22-06-2002 13:05									#1
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	22-06-2002 13:14									#2
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I guess the keeper had reason to miss that little shot, with his knee banged up and all. Either way, here's to Korea - even with the loss, you've done well

Spain all the way, BEBĔ!

	22-06-2002 14:27									#3
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Two legal goals disallowed against Spain.
Too many times the lineman raised the flag without a good reason.

I didn't want to say that Korea is paying referes... but I'm really starting to think it is.
I'm really worry on how this WC is going. Spain played much better than Korea, they scored the golden goal and they scored before the game ended.
Korea did probably 5-6 shoys in all the game.

I don't like the way this WC is going.

Now I have no team to cheer for (well... maybe Senegal) but I will not watch any more a match of this WC.

Saluti

	22-06-2002 14:33									#4
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LOL! Yeah...off-sides should be ignored when Spain is about to score. LOL!!!!

Oh, Pil-seung KOREA OH OH OH OH OH!

	22-06-2002 14:36									#5
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quote: Originally posted by yin26 LOL! Yeah...off-sides should be ignored when Spain is about to score. LOL!!!! Oh, Pil-seung KOREA OH OH OH OH OH!

Off Sides should be ignored when they are not offside....
but... Oh well.
This is not my business after all.
If any Spanish people felt like I did, they will protest.
I don't want to protest for a match that didn't even see my team playing.

Saluti

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And some bad calls went against Korea, too. If people can't play the game without blaming the referee, they should stop playing. Wait, that would eliminate most of Europe! LOL!

I mean, my God. Even the French know how to get on an airplane and go home without all these lame excuses.

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To all the whining Southern Europeans who seem to think they have an inalienable right to be in the final: you don't. Even if decisioons go against you, you should carry on regardless. Arsenal did so against Liverpool in December and that helped them to win the Double. Brazil did it against England.

The Korean players are not cheating, or at least not more than your own players, and the Korean players are (this is important) the ones who score the goals.

Sure, don't watch the World Cup anymore. I'm sure that FIFA will be so disappointed that bitter losers aren't watching.

I have no team to cheer for, really, so I'm looking for more exciting matches .

	22-06-2002 14:46									#8
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Yin, it seems to be mainly Southern Europeans: Italians, Portuguese, and Spaniards. I didn't see the Irish, the Poles, the Swedes, the Danes, the English, the French, the Russians, the Slovenians, the Belgians, or the Croatians complaining about the referees as much.

	22-06-2002 14:48									#9
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That's true. I was at the Ireland game. They very courteously cheered the fans after losing and went home.

	22-06-2002 14:49									#10
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Yeah, but that's because the Irish fans are great.

	22-06-2002 14:51									#11
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I suspect the opportunity to play in Japan for the final will be enough incentive to win...

Go, Corea!

	22-06-2002 14:52									#12
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Yeah sure!
Now it is our fault that we protest.
2 LEGAL goals disallowed against Spain
And we can't even protest.

Ok... I'll stop protesting now... I don't want that Spanish people to be insulted because of me (Italian).
But I'm really disappointed by the referes.

Saluti

	22-06-2002 15:16									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Giovanni Wine Ok... I'll stop protesting now... I don't want that Spanish people to be insulted because of me (Italian). But I'm really disappointed by the referes. Saluti

yup it time to quit it or you will have to rename yourself Giovanni Whine--

FRom the posts I have seen you make, you seem to think that Italy and Spain are never offside

	22-06-2002 15:28									#14
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The second goal wasn't cancelled for off-side. Check my post here:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...09&pagenumber=2

Carolus

	22-06-2002 15:59									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Angelo Scotto SEVERAL DAYS AGO!!! ...What about celebrating every goal of Spain (they'll come, the only doubt is if the referee will confirm them or not)...

Now i'm going to be the next Nostradamus (ok, ok it was an easy prediction...)

quote: Originally posted by Yin26 LOL! Yeah...off-sides should be ignored when Spain is about to score. LOL!!!!

There's a thing called FIFA Laws of Game, i understand that for you it is just an annoyance but, mind you, someone here still believe it has to be applied

quote: Originally posted by Yin26 And some bad calls went against Korea, too.

Yes, Spanish stole a throw-in

quote: Originally posted by Yin26 If people can't play the game without blaming the referee, they should stop playing.

If people can't play the (World Cup, i would add) game without a professional referee, they should stop playing, i agree with you on this one.

quote: Originally posted by JohnIII the Korean players are (this is important) the ones who score the goals.

I saw spanish score two goals during regular time while Koreans never scored, anyway, if you say so...

quote: Originally posted by JohnIII Yin, it seems to be mainly Southern Europeans: Italians, Portuguese, and Spaniards. I didn't see the Irish, the Poles, the Swedes, the Danes, the English, the French, the Russians, the Slovenians, the Belgians, or the Croatians complaining about the referees as much.

And you accused me of racism in another thread! You're incredible!

Anyway it's not my business (it's seems to be a Korean one ), let's go Korea! win this World Cup! you'll de$erved it, but who will raise it to the sky? the captain or the referee?

