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Caligastia is offline Caligastia
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Considering we are on the eve of a huge international match I thought I had better create a new rugby thread as the old one will likely fill up rather quickly. The old one is only 50-odd posts from being at the 500 post limit, so lets continue here.

Carry on rugby fans!

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Im just gonna bump this so its higher than the old one...

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LDiCesare - are you going to have a bet with us on the Wallabies -v- All Blacks match on Saturday night?

Well, I am not knowledgeable enough to have any clear-cut opinion. I don't think the Aussies can win by more than 6 points though, so I could say 10 on the ABs.

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It won't do anything for Havak's martyr complex, though.

I think he knows perfectly well that the 6 nations could be replaced by a single match of England vs. the others. Actually, I am rather surprised the celts never thought of putting a team together just to have good chances to beat the Rose XV.

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Well, I am not knowledgeable enough to have any clear-cut opinion. I don't think the Aussies can win by more than 6 points though, so I could say 10 on the ABs.


Smart man

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Jeez, Caligastia, declaring the old thread closed prior to 500 and opening a new one? I was so looking forward to being officially padlocked! Methinks you've already surpassed Ming for Moderatormeglomania!

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So if the ABs win or lose by less than 6 points I will get about 53 gold back and Andydog will get about 27 gold correct? Give or take a few decimal points of course...

If the wallabies win by more than 6 points you win 80 gold.


I haven't done the maths so I'll take your word for it. Though I notice LDiCesare has now chipped in, too. I'll post an update.

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Betting Update

Caligastia 100-40 = 60
finbar 100-20 = 80
Andydog 100-20 = 80
LDiCesares 100-10 = 90

So the pool now stands at 90 Civ Gold. These maths are now taking on Einstein-ish proportions!

I just hope to hell the Wallabies win because it's much easier to calculate my takings than your lot's takings!

BTW, where has Havak got to?

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'beautiful' game?

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'beautiful' game?


Be off, Heretic, be off!

I'm going to post a link to our other thread because it's going to sink like a stone. This should let our absent friends catch up on the utter drivel they missed between their last visit and this thread opening:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...25&pagenumber=1

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Maybe it was the abject terror - I'm off to the dentist in a second - but I think I've managed to calculate the winnings of those who have backed the ABs on Saturday night. Before you all chorus - "What sort of dill's this bloke?" - you should be aware that I dropped Maths at school ASAP.

Anyway, by my reckoning, if the pool stays the same as it is, and rounding figures up and down - if you're below .5 you go down, if you're above .5 you go up - you guys stand to win as follows:

Caligastia 51 Gold
Andydog 26 Gold
LDiCesares 13 Gold

Plese feel free to correct me. Abject terror can work in all sorts of ways.

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Late Breaking News!

1. I survived the dentist. Okay, it mightn't be important to you, but it is to me. It's not even Off Topic. I know a dentist who plays rugby.

2. Possibly of more interest to all of you - Norm Maxwell and Taine Randell are late withdrawls from the AB team due to injury.

3. Bets, once placed, cannot be withdrawn.

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Hi everyone from Argentina!!!

It´ss good to see a rugby thread here!!!!

Of course i feel anxious for the begining of the 3 Nations!!!!
I love that tournament. However, the time schedule kills me!! I have to wake up around 8:00 a.m. a Saturday morning But it´s worthy!!!

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What´s that of betting and "civ gold"? Could i participate?

See you guys!!!!

GO PUMAS GO PUMAS!!!!!!

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Hi academia! Welcome to our wonderful world of rugby. It's really great to have a Puma join us!

We've already got English, French, New Zealand and Australian posters. All we need now is a Springbok.

We've decided to start a betting competition for the coming international season. We couldn't decide which currency to bet in - pounds, dollars, francs, Euros - so we decided to keep it strictly neutral and bet in Civ Gold. And of course you're welcome to join us. It's fantasy money - no one is actually putting real money on the line. We're each starting with a bank of 100 Civ Gold.

You'll see, earlier in this thread, the bets already placed for this Saturday night's match between the Wallabies and the All Blacks. You can bet as much (or as little) as you like.

