28-06-2002 12:27									#451
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Thanks alot guys... I was going to go to bed, but after seeing this thread I have to go back and play somemore Neverwinter nights. *sigh* Time to make some coffee...

	28-06-2002 16:45									#452
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quote: Originally posted by Vlad Antlerkov Urban: Attacks ogre 3, rolls 19, hits, 9 damage

Is that it? I have a Flame Tongue and gaunlets of orge strength. Plus, being a ranger, I have special bonuses versus giants, IIRC. Orges are considered to be giants for this purpose.

	28-06-2002 16:50									#453
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Rand:

The ogre that you summoned them against is stone dead.

Urban:

How much damage does a flame tongue do, and what bonuses do you get from your gauntlet/class?

Blisterz:

Sorry

	28-06-2002 16:52									#454
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Don't the bees just go after the next one then?

	28-06-2002 16:52									#455
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Gauntlets of Ogre Strength set strength to 18. Or at least in Baldur's Gate they do.

	28-06-2002 17:02									#456
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Gaunlets of Orge Strength set strength to 18/00. Flame Tongue is usually +1, but it has weird bonuses. As for class, I can't recall right now.

	28-06-2002 17:04									#457
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Rand:

I think you're right... next turn, they're on ogre 3.

Urban:

I was talking about base damage (you know, like short sword: 1d6/1d8). And +8 damage is pretty respectable.

	28-06-2002 17:06									#458
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This is what I found so far.

quote: Have bonus fighting humanoid creatures of "giant" class (bugbear, ettin, giant, gnoll, goblin, hobgoblin, kobold, orge, ogre magi, orc + troll).

	28-06-2002 17:17									#459
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HAH, fear my bees you ogres. They will show you no quarter and mercilessly sting you a thousand times (if anyone makes a remark about bees dying after they've stung I ask permission to summon a fiend or something and just let it kill us all)

	28-06-2002 17:21									#460
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Here is what the Flame Tongue does:

quote: +1, +2 vs. regenerating creatures, +3 vs. cold-using, flammable, or avian creatures, +4 vs. undead; sheds light and flames on command

	28-06-2002 17:33									#461
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Urban:

That doesn't help.

What the hell, I'll assume it's based on the long-sword.

So your damage is 1d12+8 against ogres... (or 9-20).

	28-06-2002 17:35									#462
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Rangers can also fight with two weapons, one in each hand, without penalties.

IIRC.

	28-06-2002 17:37									#463
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Can't find any actual bonuses of fighting giant humanoids on the Web. We need help from somebody who actually has the PH.


Vlad,

Yeah, it's based on the long sword.

	28-06-2002 17:52									#464
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Well, it's a +4 bonus on attack against your species enemy. This can include ogres.

Actually, you need to select a species enemy before you advance to 2nd level. I'll have it as ogres. (Remember, no actual damage bonus from this, just to-hit bonus.)

And since you didn't specify your other weapon, it's a short sword, a normal short sword.

	28-06-2002 18:08									#465
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UR: Are you a dwarf or something? I don't think that Rangers get an automatic bonus against giants anymore--they have to specify the race types that they get bonuses against.

Vlad: The ranger bonus applies to a category of monsters (Giants, Aberrations, Undead, Dragons, etc.), not just a single species, IIRC.

	28-06-2002 21:10									#466
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Okay, because I was going by 1st ed rules In all likelihood they have changed it.

Does anybody have the appropiate PH? Please?

	28-06-2002 21:17									#467
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I'll stop by the bookstore today on my way home, if I remember. However, I'm pretty sure that the rule is that every five levels the Ranger gets to pick a new favored enemy (plus another one at 1st level, meaning you'd get one at 1st, 5th, 10th, 15th, and 20th levels). "Favored enemy" applies to a group of enemies, like "giants", "aberrations", "undead," etc. The ranger gets a +1/+1 bonus to att/dmg against his favored enemy. All previous favored enemies increment +1/+1 every time the ranger adds a new favored enemy. For example, a ranger could make Aberrations his 1st level favored enemy, and would receive +1/+1 to att/dmg. At 5th level the ranger could add Undead, and would then receive +1/+1 against Undead and +2/+2 against Aberrations. At 10th level the ranger could add Dragons, and would receive +1/+1 against Dragons, +2/+2 against Undead, and +3/+3 against Aberrations.

Like I said, I'll check on this on my way home if I have the time.

One note is that Humanoids have to be split into sub-categories as favored races, like "gnolls," "orcs," "goblins," etc. Rangers cannot pick their own race as a favored race, unless their kit specifically allows it or unless they're evil.

	28-06-2002 21:19									#468
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So giants no longer include orcs, etc? *sniff*

	28-06-2002 23:29									#469
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Jeeeeezus....I've never been in an adventure that talks so much...
Vlad, you simply have to post all members and their weapons attributes, etc., or we are going to take 3 pages just for someone to take a piss here, since they'll all be clamoring for +2 to hit the bowl bonuses.
Come on people..this is getting tedious...lets go with the spirit of the game, not the letter, oK?
Now....let's kick some Orc heiney and get on with this.
I nominate Loin to act as defacto leader in the event one or more of us is not online to co-ordinate our attack. That and Vlads rundown of our powers, etc, should get things moving again, I hope.

