05-07-2002 08:41									#1
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quote: In Afghanistan, their record is beyond question. The killing on Monday of some 40 guests at a wedding was not a "blunder" but the direct result of a policy of shoot and bomb first and find out later, as announced by George W Bush in the weeks following September 11.

quote: Out of sight of the television cameras "at least 3,767 civilians were killed by US bombs between October 7 and December 10...an average of 62 innocent deaths a day", according to a study carried out at the University of New Hampshire in the US. This is now estimated to have passed 5,000 civilian deaths: almost double the number killed on September 11.

quote: THE disgraced Enron Corporation, one of Bush's biggest campaign backers, conducted a feasibility study for a $2.5billion oil pipeline being built across the Caspian Sea. Top current and former American officials, including Vice President Cheney, "have all closed major deals directly and indirectly on behalf of the oil companies", says the Asia Times.

The Rogue State


What takes them so long?

	05-07-2002 08:45									#2
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they killed 62 inoccents per day.


is there a place in the world where they actually have supporters?

	05-07-2002 08:50									#3
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Yeah, they work for large US corporations

	05-07-2002 08:52									#4
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I think the mirror has supporters many places

Jon Miller

	05-07-2002 09:02									#5
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and they called me an idiot for saying El Al isnt safe...

meanwhile people discrad such mosntrocities with a nausiating flair

	05-07-2002 09:05									#6
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People actually read that newspaper? Poor British journalism at it's best.

	05-07-2002 09:06									#7
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Urban Ranger, you may as well come out and confess that you work for the Chinese Government by now.

We can figure it out ourselves.

	05-07-2002 09:07									#8
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62 innocents per day!

and people smile....

	05-07-2002 09:11									#9
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It's obvious they pulled the number out of their ass, paiktis22, Al Jazera would have been all over this.

	05-07-2002 09:26									#10
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I think there should be an in in that post

JonMiller

	05-07-2002 09:43									#11
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Why is it that people complain every time somebody dies in Afganistan. IT'S A WAR! PEOPLE DIE IN WARS! If the people didn't want to get bombed they should have moved away from the Taliban & Al Quida.

	05-07-2002 09:49									#12
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this is the reason the ICC is a mistake

JonMiller

	05-07-2002 09:49									#13
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Why is somebody always complains when someone dies in the U.S. becuase of terrorism.

OK that was stupid, but I had to do it.

	05-07-2002 10:00									#14
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Darkworld Ark: they would have moved away from thier government if it weren't for the fact that they feared them. Saying that people dying is okay because we're at war is ignorant.
Dissident: why do you listen if you don't want to hear?

	05-07-2002 10:36									#15
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people dying is OK because it wasn't us

Jon Miller
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	05-07-2002 10:46									#16
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"62 innocents per day!

and people smile.... "

This is complete crap. Only around 900 civilian died during the bombing. This hasnt been fully confirmed, but what has been fully confirmed is the Taliban grossly inflated civilian losses to gain sympathy from juvenile western crackwhores.

I suppose a perfect expample of this. I thought we killed 400 people at the wedding party? What now? Only 40? Sounds like somebody cant count.

	05-07-2002 11:11									#17
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Considering you are the aggressors, noone can take your word seriously.

In Yugoslavia you bombed a bus full of people because you thought it was a... tank

In Yugoslavia you bombed more hospitals than tanks

Also, in Afganistan the sources are not the Taliban but independent agencies.


Lastly the deathtoll of the wedding which you also bombed had started from 20 people. Now I see it was 40. There was never any talk about 400.

Bare in mind that you shot that wedding because you thought that they were firing at you.

People were just firing guns to celebrate.

I doubt that was a threat.

All in all I think you have a lot to answer for.

P.S. And let's not forget the pharmacy factory bombed...

It may seem too far away from you to care, just as Osama and WTC seem to far away and unimportant too or by some Europeans even justified, but there are people who are close to it.

(some too close)

I think you that since you can't let go of your aggresive ways, the next best thing is to express your outmost condolences (which noone will buy since you keep being aggresive), contact a full investigation and deal with your incompetent people and offer hefty recompensation to the families of those you killed as well as guarantee them their presence in the court of law where you will trial the americans which were responsible for this massacre.

