23-06-2002 07:09									#91
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Well, I don't think the USA sucks...It's a good team, better than ever in fact, and had a good chance of getting a tie against Germany, if not for Kahn.

And a penalty that the referee didn't recognize, but there's no guarantee it would have been a goal...Still, another example of poor referees in this WC.

	23-06-2002 07:29									#92
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LOL!

I love it. I know those are Mexican foods. You guys crack me up!!!

I've already given my 'reasonable' answer above. The rest is just to rile up the whiners.

	23-06-2002 09:09									#93
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They will never be equal.

Yes, because from your incredible investigation, even if nuclear war devestates the rest of the world and Spain can only send a team of mutant cockroaches, the US will still lose because they can never be equal. Yup, we'll be better! Just you wait!

	23-06-2002 09:39									#94
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quote: Originally posted by Adalbertus Of course they should not, but they do. It's about the frequency and the influence of the mistakes I was talking about.

If, by "should," you refer to intent, then I agree. If, by "should," you refer to some idealistic state, then I disagree. Humans by nature is prone to commit mistakes, therefore systems must take that into account, instead of demanding the impossible.

quote: Originally posted by Adalbertus A perfect reason to try to get rid of them, as much as possible.

To get rid of what? Mistakes? Referees?

quote: Originally posted by Adalbertus As far as it is a fault only of the referees, better qualified referees.

I suppose the FIFA is as good a judge of referee qualifications as any of those backseat drivers.

quote: Originally posted by Adalbertus For the rules: Given the size of the pitch, and the distances to run, one or two more people in black wouldn't be bad.

That's worse. How do you resolve disagreements between referees? Who can blow whistles? What happens if there is a conflict in the referees' decisions?

You simply aren't making it better by adding more people.

	23-06-2002 09:42									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Jay Bee Yin26, FYI not even one Spanish Apolytoner (and believe me, we are quite a bunch) has posted a single whining line in this and the other threads.

Just from what I have seen, there have been complaints on how unfair the referees are, how they conspired to give SK an edge in all their games so far.

quote: Originally posted by Jay Bee Most of us know that our display today was pathetic (nothing new, btw). Spain did not deserve to celebrate a victory today, that's for sure. But given your attitude, it seems neither did you.

You missed the point. He was flame-baiting those who can't handle a defeat gracefully.

quote: Originally posted by Jay Bee PS. In case you are wondering, Giancarlo is as Spanish as you are Korean

He asserted that he's half Spainish and half Italian.

	23-06-2002 11:15									#96
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yin26, you bore me. Please try to be funny when trolling.

UR, if you really like to see games where the quality of the referee has a major impact on the outcome, you are welcome. For me, that's no fun.

	23-06-2002 11:39									#97
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LOL! Oh, well if I bore YOU, surely I have no reason to continue! Did you meet your team at the airport? Like a month ago? ....

	23-06-2002 12:05									#98
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My team will lose on tuesday against your team
- provided they play as they did do.

Please have a look at the small hint in my signature

	23-06-2002 22:14									#99
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Would it be churlish to point out that the expression "fair and square" is being used to describe a team who, in the latter half of the Ireland match, attempted to flatten Niall Quinn at every corner?

	23-06-2002 22:17									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Ron Jeremy Would it be churlish to point out that the expression "fair and square" is being used to describe a team who, in the latter half of the Ireland match, attempted to flatten Niall Quinn at every corner?

qiunn was give a very light penalty for that

	23-06-2002 22:27									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Fez The USA sucks. They will never be equal. They just got through by playing teams that were performing poorly. If you really want to know how good the US is, give them a game against Spain or Italy and watch them get their butts kicked.

We already are equal. We got as far as you did. We beat quality teams like Portugal and Mexico to get where we did. And we drawed in regulation the same team you did (Korea)- and yes the referees tended to favor Korea in that game too.

You can think Spain is better on paper all you want, but games aren't played on paper. And we did just as good as you did.


It should not be long before the USA is much better at soccer then Spain. Soccer is increasing in popularit here, and we have an increasing hispanic population, and they do care about soccer. Combine that with America's natural sports talent (Most Gold Medals at the Olympics), and we will become a soccer superpower, just as we are a military superpower(unlike Spain).