	28-06-2002 23:58									#470
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I'm in Vlad, but you'll have to tell me what level I am so that I know my feats/skills. I'll assume no magic items, and post some stats and see if you'll take them as cool. I'll also give a feat chain up to 5th level. You'll need to summarize the situation from my point of view:

Fitz
Human Fighter Lvl ??
Stats: Str 15 (+1 to 16 at 4th), Dex 11, Con 14, Int 10, Wis 7, Cha 10.
Skills: Jump/Climb (3 + lvl + 2 (3 at 4th) - AP), Knowledge (Battle Tactics) (cc) (2 + 1/2 lvl).
Feats: Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Bastard Sword), Weapon Focus (Bastard Sword), Improved Initiative, Power Attack (Fighter 2), Cleave (Character 3), Weapon Specialization (Bastard Sword) (Fighter 4).
Equipment: Masterwork Bastard Sword, MW Breastplate (+5 AC, -3 AP), MW Large Metal Shield (+2 AC, -1 AP), MW Mighty [Str 16] Composite Longbow, 20 MW Arrows. Backpack & standard gear. Silk Rope (50 ft).

Edit: If I'm first level, I'll assume non-masterwork gear, Scalemail (+4 AC, -4 AP), Shortbow, and Hemp Rope.

	29-06-2002 00:59									#471
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UR: I checked the PHB while I was at the bookstore today. You get the Ranger bonuses at 1st, 5th, etc. levels like I thought, but you only get damage bonuses, not to-hit bonuses. The damage bonuses don't apply to creatures that are immune to critical hits (like golems etc.). You also get Ambidexterity and Two-Weapon Fighting for free, so you can dual-wield with no penalties as long as you're wearing light armor.

SuperSneak: I second the motion. Less talk, more killing.

	29-06-2002 02:57									#472
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Yeah...I post a plea for simplicity and nimrod there posts his frickin' stats...doesn't anybody pay attention anymore?!?

	29-06-2002 02:58									#473
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We should probably consider putting a cap on this group as well...we've got more of a mob than a party now.

	29-06-2002 03:04									#474
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What's wrong with mobs ?

	29-06-2002 03:08									#475
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We don't need a mob. We've got me.

	29-06-2002 03:12									#476
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Yeah, but we need more mages, I think.

	29-06-2002 05:31									#477
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Okay, here's my understanding of what everyone's armed with:

(All assumed to be 5th-level)

Kass- Human Paladin-- 2H-sword +4
Imran- Elven Thief-- Two short swords (+2 and +1)
Chegitz- Human Fighter-- Long sword +2
Sandman- Human Paladin-- 2H-sword +2
Rand- Elven Druid-- Sling/rocks
Lorizael- Elven Conjurer-- not armed
Loinburger- Celestial Solar-- Dancing Vorpal Greatsword +5, composite longbow +2
Fitz- Human fighter, 2H bastard sword, composite longbow +1
Supersneak- Half-dwarf fighter/ranger-- 2H Bastard Sword +3
Patashu- Half-orc Barbarian-- Bahamut Axe +2
Urban Ranger- Human Ranger-- Flame Tongue (longsword +1, with other abilities)
August Borns- Human Bard-- Broad Sword
Felch X- Human Illusionist-- not armed
Blackice- Human Barbarian-- battle axe +1

Corrections?

And I'll get the fourth round up soon (Fitz joins in after the fight). Unless we're really unlucky with our attack rolls, those ogres are going to be dead.

	29-06-2002 05:38									#478
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Well, you were lucky.

Round 4

Kass: attacking ogre 3
Imran: attacking ogre 3
Che: attacking ogre 3
Loin: Using longbow on ogre 7
Felch: Casting Magic Missile on ogre 4
UR: attacking ogre 4
Sandman: attacking ogre 7
Patashu: attacking ogre 7
August: attacking ogre 3
Blackice: attacking ogre 4
Rand: Cure light wounds, Lorizael
SS: attacking ogre 4
Lorizael: Melf's Acid Arrow on ogre 4
Sword: attacking ogre 4
Hydra: Attacks ogre 3

Kass: 2
Imran: 6
Che: 7
Loin: 1
Felch: 2
Urban: 3
Sandman: 6
Patashu: 3
August: 1
Blackice: 5
Rand: 6
SS: 3
Lorizael: 10
Sword: 4
Hydra: 4
Bees: 8

Ogres: 1/3/6

Lorizael: 7 damage to ogre 4

Bees: 4 damage to ogre 3

Che: Attacks ogre 3, rolls 11, hits, 18 damage, ogre 3 dies

Imran: Attacks ogre 4, rolls 2/13, hits, 7 damage, ogre 4 dies
Sandman: Attacks ogre 7, rolls 12, hits, 16 damage, ogre 7 dies

All ogres slain

Exit to maze found. XP award: 166/party member

	29-06-2002 05:41									#479
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My Composite Longbow fires Arrows of Slaying. Forgot to mention that.

	29-06-2002 05:46									#480
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Wohoo! Let's get outta here! (to kick some more orcish ass, of course)