	05-07-2002 11:13									#18
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quote: Why is it that people complain every time somebody dies in Afganistan. IT'S A WAR! PEOPLE DIE IN WARS! If the people didn't want to get bombed they should have moved away from the Taliban & Al Quida

If people in New York didn't want to die they should have moved.

	05-07-2002 11:18									#19
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ignore Darkworld Ark. he should be hit by a bus and then told he shouldn't have been standing there.

	05-07-2002 11:38									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger What takes them so long?

They have to be sure that all of their source material (like that crap from the leftist crank at the University of New Hampshire which was destroyed on Apolyton months ago) has been completely discredited before they take a stand. They have a reputation to maintain you know. Apparantly so do you.

	05-07-2002 12:05									#21
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It's funny when people argue about the numbers seriously. Of course taliban and it's supporters move the numbers way up, and US naturally tries to hush hush and move them down. What the real number is, well.. hard to tell. And if someone else is saying different, go look in the mirror . It's war. Plain and simple. It starts with lies and continues with lies, everytime, it's war.

I've been changing my mind a bit since it all started. I thought first that it is not justified to attack a country because of a terrorist attack. I thought it was not cool to blame other goverments when the own base is not so clear either.. still i think it's not cool.
But i would of done the same thing if i was in control. Attack. So i can't Really blame them for doing it.
If you talk the talk, you have to walk the walk.

I also think that the war is far from over. it's going guerilla kind of warfare in time, there's no fastfood wars, if you actually stick around and don't claim victory fast and leave soon after.
How many civilians thought of going to the talibans side to fight americans because of the wedding thing? Few more accidents and their minds change. This looks almost a copy from the war with afghanistan and soviets, though i won't believe the results will be the same.

	05-07-2002 12:15									#22
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I think the Europeans make good arguments.

Makes me ashamed to be an American.

But what else can we do? Let them bomb us, call them bad boys, and let them go on with their ways?

	05-07-2002 12:21									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I think the Europeans make good arguments. Makes me ashamed to be an American.

We're ashamed of you too Diss.

	05-07-2002 12:23									#24
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killing people isn't right no matter what the cause

but we have to do what we have to do

	05-07-2002 12:24									#25
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and I'm freakin' serious here well kinda

innocent civilians are dead!! yet no one in america seems to care.

How about a public apology towards the dead families?

	05-07-2002 12:29									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident and I'm freakin' serious here well kinda innocent civilians are dead!! yet no one in america seems to care. How about a public apology towards the dead families?

Well so far I've seen Bush, Cheney, Powell and Rumsfeld express regret and so forth. Seeing how we don't really know all of the facts yet what more do you expect. Honestly I think it's better to hold off on the apologies since the longer we wait on these wild Afghan casualty claims, the smaller they tend to get. It's important to not be blamed for more than we have actually done, and if we had taken the claims at face value we would have admitted that a B-52 took out a couple of villages killing 200 people when that is not at all what happened, and there would have been very little attention paid to any adjustment of the figures and circumstances later.

	05-07-2002 12:30									#27
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regret does not = I'm sorry

for that matter I'm still waiting for Bill Clinton to apologize

Clinton use the word regret. kinda weak

	05-07-2002 12:30									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident and I'm freakin' serious here well kinda innocent civilians are dead!! yet no one in america seems to care. How about a public apology towards the dead families?

Better yet: How about a G*DD*MN apology for the 3,000 plus people who were INCINERATED on Sept. 11, 2001?

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Hey, it sure feels fun just being able to vent, huh? I mean, why live in the real world? VentWorld is so much better, so much more relaxing ... Calgon, take me to VentWorld!

Jesus H. Christ.

Gatekeeper

	05-07-2002 12:31									#29
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I'm pretty sure Afghanistan didn't bomb the U.S.

	05-07-2002 12:32									#30
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I don't know, I'm not feeling myself tonight.

I feel really guilty for some reason.

I feel guilty for being an american. I feel like sh!t and I don't know why.

must be that Jekyl and Hyde syndrome I have