	24-06-2002 00:02									#102
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If refs favoured USA in 94 like they do Korea today.. USA would be '94 world cup champion for sure! (not to mention now when they play even better football)

USA!

It is easy to win when you have goals dissalowed from match to match or playing against 9 men

	24-06-2002 00:04									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi We already are equal. We got as far as you did. We beat quality teams like Portugal and Mexico to get where we did. And we drawed in regulation the same team you did (Korea)- and yes the referees tended to favor Korea in that game too.

Actually we should of beat Korea 3-0. So we are not equal to the US.

quote: You can think Spain is better on paper all you want, but games aren't played on paper. And we did just as good as you did.

YOU DIDN'T DO AS GOOD. YOU GOT YOUR BUTT KICKED BY POLAND. P-O-L-A-N-D! HAHAHAHA.

quote: It should not be long before the USA is much better at soccer then Spain.

Yeah ****ing right. My country is soccer fanatical. The US should stick to its own sports because it sucks at soccer. I mean sure they did okay against Germany and that is because Germany's playing performance was poor.

The US is no where near the quality of Spain when it comes to soccer. So eat dirt.

quote: Soccer is increasing in popularit here, and we have an increasing hispanic population, and they do care about soccer. Combine that with America's natural sports talent (Most Gold Medals at the Olympics), and we will become a soccer superpower, just as we are a military superpower(unlike Spain).

YOUR COUNTRY WILL NEVER BECOME A SOCCER SUPERPOWER. NEVER! Leave that to Europe and Latin America.

	24-06-2002 00:15									#104
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Actually we should of beat Korea 3-0. So we are not equal to the US. "

Of course, the US is better. At least when we lost we lost to a top soccer power, Germany(Which Spain is not). And were I a whiner like you are, their is plenty of refereeing that could have been complained about in the USA-Korea game.

"YOU DIDN'T DO AS GOOD. YOU GOT YOUR BUTT KICKED BY POLAND. P-O-L-A-N-D! HAHAHAHA."

Poland won their UEFA group. They really weren't that bad, they were just in a really tough group with Portugal(the 5th ranked team) and Korea(in the semifinals now). We had one off game.

"Yeah ****ing right. My country is soccer fanatical."

Yes but the USA is bigger and is better at sports, and we are getting more soccer fanatics in this country.


"YOUR COUNTRY WILL NEVER BECOME A SOCCER SUPERPOWER. NEVER! Leave that to Europe and Latin America."

Nice Bald Assertation there. You have no arguments, so you just scream out that I am wrong. The fact is Euro-Latino dominance will come to an end- Asia has already gotten much stronger, and CONCACAF is getting stronger too. The USA is already one of Soccer's elite, making into the round of 8, and will soon have one of the best sides in the entire world. Spain will just decline.

	24-06-2002 00:50									#105
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It's a pity that Giancarlo will deprestige Spain and all of us who so far find the refereeing of the world cup to be a disgrace to football.

But the refereeing in too many games so far has been disgusting... making one mistake, ok. Two mistakes, don't push it... six or seven, or more... well, something should be done about it.

	24-06-2002 01:35									#106
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Awrence you are a disgrace to this forum. You cannot use illegiminate slander to try and push me away from a sport. That is not any good. I have a right to watch and comment on things that I see are illegal and corrupt.

quote: Of course, the US is better. At least when we lost we lost to a top soccer power, Germany(Which Spain is not). And were I a whiner like you are, their is plenty of refereeing that could have been complained about in the USA-Korea game.

You lost against Poland. We beat Poland. Tells you something.

quote: You have no arguments, so you just scream out that I am wrong. The fact is Euro-Latino dominance will come to an end- Asia has already gotten much stronger, and CONCACAF is getting stronger too. The USA is already one of Soccer's elite, making into the round of 8, and will soon have one of the best sides in the entire world. Spain will just decline.

You obviously don't know **** about Spain. It is apparent in your bald assertion arguments.

Spain won't decline. This has been our best year since 1950 (YES! 1950!). And just like the US we are getting better and better each year.

	24-06-2002 02:01									#108
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quote: Originally posted by yin26 LOL! I love it. I know those are Mexican foods. You guys crack me up!!!

