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Huang is drawing attention to the fact that when the Box launches its Live online service, hackers will be able to get into your system and, in 'l33t' parlance, 'mess stuff up'.


Umm, explain this, please?

And if it is what you say, when was the GC hacked, then?

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Virtua Fighter 4, Tekken 4

(DOA 3 sucked)

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And for a list of upcoming games that show a lot of promise:

Blinx
Battlefield: 1942
Enclave
Dead to Rights
Project Ego
B.C.
MechAssault
Midtown Madness 3
Splinter Cell
Panzer Dragoon Orta
Brute Force
Ninja Gaiden
Deux Ex 2
Sega GT 2002
ToeJam and Earl III
Psychonauts (Tim Shaffer of Grim Fandango fame's new game)

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Morrowind is just a great game in general.

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Umm, explain this, please?

I can safely say the author of that article didn't read the MIT Student's actual paper, since it doesn't remotely mention any such thing.

And I don't want to state the obvious, but it looks like I have to: Xbox Live hasn't even entered beta testing yet, how the hell would anyone know how to hack with it?

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And if it is what you say, when was the GC hacked, then?

GC doesn't use regular storage mediums, like DVDs or CDs, so there's absolutely no reason to hack it.

The Xbox was hacked because people want to burn DVDs and play pirated games on it, they want to install Linux on it, etc. This has absolutely nothing to do with Xbox Live. Perhaps you should read the actual MIT Student's paper instead of fanboy-written articles who obviously don't have a clue what they're talking about?

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Virtua Fighter 4, Tekken 4

(DOA 3 sucked)

DOA3 was shallow as hell, it was more of a technology demo than anything else.

No other fighters even come close to rivaling it in the graphics department.

Except for two upcoming Xbox fighters:
Tao Feng and Khakitigia something (by the same guy who made the original Mortal Kombats).

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DOA3 is good for people who suck at video games. Even they can do well. (doesn't really say much does it!)

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Halo I don't like FPS.
Morrowind one each then.
Rallisport Challenge I don't like racing games
Jet Set Radio Future I just didn't take to this
GUNVALKYRIE that's two for you
World Series Baseball don't like sports games
Project Gotham Racing Don't like racing games
Hunter: The Reckoning Don't really know much about this one
Moto GP don't like racing games
Amped: Freestyle Snowboarding don't like snowboarding games

So 2/10 games you listed were ones that I thought wewr any good. They didn't impress me (that takes a lot) but they seem to be good games. I was very careful to say that it was in my opinion, because as you can see, I am picky about games. There are no good and bad games, only opinions.

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That's so lame, Sixchan.

Considering your extremely lacking taste pallet, 2/10 seems damn good.

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No other fighters even come close to rivaling it in the graphics department.


who gives a hoot? I want good fighting, not good graphics. Tekken 4 & Virtua Fighter 4 both kick ass. The two best fighting games on the market.

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It's not lame, its called personal taste. I never said the X-Box games failed to impress, I said they failed to impress ME. If they bring out a decent platformer, I might be impressed. It's hard to rival Mario in that department, but if they pulled it off, I'd quickly change my tune.

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Asher, do you know if any Medal of Honor games are going to be developed for the XBox?

The BC and Battlefield 1942 Previews I've seen plus Morrowind make me like the XBox much more than ever before!!!

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Asher, wrt MGS2: Substance Xbox is getting it first (and best)

How do you know the X-Box is getting it best? For MGS2, Europe & Japan got neat new features missing from the US version because we got it first. I'm not saying you'll neccessarily get it worse, of course, but this is hardly a set thing.

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It is my experience that if your PC is more than 10 seconds old, GTA3 will barely run on it.


Funny, I've got a P3 1 GHz and a GeForce 2, and it runs just fine...

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For me, the problem with X-Box is that most of the games I like come out on the PC as well. Those that don't come out in better (Nintendo) form on the Cube.
PS2 is only good for GT3, and I'm NOT going to buy an obsolete console for one game.

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Ugh! I haven't liked Peter Molyneux since Black & White.

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Asher, do you know if any Medal of Honor games are going to be developed for the XBox?

A much improved version of Medal of Honor: Frontline is in the works for Xbox due out in a couple months.

EA's games tend to be multiplatform.

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How do you know the X-Box is getting it best? For MGS2, Europe & Japan got neat new features missing from the US version because we got it first. I'm not saying you'll neccessarily get it worse, of course, but this is hardly a set thing.

Because the Xbox is much more capable hardware. The extras that went in the Europe & Japanese versions are in MGS2: Substance, plus more.

They're starting to develop MGS3 right after they finish producing Substance, so I seriously doubt the team responsible for porting it to the PS2 will add anything of value, since they'll be spending all their time trying to break decent framerates and lowering texture resolution.

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Ugh! I haven't liked Peter Molyneux since Black & White.

Both BC and Project Ego are being developed by Lionhead Satellites, not Lionhead itself. Molyneaux is just the producer of BC and Project Ego.

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Hardware is pointless if the games aren't good enough to back it up. That's why I'm getting a Gamecube, and you, and X-Box (at least, I hope you are buying it for the games, and not the hardware). If it were based on Hardware, everyone and his dog would be getting an X-Box, and equally, if there weren't only opinions about games, everyone would get the one console. The fact that we have multiple consoles and that different people buy them shows that if the people like the games, they will buy that console, regardless of hardware.

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that's why the PS2 is still outselling both the GC and XBox. It's hardware is inferior, but it's games clearly aren't.

And FFX obviously made that quite clear.

