002 03:41									#161
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quote: Originally posted by Eli So this is what the JA does today? No more aliyahs to arrange?

hi ,

amongst other things , .....
working for , ....... does no mean all the time , .... thank G..

BTW , think many , not as one , ....

have a nice day

	20-06-2002 03:42									#162
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	20-06-2002 03:43									#163
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hi ,

BTW , just in ,

harsina , infiltration , well attempt , opended fire , one down , the other tanzanim on the run , one belt found , several grenades , and they even left their m-16's , ....

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	20-06-2002 03:44									#164
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quote: Originally posted by Eli gdkwyrvewrvmrw%@#%#$^usfoiwvmr23423rvrwt32$#@$@#vr 2532Weverwyuwifwoefc,wopgcegwgwgbww5243%$#@wevtwt (I wonder what this will do to the little script called panag)

hi ,

, pgp works better , ...

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	20-06-2002 03:46									#165
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So you were there on miluim?

	20-06-2002 03:51									#166
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quote: Originally posted by Eli So you were there on miluim?

hi ,

, no comment would be nice , ....

infiltration ; tel from Hevron , ...

camps , well , been there done that , for many years ,
why , well , one for pesonal reason's , two , its getting one bigger , on a personal level , you start to learn , see things with your own eyes , interact in a kind of way , .... after a while you start to think like them , feel like them , become one with them , even for a short time , this really is a live experience .

have a nice day

	20-06-2002 03:53									#167
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Dino: So you do think it is moral (your silence is illuminating).

What silence? I gave you my full answer the first time you asked. Ask a specific question and you'll get a more specific question.

Strategic bombing during WWII was wrong and served no military purpose.

quote: By why do people that, say, back Irgun and Hagannah's methods cry against Hamas' methods?

I don't back the methods of Irgun.

OK, I'm starting to get an idea of your views. Now to let me get them fully pinned down, would you back CyberGnu's view that the Palestinians would be more than justified to kill every Israeli man, woman, and child if they were able to in order to achieve thier goal of "liberation"?

	20-06-2002 03:56									#168
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quote: Originally posted by panag camps , well , been there done that , for many years , why , well , one for pesonal reason's , two , its getting one bigger , on a personal level , you start to learn , see things with your own eyes , interact in a kind of way , .... after a while you start to think like them , feel like them , become one with them , even for a short time , this really is a live experience .

I had enough for today. I got an headache because of you.
Do me a favor, next time you visit those camps, ask Ahmed to teach you how to write coherently. Tell him I sent you.

	20-06-2002 03:56									#169
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MORALLY DO YOU THINK IT IS WRONG? You have evaded this question. You just said it was wrong, it could have been wrong tactically. Fine, your evading is noticed.

As for CyberGnu's position, yes. Just like I think blacks would have been justified to kill every white American to get civil rights and equality under the law denied to them under slavery and Jim Crow.

	20-06-2002 03:59									#170
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Imran, is it morally right to fight back? Even if you're wrong?

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quote: Originally posted by Eli I had enough for today. I got an headache because of you. Do me a favor, next time you visit those camps, ask Ahmed to teach you how to write coherently. Tell him I sent you.

hi ,

relax , its only 0200 , stay the night , ..... , ....

allas , have a nice night

	20-06-2002 04:01									#172
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quote: Originally posted by Eli Imran, is it morally right to fight back? Even if you're wrong?

hi ,

no , except under some circumstances of self defense , and even so , injury before kill , ...

have a nice day

	20-06-2002 04:01									#173
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui You just said it was wrong, it could have been wrong tactically.

If I had meant to say tactically, I would have said so.

BTW, define what someone who believes in subjective morality means by "morally wrong" and I'll give you an answer.

	20-06-2002 04:03									#174
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quote: Imran, is it morally right to fight back? Even if you're wrong?

Who says who is wrong?

quote: If I had meant to say tactically, I would have said so.

It was vague, therefore deceptive .

quote: BTW, define what someone who believes in subjective morality means by "morally wrong" and I'll give you an answer.

Morally wrong to you, and your beliefs.

	20-06-2002 04:20									#175
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quote: Irgun, Hagganah,

Name an incident in which Irgun or Stern Gang or Hagganah targetted civilians.

	20-06-2002 04:23									#176
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King David Hotel... they went for British soldiers but knew that civilians would be there as well. That's targetting civilians to me.

Also right after Israel was created, the masscre of Palestinian people in towns.

	20-06-2002 04:24									#177
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Who says who is wrong?

You, apparently.

You see, that's the whole problem.
People from Kahane's movement say this. That we have the right to kill every Palestinian because we are the morally right side.
The Hamas guys say the same.

And since neither of them is going to convince the other, lots of innocents will die because every side is the "right" one.

	20-06-2002 04:25									#178
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quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov quote: Irgun, Hagganah, Name an incident in which Irgun or Stern Gang or Hagganah targetted civilians.

hi ,

, hey that is unfair , that is impossible , .....

BTW , where can the rufugees vote in the middl east , its a given fact that woman can not vote as far as India , Cyprus and Greece in the other direction , ...

have a nice day

	20-06-2002 04:27									#179
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quote: Originally posted by Eli You, apparently. You see, that's the whole problem. People from Kahane's movement say this. That we have the right to kill every Palestinian because we are the morally right side. The Hamas guys say the same. And since neither of them is going to convince the other, lots of innocents will die because every side is the "right" one.

hi ,

even when Kahane's name is on the table , how many terror acts they did , 2 , .... the sick irony , his family got hit twice , ....



have a nice day

	20-06-2002 04:27									#180
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quote: You see, that's the whole problem.

Blame the concept of morality them . All morals are subjective.