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Athens, Hellas
Jan 2000
time: 07:19
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Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
We already are equal. We got as far as you did. We beat quality teams like Portugal and Mexico to get where we did. And we drawed in regulation the same team you did (Korea)- and yes the referees tended to favor Korea in that game too.
You can think Spain is better on paper all you want, but games aren't played on paper. And we did just as good as you did. 
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USA played well and wasn't favored at all. Perhaps they don't have the stars Europe has but as a team were pretty good.
Now regarding Spain and Portugal you may consider the fact that they had a rough year.
Players from both teams played in two of the toughest champions in the world, the Spanish and the Champion's League.
You must have noticed the poor performance of players like Raul or Figo.
Spain scored twice against Korea but her goals where canceled. Some people say that if Spain was that good should had won anyway. What did you expected? Scoring 8 goals like Germany did to Saudi Arabia?  
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Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
It should not be long before the USA is much better at soccer then Spain. Soccer is increasing in popularit here, and we have an increasing hispanic population, and they do care about soccer. Combine that with America's natural sports talent (Most Gold Medals at the Olympics), and we will become a soccer superpower, just as we are a military superpower(unlike Spain). |
Yeah sure
I think you're exaggerating a bit...
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Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
Yes but the USA is bigger
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 So? Does this mean that China and India will have the best teams in the world soon?
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Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
All that it tells you is that we had one bad game.
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So had Spain...
Or better say bad referee 
Does the fact that Spain was the only team along with Brazil that won all matches during the 1st stage of the World Cup tell you something?
In my opinion they had only one true bad play and that was against Ireland.
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Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
Europe as a whole will now decline. With the rise of the sport in Asia and in North America, and probably in Africa if they can rebound from this tournament, the entire WC brackets will be better, so of course the European teams would be worse comparatively. So far this year only 3 teams in the round of 8 were European and 1 team in the round of 4 was(4 teams and 2 teams if you count Turkey)- lower then usual numbers. Europe will decline in soccer just like it did militarily.
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Highly unlikely...
Africa might have a chance to lead but I greatly doubt that Asia and especially North America will make it.
Perhaps in 15 or 20 years from now
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Sten Sture
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SF, CA don't call it frisco... Striker!!
Mar 1999
time: 21:19
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Originally posted by Arrian
I live in CT, Yin, what do you expect? One can, however, follow a sporting event one cannot see on TV.
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Hey - I fricking watched them all, goddammit. Living in Conneticutt is no excuse. Univision, Telemundo, ESPN, ESPN2, ESNP classic, ABC... get with the program.
I might just cheer for South Korea, since the Japanese will be thrilled about having the Koreans crowned world champs in Yokohama.
I think from reading the FIFA stuff over the past several days, future tournaments will have high level professional staff, and most major leagues will professionalize their refs.
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SnowFire
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New York City, NY
Jan 1970
time: 00:19
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You know, all this complaining about the selection of referees from Third World or just generally small countries is starting to get on my nerves. Why, pray tell, is this a problem? Do they not have had to pass all the same tests that European refs have to? Have they still not refed many games that had people watching them, so if they're really incompotent people would have noticed by now?
This is the worst kind of excuse grubbing. Refs can make mistakes from any country. You want to whine that the ref was bad? Fine, whatever. But blaming the selection of refs from other countries is, frankly stupid. This whole debacle has reeked of arrogance- "how dare a team not as good as ours has beaten us? It must be the ref!" Well, if you walk into a match with the preconcieved notion that your team is better, you're signing yourself up for dissapointment. The whole point of the World Cup is to find out which teams ARE better- and apperantly the Koreans are better, like it or not.
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Q Cubed
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t3h y3ll0w p3ril
Apr 1999
time: 23:19
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prometeus--
nope, not blind. not by any legal definition, anyway. the refs aren't blind either. they're just kinda victims of perspective. i'm not apologizing for them here... i'm just saying that they're only human.
angelo scotto--
well, seems like if one says something, slightly tongue-in-cheek, where emotions are obviously running high, he gets a spear stuck up his rear.
look: what i was trying to say is that sometimes ref calls are bad--but if they can't be overturned, it's just tough. i didn't really like what happened to that korean skater guy, but see, it's nothing to get all pissy about. the ref called it, and that's just what happens sometimes.
that random events comments wasn't serious. WASN'T SERIOUS. i think refs are important--especially in hotly contested matches. now, i have to say, it's a pity that most of the refs seem to be, shall we say, substandard.
actually, the entire SMAC comparison wasn't serious.