Havak - our English poster, and therefore independent of both Australia and NZ - has calculated that the Wallabies are slight favourites for the match. In fact, he has calculated that they're favourites to win by 6 points or more.

So, if you want to bet on the Wallabies, they will have to win by 6 points or more for you to win the bet. If they lose the match, or win by less than 6 points, you lose.

If you want to bet on the All Blacks, and for you to win the bet, the All Blacks have to either: (a) lose by less than 6 points; (b) draw the game; or (c) win the game.

Sounds a bit complicated but it's not really.

Would you like to bet some of your 100 Civ Gold on the match?

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Caligastia 51 Gold
Andydog 26 Gold
LDiCesares 13 Gold

Plese feel free to correct me. Abject terror can work in all sorts of ways.


That looks good to me

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Hi everyone from Argentina!!!

It´ss good to see a rugby thread here!!!!


Hi academia! Welcome!!!

Look forward to hearing your opinions.

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Jeez, Caligastia, declaring the old thread closed prior to 500 and opening a new one? I was so looking forward to being officially padlocked! Methinks you've already surpassed Ming for Moderatormeglomania!



Well if I let the old thread get to 500 it would breifly stem the flow of verbal diarrhea, and we cant have that can we!

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An answer for everything. Just like Ming. When you start overusing the smilie to buggery we'll know you've turned into Ming!

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An answer for everything. Just like Ming. When you start overusing the smilie to buggery we'll know you've turned into Ming!




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I'm starting to get worried about Havak.

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He hasnt shown up for a week or so has he?

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Ok. Understood.
So, i´m betting 10 civgold on the mighty All Blacks. They will beat Australia, as usual!!!

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Ok. Understood.
So, i´m betting 10 civgold on the mighty All Blacks. They will beat Australia, as usual!!!


I hope so. Unfortunately the All Blacks dont "usually" beat Australia these days.

Glad to see you favor my side though...

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I hope so. Unfortunately the All Blacks dont "usually" beat Australia these days.


Don´t worry, they´ll beat them this time.
BTW, your team is the most famous member of the three nations in Argentina. They have many fans here!!!

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Don´t worry, they´ll beat them this time.
BTW, your team is the most famous member of the three nations in Argentina. They have many fans here!!!


Argentinians must be very discerning people.

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Ok. Understood.
So, i´m betting 10 civgold on the mighty All Blacks. They will beat Australia, as usual!!!


Your bet has been officially recorded, academia. Yet another AB backer. Leaving me the sole Wallaby backer. Gee, if only I'd known that all I needed to create instant wealth was an internet connection.

Betting Update

Caligastia 100-40 = 60
finbar 100-20 = 80
Andydog 100-20 = 80
LDiCesares 100-10=90
academia 100-10=90

Thus the pool stands at 100 Civ Gold. Mmm. I could buy New Zealand and have enough left over to give them all elocution lessons.

More importantly, though, the potential profits now break down as follows:

If I win, obviously, I take home the 100 Civ Gold.

If I lose, you lot should divvy up as follows:

Caligastia 50
Andydog 25
LDiCesares 12.5
academia 12.5

Only 6 hours to kickoff and counting down!

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He hasnt shown up for a week or so has he?


Yep. A week. It is summer up there - as much as they ever get a summer - so he's probably on hols.

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Don´t worry, they´ll beat them this time.
BTW, your team is the most famous member of the three nations in Argentina. They have many fans here!!!


I think it's very caring of Argentinians to keep a 3rd World backwater in their minds and hearts.

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Hi,

Welcome to the newcomers.

I didn't had the time to read all the posts sent while I was on holydays, it seems that Havak and Finbar had no trouble to fill the space while Caligastia, LDiCesare and I were out.

I won't have the time to read all the posts until monday as the week-end is promising to be very busy.

About Australia-France I'am deeply regretting the fact I have not recorded the game, I would have looked at it again thoroughly to point out Mr Honiss's blunders.
I can say for sure the Australians have not been penalized for jumping over (and far beyond a reasonable distance) almost all the spontaneous scrums and have not been very penalized for entering the mauls and the spontaneous scrums by the side. The referee has not applied the rule stating the ball is changing hand when a scrum is turned. All this is not, in my own opinion, a mere problem of interpretation.

