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LaRusso is offline LaRusso
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Apolyton Rule #1: When Imran joins in against you, you have won.
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cut on candies, okay? you really sound hyper...

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Yin, you're being a prize plonker - just cos you've got Gianinny frothing means nothing, any idiot can do that...

The point is you're p1ssing everyone else off doing it...

Do you honestly think that Korea won the game fairly and squarely?

here's a LIST of the more dodgy decisions...

The words 'just plain wrong', 'awful' and 'outrageous' are used to describe the three latest goals against Korea. This is from the BBC, which should be unbiased in this event...

Now what I'm getting here is a person who thinks that it's OK to win through unfair decisions and take advantage of other's misfortunes - does it make you feel big to know that Korea's last two victories are undeserved...

BTW, I personally wanted Korea to win both those games - but I also wanted them to deserve it!

Now, I just want you to answer one simple question...

In your heart of hearts, do you honestly think that South Korea has deserved to win it's last two games when taking into account the refereeing decisions that have favoured it...?

What beats me is that you're not even Korean...

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I've already written my reasonable answer. The rest was for the ****ers here. Quite a line of them, I might add. There have been plenty of dodgy calls AGAINST Korea ... and Korea has the most number of free-kicks AGAINST them, so to say that the refs are turning a blind eye is a crock.

The Korean goalie stopped defending on those calls, so to say they would have been goals anyway is to suck too much of your own pipe. I have quite a bit of evidence, however, to say that they would NOT have gone in. What evidence?

90 minutes of the Spanish playing. Need more?

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i've read it yesterday somewhere...statisticians said that the chance of having so many goals ruled out and players sent off against you as a result of accidental ref mistakes is 'infitesimal'
i will try to post a link

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Not dodging the question are we...?

OK, let's try this then - do you agree that all three (or even one or two ) of the goals disallowed against South Korea in the last two games were legitimate goals...?

Yes or no will do...

The only thing I'm disputing is whether South Korea deserved to win in the manner that they did?

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oh cmon, do you really think you'll get a reasonable answer from him on that....

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"What you do not seem to know however is that they are not eaten in Spain."

Even FUNNIER!!! Of course I know that! Check your pulse...



Sure, man sure. So you make ignorant jokes despite knowing they're ignorant... you are making it look worse with every reply.

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This is the honest game ... what koreans claim to be honest, i mean.

Vergogna.

Verguenza.

That's a shame.

Do you need more? Got ten thousand pics about that...

Anyway, i'm going to unsuscribe from this thread.

As an old italian problem said, "non esiste peggior sordo di chi non vuol udire, peggior cieco di chi non vuol vedere, peggior muto di chi non sa che cosa dire".

Even worse then the famous three monkeys...

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Questa qui manca....

Edit: Hmmmm posted the first post after the second. Ming can you investigate about that? How weird, a technical problem.

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Jay Bee: Look up irony in the dictionary. Then again, it might be too late for you...

Point of fact: One 'denied' goal was a good call. End of story. The other call denied BOTH teams of a clean ending. Golden Goal? Maybe. Blocked shot? Possible. The goalie stopped playing.

Neither team played well enough to decide it in regular time.

Penalty kicks, the least satisfying way to decide soccer, ruled in favor of Korea.

Now THAT'S the end of the story and of my posting on this topic.

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Now THAT'S the end of the story and of my posting on this topic.


EVVAIIIII!!!!!!! Fine del merdaio...

* Prom goes to celebrate Yin departure *

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EVVAIIIII!!!!!!! Fine del merdaio...

* Prom goes to celebrate Yin departure *


don't celebrate too early. he said the same thing about civ3 and then went on to post again...

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Hey Promotheus, didn't you say that you unsuscribe from this thread ?

Maybe it's time to stop whinning.

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Jay Bee: Look up irony in the dictionary. Then again, it might be too late for you...


Ha, ha, ha. Of course, you're always right. Fact is, you seem to be unable to acknowledge even the most insignificant mistake.

There was no need at all to get so obnoxious. With that attitude of yours, the only you've achieved is to piss off many people who basically agreed with your analysis of the game. And of course, you've failed to convince anyone in the opposite field. Congrats.

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Jaybee, has my signature... Yin has completely and utterly failed to convince me.

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Fez, I second El Awrence's posts in this thread word by word. And Yin26's views are generally interesting to read.

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Jay bee, I am not trying to ruin this for anybody. But I have a right to comment on the game because it is also my right to watch it.

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for chrissake, the one thing everybody who watches football should know is that ref calls are like smac's random events! they often suck, resulting in a decision against you(r favorite team), often taking you out of the lead for a brief while.

now, the hallmark of any good smac player is that he can overcome that (god**** ****ing) random event.
a good football team should also overcome that (god**** ****ing) bad call.

so even though one of those goals was eliminated on a questionable call (the linesman's call), s***e like that happens in a sports game. they key is not to blame the winners, not to curse out the refs, but to take it in stride, train harder, and come back the next game with enough skill to handily defeat the winning team.
(or, just throw the computer out the window.)

look-- i'm happy that korea won. i also think it's a pity that spain lost. because from what i saw, spain did get 1 goal in (i thought). but sometimes calls are made, and that's how the cookie crumbles.
as for the italy game, i'm not exactly sorry for the italians, because from what i saw, the koreans were a match for them.
so in my mind, the spanish can protest, as long as they aren't rather...offensive, while the italians cannot.