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actually I agree with Jaakko

and I bought a PS2 because I was willing to buy it for a couple games (mostly RPGs) with the knowledge that most of the good Xbox ones (like Morrowind) woudl come out for PC

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In hindsight, if the N64 had used CDs, the PSOne would have failed miserably. After all, the PSX was doing really bad until FFVII came along, and they only split from the big N because they didn't feel that FF full potential could be reached in cartridges. Ah well. I'll have to buy both now.

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that's why the PS2 is still outselling both the GC and XBox. It's hardware is inferior, but it's games clearly aren't.

And FFX obviously made that quite clear.

Yep, but there's absolutely nothing from stopping quality games from coming to the Xbox, while there are clear hardware limitations on the PS2.

Which is why you'll never see games like Blinx on the PS2 or Gamecube. Mainly because it's impossible to do.

I've got a PS2 and Xbox, not just a PS2 like you, so I can play both. There are, no doubt, great games on the PS2 with mass market appeal. There are also great games on the Xbox, with way more even yet to come (as evidenced by the PS2's pathetic E3 showing, and the strong showings by both Nintendo and Microsoft).

In the words of the Infogrames CEO, the Xbox is the BMW and the PS2 is the Toyota.

Check out the monthly sales figures in the PDF report I cited earlier. The gap between PS2 and Xbox is quickly shrinking in terms of monthly units sold, and in about 1-2 years time the Xbox will most likely eclipse the PS2 in units sold. The PS2 will still have most at the end of this generation, because of this overwhelming head start, but the PS3 is in a far, far worse position. Especially since Microsoft has said they're going to launch the Xbox2 alongside the PS3.

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The problem with saying that to some older gamers like me, is that game power and game fun don't go hand in hand. I'm one of the people who believes that Sonic 1 is better than the 3D Sonic Adventure, and that the Donkey Kong that involved Jumpman is better than the others. FFV is still a favourite over the newer ones. To me, fancy 3D that shows of a console's power doesn't impress me. I still play Super Mario Bros. and I'd have that over any 3D mario game today.

It is Gameplay, not graphics, nor the latest 3D engine, or whatever. Console power pales in importance to the ever essensial need for innovative and fun games.

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I've still got an Atari, so the "older gamers" idea I still get.

I too believe in gameplay over graphics, but awesome graphics still help out, especially when dealing with 3D worlds.

When a console hits mainstream, that doesn't guarantee innovative and fun games. Rather, it guarantees repeats of the tried & true games and constant sequels (how many Final Fantasies are there? How many Grand Theft Autos? How many Metal Gear Solids?)

Microsoft knew it needed to innovate to get attention. That's why they bundled the hardware & ethernet out of the box, to innovate with game console hardware. Not only that, but they're spending tons of money funding lots of projects that publishers deemed too risky since they were, in fact, too innovative.

That's how BC and Project Ego came about, to name a few.

MS is spending hundreds of millions of dollars on an "Incubation Program" for publisher-less game developers. They fund the projects completely and offer to be their publisher, while giving them full creative control. That's how they got Tim Schaffer, among others, to develop for the Xbox.

That's also why E3 was full of tons of innovative games for the Xbox, while the PS2 and GC were essentially sequels of everything. A new Mario, a new Zelda, a new Wario, a new GTA, a new GTA clone, etc.

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Well, all credit to the X-Box, BC sounds really good. Let's hope it lives up to the hype it'll get. Of course, if you want a machine that will deliver you the most high powered games, with powerful hardware, an internet connection, and some of the best third party developers in the world, nothing beats...a PC.

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I reccemend either Gamecube or PS2. PS2 already has one of the greatest libraries in gaming history and Gamecube is seen as having the greatest e3 lineup of the three major systems and has a lot of potential.

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I don't reccemend that anyone get a X-BOX, because, as has been previously stated, most exciting games for it will inevitably come out for PC. Also, the system is in dire straits in Japan and Europe and faces an uncertain future.

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I don't reccemend that anyone get a X-BOX, because, as has been previously stated, most exciting games for it will inevitably come out for PC. Also, the system is in dire straits in Japan and Europe and faces an uncertain future.

Japan doesn't look so good for either the Gamecube or Xbox, which is why I said anyone interested in those "Japanese" style games is best off with a PS2.

And I really disagree with your PC comment, if you look at the Xbox Hits lineup you'll find a surprisingly very little amount of the hits come to the PC. In fact Microsoft is preventing a bunch of the titles from being released on the PC because of attitudes like yours, including Halo, Project Gotham, Amped, Gunvalkyrie, JSRF, etc.

I mean, look at the PS2, it's in the same situation. GTA3, MGS2, etc all come to the PC too. The only reason Nintendo's first party games don't come to the PC is because they want people to buy their console, and only that reason...

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And I personally think the Nintendo E3 lineup was grossly overrated.

Zelda is basically the next installment of the franchise, and from all the previews I've read there's nothing added to gameplay. All they've done is cell-shaded it, which I also think was a bad move.

Mario Sunshine looks exactly like Mario 64, graphically and gameplay wise, except he's got a waterpack this time and the only environment is a tropical island, rather than Mario 64's diverse landscape.

Metroid Prime has ~7 hours of gameplay according to IGN who interviewed developers and played the game, has no multiplayer mode, and has very limited environments (at least compared to games like Halo)

Wario World looks like a tedious puzzle-solver.

I haven't seen anything new and interesting out of the Nintendo camp at E3. And the fact that they recently canceled Spaceworld for this year tells me that they did indeed pull out all the stops at E3 and have nothing else to show for a year or so.

The GC is the least appealing console right now as far as I'm concerned, as long as you're not very big on the old Nintendo franchises.

It's also got the worst amount of third party support out of all of the consoles.

 
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