I've read a few articles in the "Midi Olympique" that have bothered me a lot. It seems that some SH officials are looking forward to change the rules of our favorite sport in order to end the fight for the ball (I mean forbidding the forwards to push and win the ball or tire the opposite forwards) in scrums. If they were to succeed a new game would be created that would be something between the XIII and the Rugby but wouldn't be the Rugby game anymore. All this in the name of money and TV rights.
I'am not subject to nightmares but it threatens to become one. Suffice it to say the FFR (the French Rugby Union), and I hope all the five european nations, will not accept it.

More on all this monday.

If it's not too late :

30 gold on Australia beating the AB by 3 to 5 points.


Sorry Caligastia but I think the AB have not yet finished their reconstruction though it is rather difficult to have a clear vision of their real strength as they have not played against a major team since a long time now (as far as I can remember).

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Please Havak, come back !

Don't leave me alone...

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I didn't had the time to read all the posts sent while I was on holydays, it seems that Havak and Finbar had no trouble to fill the space while Caligastia, LDiCesare and I were out.


Give Havak and me a blank sheet and we'll fill it! Though we haven't seen Havak for a week.

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I've read a few articles in the "Midi Olympique" that have bothered me a lot. It seems that some SH officials are looking forward to change the rules of our favorite sport in order to end the fight for the ball (I mean forbidding the forwards to push and win the ball or tire the opposite forwards) in scrums. If they were to succeed a new game would be created that would be something between the XIII and the Rugby but wouldn't be the Rugby game anymore. All this in the name of money and TV rights.


It's the first I've heard of any of this. I look forward to you giving us some more detail on Monday. All I have heard is that the IRB is thinking about restricting the number of replacements in Tests to 4. I can't see how that's going to improve the game in the slightest.

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30 gold on Australia beating the AB by 3 to 5 points.


Okay, Tamerlin, your bet has been recorded. Though we're using a margins system in our betting. Havak - our independent assessor for this match - decided that the Wallabies would start favourites by a 6 point margin. So, if you want to back the Wallabies, they have to win by 6 points or more for you to win the bet. If they win by less than 6 points, you lose the bet. For my sins, I have bet that they will win by 6 points or more.

If you want to back the All Blacks, to win your bet the ABs have to either: (a) lose by less than 6 points; (b) draw the match; or (c) win the match.

Okay? Sounds complicated but it's not really.

Now, you think the Wallabies will win by 3 to 5 points - which is obviously less than 6 - so, under our system, you are, in fact, betting that the All Blacks will lose by less than 6. So, under our system, I've recorded your bet as a bet for the All Blacks.

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Sorry Caligastia but I think the AB have not yet finished their reconstruction though it is rather difficult to have a clear vision of their real strength as they have not played against a major team since a long time now (as far as I can remember).


I'm hoping that the Wallabies' recent tough matches against the Maori and French will have been a better preparation than the AB matches against Italy, Ireland and Fiji. I also think the ABs will miss Norm Maxwell. Taine Randell, too, even though he was on the bench. He would have made an impact.

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Please Havak, come back !

Don't leave me alone...


But you've got LDiCesare! Havak doesn't even speak French!

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Betting Update

Caligastia 100-40 = 60
finbar 100-20 = 80
Andydog 100-20 = 80
LDiCesares 100-10= 90
academia 100-10= 90
Tamerlin 100-30 = 70

Thus the pool stands at 130 Civ Gold. And, as I pointed out to Tamerlin, above, because he thinks the Wallabies will win by 3 - 5 points, his bet is, under our system, a bet for the ABs. Mmm. My wallet is licking its lips.

If I win, obviously, I take home the 130 Civ Gold.

If I lose, you lot should divvy up as follows:

Caligastia 47
Andydog 24
LDiCesares 12
academia 12
Tamerlin 35

Again, I've rounded the numbers up or down. Anything above .5 went up to the next whole number, anything below .5 went down.

Unless anyone else turns up unexpectedly, the "book" is probably now closed.

A bit over 3 hours to kickoff!

 
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