IT WASN'T SERIOUS.
(hm... how can i make this more clear? if only html were allowed, i could set that in size 64 font, bright red, and blinking. maybe even underlined and italicized.)
and i wasn't playing smac at the time. it's just the last sid meier game i really enjoyed, and it tends to stick in memory, those things. but as for watching the game, i was watching the best i could, without cable, on reception that wasn't too good, on a spanish channel. so i will admit, i may have missed some other "goals" that were disallowed. the one i saw, though, which i don't fully agree with, is the linesman's call, the one that was "out of bounds"... which i didn't think it was.
but the fact of the matter is, ref calls, when they are not overturned, are part of the game. and it's useless to argue with them once the match's result is set in stone.
now, onto a more personal note.
don't EVER presume to know what i am thinking. i'm not thinking that you're "a bad loser". in fact, i haven't thought the italian TEAM was a bad loser. nor have i thought that the whiners were bad losers. just very irritating people who can't let go of a result that can't be changed.
if you'll look at ANY of my posts regarding the WC, you'll note that i haven't said that anybody was a bad loser. just unlucky (in the case of spain), or just irritating (in the case of italy).
just as i would not presume to know what you are thinking, do not think you know me, or my thoughts, from just a few sentences written about a matter that is beyond our control.
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look. i'm not firmly in the korean camp here, even though i am korean. i saw one goal go in, which i thought should have BEEN a goal. and yet, now i'm suddenly lumped with all the people who agree totally with the refs?
jesus h christ, now i'm remembering just why i left forums--
it's because i can't deal with people deciding that they know every single f***ing thing about me just from a few posts.
god, how i wish you could really convey a light-hearted comment accurately here.
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Zylka
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Is there a game on tonight? Anyone?
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Zylka
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Sweet thanks
(This should really f*ck my sleeping pattern up)
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Angelo Scotto
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Milan, Italy
Oct 1999
time: 05:19
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Originally posted by Q Cubed
the ref called it, and that's just what happens sometimes. |
It's about the frequence of that sometimes that we probably disagree, and that's all.
One or two gross blunders in the whole WC = Okay, it's part of the game
One or two gross blunders in each WC match = Incompetent refeering
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Originally posted by Q Cubed
(hm... how can i make this more clear? if only html were allowed, i could set that in size 64 font, bright red, and blinking. maybe even underlined and italicized.) |
You could link an animated GIF 
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Originally posted by Q Cubed
and i wasn't playing smac at the time. it's just the last sid meier game i really enjoyed, and it tends to stick in memory, those things. |
and i wasn't talking seriously, just teasing you a bit, so i think we have a draw here...
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Originally posted by Q Cubed
and it's useless to argue with them once the match's result is set in stone. |
I'm not discussing here to change result (because, as you said, it is set in stone), but i'm discussing because there's people here who seems to think that this WC referee performance is in WC standards and i strongly disagree, because, since i like soccer very much, i hate watching so many games ruined by incompetent refeering, that's all, have you read a single post of mine about replaying Korea-Italy or Korea-Spain?
Anyway, enough for this match, let's hope the next match will be a soccer one without so many refereeing errors.
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Originally posted by Q Cubed
don't EVER presume to know what i am thinking. |
Well, i'm sorry if you never though about me in those terms but, again, i don't think this modify the meaning of my post, just change it as
Does this means something? ("Yes, that you're a very irritating guy" Q Cubed is probably thinking) but even Blatter thinks that this means something because he has announced that, starting from the next WC, systems of referee selection will be changed and this could be a starting point to avoid in future the same poor show we had in this WC (Shi wrote that "World Cup 2002 was an excellent story" but probably he was drunk or this WC is the first one he ever saw)
Slightly better? 
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Originally posted by Q Cubed
it's because i can't deal with people deciding that they know every single f***ing thing about me just from a few posts. |
Well, now it seems you're the one who presume to know what i'm thinking from a few posts...
Greetings,
Angelo
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