28-06-2002 14:09									#1
	We need "Advisor" threads Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

Hi all,

I've been trying to follow this interesting game for a while now. I find it difficult to find relevant information between all the threads going on in this forum.

What Apolytonia needs is a bunch of "Top" threads that reflect the different aspects of our empire. They could mirror the advisor screens of the game. Each thread should contain the latest report on the subject, for easy reference purposes. No discussion or polls should take place here - that is for other threads.

Then, whenever we want to check on the status of our Civ, we can start with those threads and quickly get up-to-date info. The threads should be filled by the respective ministers, of course. I suggest at least the following threads:

0 Current Game Report (Turn reports & map)
1 Domestic Advisor
2 Trade Advisor
3 Military Advisor
4 Foreign Advisor
5 Cultural Advisor (may not be that important)
6 Science Advisor
7 City Planner
8 Current OPEN polls
...
98 Old Turn Reports
99 Historian

Let me know what you think!

BigFurryMonster

	28-06-2002 14:31									#2
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Good idea. Single threads instead of the thread of the day, or turn.

But do they need to be sticky? It wouldn't be hard for the ministers to bump them to keep them on page 1 if they are less active.

I also think the Senate is a good catch all for many of the private citizen threads. That's what I try to do anyway. Had a couple of questions for ministers. Posted in the Senate thread. Got answers immediately.

	28-06-2002 14:31									#3
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well, there was a "organize us!" thread proposing sub-forums. this could also do the job.

but some ppl (including mods) said its easy to find the info in here, so i stopped discussing it there.

	28-06-2002 14:35									#4
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but too many topped threads in one forum will prevent non-topped thread from being read. most discussions will go down unnoticed.
this brings me back to my proposal of subforums:
it even made a yes in a poll:
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=53444

	28-06-2002 14:37									#5
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and here is the discussion-thread:
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=52629

btw:
in subforums, im strictly pro the topped threads.
for example:
in a government subforum, all the departmental threads should be topped (for the term, after the term new threads are opened and topped and the old ones untopped).
in a citizen forum, all groups and parties (for example) could be topped, as well as newspapers etc.
in the general forum all informational and important threads are topped.
and so on. see organize-us thread for more info

	28-06-2002 16:32									#6
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We should just have a subforum for government announcements, elections, and *official* polls.

	28-06-2002 16:34									#7
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thats what i try start discussing on. if we can channel the discussion to one thread where markg reads, maybe we can convince him subforums are not evil.

	28-06-2002 16:38									#8
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ONE subforum is not evil.

	28-06-2002 16:53									#9
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The problem is that you often have to poll for new things between every 2 turnchats. I am acutally annoyed that there have not been as many polls to be able to ahhve official approval of Case Pink and related strategies, many of the things we've done should have been polled on beforehand

	28-06-2002 17:00									#10
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I totally agree with Civman, the people must vote on whether to undertake case Pink and take the war to the Frenchies. It should not be something solely decided by the president and the ministers.

	28-06-2002 17:25									#11
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right. and there must be an easy way of finding the info you need for decisions, too.
what sense do polls make if the results are lost due to a maybe high post-count of other threads, and during turn-chats noone realizes a special issue has already being polled on?
the same thing is what happens to me all the time: suddenly i see a poll coming up on the forum which i did really not realize before. sometimes i manage to vote there, sometimes i just missed it.

	28-06-2002 18:34									#12
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Right. The ministers should collect the poll results concerning their department and put those in the TOP thread for overview and quick reference.

	28-06-2002 19:16									#13
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THe problem with topping them is that then 80% of the threads on the first page would be topped

	28-06-2002 19:25									#14
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i would like to propose something i remember from somewhere, but i dont know from where ;-)...

maybe a turn-thread would do the thing.

The president opens the thread and the first post would contain the link to the last turn-chat thread and a story-like description of our history (this has to be done one time and then grows automatically, see later in this post) till today.
the second post holds the next chat-date and the save-file, maybe along with the screenshots/maps.

then all departments post their instructions.

when the chat ends, the president will post a text-summary of the chat-happenings (like "war with the french!...") in a story like manner (this can then be appended to the first post history and put in the first post of the next turn thread). the log of the chat will also be posted there. the last post will be a link to the thread of the next turn-chat.

the turnchat-thread of the next turn chat coming up will be topped, the others not.

	28-06-2002 19:41									#15
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This might be a solution:

Make TWO forums: a Democracy forum (D1) and a second one (D2).

In D1: Top only a very limited number of threads. A welcome thread, a memberlist thread and a linked thread to D2. The rest of the thread is disussions, polls, etc.

In D2: put all advisor threads here (topped).

In this way, all info is easily accessible AND there's plenty of room for discussion.

BFM

	28-06-2002 20:02									#16
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I suggest anyone with half-an-inch of HTML tallent simply make a web page to post updates of each advisor.

Its more convenient than having 20 topped threads.

	28-06-2002 20:05									#17
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quote: Originally posted by disorganizer thats what i try start discussing on. if we can channel the discussion to one thread where markg reads, maybe we can convince him subforums are not evil.

I already asked him, I didn't get any reply.

	28-06-2002 20:06									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Ninot I suggest anyone with half-an-inch of HTML tallent simply make a web page to post updates of each advisor. Its more convenient than having 20 topped threads.

You know, that's about the best idea I've heard in a while.

	28-06-2002 20:08									#19
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I don't know the solution but something should be done. I don't think the game is going to get much less cluttered as some folks expected.

And for those of us who can't be here all the time or take long breaks, it's nigh impossible to get caught up.

For example, Iroquois and Americans now!?! aiyee! y'know, if only we could "capture" mounted warriors or trade for them... we might actually do some serious ass-kicking.

	28-06-2002 20:10									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Trip You know, that's about the best idea I've heard in a while.

thank ya Trip.

I would get right on it, but I have to be at work too soon. And I've forgotten most of my HTML, so it would take a while to get back into it.. up-to and including 5 minutes of thought.

	28-06-2002 21:09									#21
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Bah, slacker. See what I've come up with. I just made that too, between the time I posted "good idea" and now.

http://www.geocities.com/ssjtrip/index.htm

	28-06-2002 21:10									#22
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its good

but it needs minister reports

	28-06-2002 21:11									#23
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ACK! i just noticed the Ninney reference... why i oughta

	28-06-2002 21:25									#24
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LoL!

Hey it's not my fault my lazy cabinet can't scrape together a site, like some dedicated souls around here.

	29-06-2002 07:59									#25
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BAH! I'm gonna get off my butt and make a nice Foreign Ministry site...

or i'll just scrape together a basic white background page with basic Font and it will be hard to read, and i'll hide all sorts of evil references in it!

	29-06-2002 08:29									#26
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Updating the site now (all of my links updated as well). It will be much nicer than before. However, I have to wait for my friend to upload it for apache so it may be a bit before it works again, so be patient, it should be up tomorrow sometime.

	29-06-2002 09:02									#27
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Im going to have a quick Foreign Ministry open before the end of the night.. don't you worry!

	02-07-2002 20:57									#28
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Trip - Nice site! That is much better.

Are you inviting the cabinet to post THEIR information as well? Then we have it all.

	02-07-2002 21:11									#29
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Ask ming to contact Markg. I've noticed that ming seems to reply faster.

We'll soon have a dedicated info site, as three or four people are getting into the Civ3 Demo Game Website Contest.

	05-07-2002 01:58									#30
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Will ministers have access to such a site and be able to post reports themselves?