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@ Q

Sigh... another blind man... what a pity...

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I've closed the other threads on this subject and directed people to continue the discussion here.

And one LAST TIME... NO PERSONAL INSULTS!

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Hmm... there have been a lot of disallowed goals in this tournament now. At first I didn't think anything of it. But now I'm starting to think that either:

1) The refs are garbage; or
2) Something sketchy is going on

The refs missed two different hand ball calls involving the US (one which should have been against the US in the 2-0 Mexico win, and one which would have been against Germany). I see no bias there, just missed calls. This doesn't prove anything. Perhaps shoddy refereeing - but even good refs can miss something like that if they don't have the angle to see it properly.

I haven't seen any of the matches, due to the fact that they are all on at ungodly hours of the morning, but it seems to me that Korea may in fact be benifitting from some official "help." I don't particularly care about the outcome, now that the US and England are both out, but I think the refs should be watched very carefully in the next match involving Korea.

-Arrian

p.s. Whining is childish and so is gloating.

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"I haven't seen any of the matches..."

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I live in CT, Yin, what do you expect? One can, however, follow a sporting event one cannot see on TV.

-Arrian

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p.s. Whining is childish and so is gloating.




Mobius:

Yin:

Trying to piss everyone off, are we? You say it is for the whiners, but all you are doing are putting more and more people against you and the Korean team. Hell, it seems a lot of people on Poly will now be backing Germany, where before they might have been not backing any team.

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Well Imran, Yin really pissed me off. But I must make it clear that I was not whining.

Spain made three goals. So the score should be 3-0. Or even 4-0 with the penalty kick that was so wrongfully denied. If that referee couldn't even give Spain that penalty kick, I like every other intelligent person can see something is wrong.

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I hope Yin breaks down in tears in that inevitable moment that Korea finally gets its ass kicked out of it its own corrupt tournament.

Have a nice day

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Fez, you don't have to be angry with Yin, it's clear that he ignores soccer rules and so the match was correct and regular for him (come on, he wrote "Germany clearly stopped a U.S. goal with their hands" ignoring the fact that this is not a foul per se! He also said the two offsides called during the extratime were correctly called, what do you expect from him? a professional match analysis )

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Quite a line of them, I might add. There have been plenty of dodgy calls AGAINST Korea

Tell us about these dodgy calls against Korea, because no one else noticed them...
And remember that there's a difference between a throw-in and an offside uncorrectly called...

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Point of fact: One 'denied' goal was a good call. End of story. The other call denied BOTH teams of a clean ending. Golden Goal? Maybe. Blocked shot? Possible. The goalie stopped playing.

Maybe it would be a great goal or not, the point is that we will never know because an incompetent linesman raised his flag.
Does FIFA has to do something to avoid this in future WCs or it's all ok for you?
And, following your way of reasoning, what about those two offsides uncorrectly called during extra-time? attackers stopped playing, so you can't say these were not goals...

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This is the first time i read something from Yin26 but i find your statement hard to believe...

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for chrissake, the one thing everybody who watches football should know is that ref calls are like smac's random events!


So, in your opinion what's the point of having a referee on the field? they could just throw a coin and the effect would be the same, is really this one your opinion about soccer refeering?

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they often suck, resulting in a decision against you(r favorite team), often taking you out of the lead for a brief while.

Maybe referees often suck, but the frequency of errors during this WC is out of any statistic of previous leagues, and all errors we're discussing here were, to say at least, gross blunders
Come on, this is a WC! not a flat owner's tournament, do you really think this is the refeering level it deserve?

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now, the hallmark of any good smac player is that he can overcome that (god**** ****ing) random event.
a good football team should also overcome that (god**** ****ing) bad call.


No, explain me, you really are comparing a soccer World Cup with a SMAC game?

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so even though one of those goals was eliminated on a questionable call (the linesman's call),

ONE!?!? QUESTIONABLE?!?!
It's clear that you were playing SMAC and so couldn't watch the game...

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as for the italy game, i'm not exactly sorry for the italians because from what i saw, the koreans were a match for them.

Now i'm definitely sure you were playing SMAC... I agree that Italy didn't play better than Korea, anyway, to quote your words, "the one thing everybody who watches football should know" is that not always the best team wins (and let me say also that Korea didn't played better than Italy, it was a boring match from a technical point of view) and Italy scored the golden-goal but it was illegally dis-allowed by an incompetend linesman who obviously didn't read Laws of Game since 1996 (and sadly he wasn't the only one during this WC)

Q Cubed and other supporters of the "Win the best" theory may continue the "bad losers, bad losers..." chorus but the truth is another one:
Italy doesn't win a world cup since aeons, Spain never won one, Portugal too, but never, in the history of recent World Cups, there were so much complainings about referees.
You may say that "errors are part of the game", maybe, but the statistical frequence of these critical errors is impressive (and one-way i would add).
Does this means something? ("Yes, that you're a bad loser" Q Cubed is probably thinking) but even Blatter thinks that this means something because he has announced that, starting from the next WC, systems of referee selection will be changed and this could be a starting point to avoid in future the same poor show we had in this WC (Shi wrote that "World Cup 2002 was an excellent story" but probably he was drunk or this WC is the first one he ever saw )

Greetings,
Angelo

 
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