Coming from LA it's pretty obvious that you should know those foods are Mexican. What you do not seem to know however is that they are not eaten in Spain. In other words, you made very poor jokes there.

	24-06-2002 02:05									#109
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Just from what I have seen, there have been complaints on how unfair the referees are, how they conspired to give SK an edge in all their games so far. You missed the point. He was flame-baiting those who can't handle a defeat gracefully. He asserted that he's half Spainish and half Italian.

UR, I'm afraid it is you who missed the point. Not only one but three times (one time per paragraph). Yin was aiming at the wrong target. In addition, he was doing it in a very poor style, as many posters have pointed it out.

	24-06-2002 02:34									#110
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Once again....USA doesn't suck, but I doubt they are seriously interested in becoming a soccer power, even if they might have the potential...Only time will tell if they do, not speculations thrown around in forums.

Yes, soccer's getting more popular in the USA, but still can't compete with the other sports that have decades of traditional following in the country.

You can argue that the USA might already be as good as the other 7 teams...Maybe...We'll see when FIFA updates the soccer rankings after the cup, and if the USA shows consistency in its performance from now on. Until the squads meet each other in a fair match, it's all up in the air.

	24-06-2002 03:56									#111
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Soccer was more popular in the US before WWII than it is now.

	24-06-2002 04:44									#112
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"You lost against Poland. We beat Poland. Tells you something."

You didn't beat Poland in the WC though. All that it tells you is that we had one bad game.

"Spain won't decline."

Europe as a whole will now decline. With the rise of the sport in Asia and in North America, and probably in Africa if they can rebound from this tournament, the entire WC brackets will be better, so of course the European teams would be worse comparatively. So far this year only 3 teams in the round of 8 were European and 1 team in the round of 4 was(4 teams and 2 teams if you count Turkey)- lower then usual numbers. Europe will decline in soccer just like it did militarily.

	24-06-2002 04:52									#113
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quote: Originally posted by JohnIII No, the countries that have had the biggest issues about referees are Italy, Spain, and Portgual. That is not racism, it is fact.

And Pelè, and Blatter himself...

Only a Testa di cazzo who never seen a real and decent soccer-football play can objedct to that.

	24-06-2002 05:58									#114
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"What you do not seem to know however is that they are not eaten in Spain."

Even FUNNIER!!! Of course I know that! Check your pulse...

	24-06-2002 06:47									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi Europe as a whole will now decline. With the rise of the sport in Asia and in North America, and probably in Africa if they can rebound from this tournament, the entire WC brackets will be better, so of course the European teams would be worse comparatively. So far this year only 3 teams in the round of 8 were European and 1 team in the round of 4 was(4 teams and 2 teams if you count Turkey)- lower then usual numbers. Europe will decline in soccer just like it did militarily.

Oh really?

If you look at our first two games in the World Cup we got 3-1 in favor. On the last game in the first round we got 3-2 in favor (against South Africa). Spain is much better than the US team on comparsion per se. The US was quite pathetic in the first round, only doing marginally better than Portugal because Portugal itself was having a bad day. But Spain has been improving for many years and finally had its best performance since 1950. It was sad we were cheated out by a corrupt referee system... and an investigation will be launched into the bribery and corruption the Koreans did.

South Korea = Land of Corruption worse than Argentina

	24-06-2002 07:48									#116
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Yin, you are an *******. This thread has been incontrovertible truth of it. I wanted Korea to win, but you are just being a ****.

	24-06-2002 08:58									#117
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Apolyton Rule #1: When Imran joins in against you, you have won.

Thank you!

	24-06-2002 10:30									#118
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Rules are made to be changed. The Rule of the rules.

Yin you're an idiot. You discovered a beautiful game, without understandind that this game got rules you can't touch. You've perverted football in an indecent way, and even worse you're so happy to do so you dont realize how ridicolous you're turning on by defending your way to soccer. Run away and hide.

	24-06-2002 10:40									#119
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Hmmmm.... if some people don't chill, some people will be getting restricted...

	24-06-2002 12:16									#120
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quote: Originally posted by Ming if some people don't chill

Ming...be forgiving...we're under the worst wave of heat registered in June in a century