	22-06-2002 16:23									#16
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No, the countries that have had the biggest issues about referees are Italy, Spain, and Portgual. That is not racism, it is fact.

	22-06-2002 16:38									#17
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Even the FIFA never said the referees were correct in their decisions which are under discussion. They always excused it as "human errors". And given the fact that one wrongly allowed/disallowed goal can change the match completely (and far more than +/-1 in the final result), there are way too many of them. One or two over the entire chamionship is ok, but not one in every other game. With that many human errors, you'll have either to change the referees or the rules of the game.

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Holland!! Holland!!

	22-06-2002 17:20									#19
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A mistake after the Spain-Korea match in a German website:

Deutschland muss im Halbfinale gegen Deutschland ran
(Germany to face Germany in the semifinals)
How true ...

	22-06-2002 17:35									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Adalbertus Even the FIFA never said the referees were correct in their decisions which are under discussion. They always excused it as "human errors".

Do you suppose that humans should not make any mistakes?

quote: Originally posted by Adalbertus And given the fact that one wrongly allowed/disallowed goal can change the match completely (and far more than +/-1 in the final result), there are way too many of them.

Maybe, maybe not. Paraguay (or was it Uraguay?) was down by three then came back to tie. You can never predict how one of these mistakes will affect the game.

quote: Originally posted by Adalbertus One or two over the entire chamionship is ok, but not one in every other game. With that many human errors, you'll have either to change the referees or the rules of the game.

How? Most often it's not goals (dis)allowed per se, but for other things. Besides, how do you correct for a mistake? It's not like Handmelon where everybody lines up for a replay. You just can't get the same situation again.

	22-06-2002 17:54									#21
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quote: Deutschland muss im Halbfinale gegen Deutschland ran (Germany to face Germany in the semifinals) How true ...

We are not Germans, damn you!

	22-06-2002 18:08									#22
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Damn this hurts. All of my favorites are out. Argentina by bad luck, Italy by being cheated severely and Spain by more bad luck and also being cheated. We made a goal that was clear and it was disallowed.

I am very furious about this, extremely pissed off... this plot to wipe out all of the good teams. This must of been planned much earlier. Korea lost fair and square. And they allow those fools to continue to the next round? FIFA should get a royal ass-kicking.

MY COUNTRY HAS BEEN CHEATED OUT NOW. Along with ITALY! THERE WILL BE HELL TO PAY!

	22-06-2002 18:26									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger quote: Originally posted by Adalbertus Even the FIFA never said the referees were correct in their decisions which are under discussion. They always excused it as "human errors". Do you suppose that humans should not make any mistakes?

Of course they should not, but they do. It's about the frequency and the influence of the mistakes I was talking about.

quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger quote:Originally posted by Adalbertus And given the fact that one wrongly allowed/disallowed goal can change the match completely (and far more than +/-1 in the final result), there are way too many of them. Maybe, maybe not. Paraguay (or was it Uraguay?) was down by three then came back to tie. You can never predict how one of these mistakes will affect the game.

A perfect reason to try to get rid of them, as much as possible.

quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger quote: Originally posted by Adalbertus One or two over the entire chamionship is ok, but not one in every other game. With that many human errors, you'll have either to change the referees or the rules of the game. How? Most often it's not goals (dis)allowed per se, but for other things. Besides, how do you correct for a mistake? It's not like Handmelon where everybody lines up for a replay. You just can't get the same situation again.

As far as it is a fault only of the referees, better qualified referees. For the rules: Given the size of the pitch, and the distances to run, one or two more people in black wouldn't be bad.

	22-06-2002 18:29									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus We are not Germans, damn you!

Not any more
The referee will be Dutch?

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quote: MY COUNTRY HAS BEEN CHEATED OUT NOW. Along with ITALY! THERE WILL BE HELL TO PAY!

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quote: The referee will be Dutch?

No, the winning coach.

	22-06-2002 18:36									#27
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Spain should have played much better, so that it's victory didn't depend on a lamer referee....But then again, there is no question that the referee in this WC have been increasingly poor and indecent.

I say we get rid of referees all together, and handle everything by computer cameras and whatnot....

	22-06-2002 18:37									#28
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YES IT DID DEPEND ON THE REFEREE. WE WERE PLAYING GOOD.... WE MADE TWO CLEAR GOALS. Not one but TWO. Both were disallowed.

Hey, that is a good idea... set up a computer which can look it at the facts with some unbiased people to make sure the computers aren't messing up. And in American football the referees look at the replays a half dozen times... maybe that would be a good model?

And Marcus, shut up you have no right to put on that stupid face. You know this world cup has been fixed from the beginning. And I got evidence to prove it along with everybody else watching the game Spain and Italy played in.

	22-06-2002 18:40									#29
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Spain lost because they sucked up the field. Awesome display it was, too!

	22-06-2002 18:41									#30
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HELL NO! We made two goals and that is all that counts. We broke through the Korean team and made those two goals.

Korea sucks even more than Spain and didn't deserve winning.