13-07-2002 10:40									#31
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Great, so now Im betting 40 gold in the hope of making 7

Meanwhile Finbar puts down a mere 20 with a chance of winning an extra 110!

	13-07-2002 10:45									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin Sorry Caligastia but I think the AB have not yet finished their reconstruction though it is rather difficult to have a clear vision of their real strength as they have not played against a major team since a long time now (as far as I can remember).

We shall see. The ABs are under a lot of pressure to win this one, more pressure than the Wallabies IMO. Hopefully they will respond well to this. Also its a home crowd for the "black crusaders".

*crosses fingers*


Im staying up for this one, (3:30am kickoff for me!) so if anyone feels like commenting before or during the game I will be online.

	13-07-2002 11:31									#33
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quote: I think it's very caring of Argentinians to keep a 3rd World backwater in their minds and hearts.

Finbar you truly are a horrible Australian.

NZ is by far the more advanced country. Do any of your cities use electric buses? To be honest I laughed when Prince Harry got in trouble for asking "Do they still throw sticks at each other in Australia?"

Welcome academia, it's good to see you're a All Black fan I hope to be visiting your country in the not too distant future.

Havak! I hope my comments on your 'tipple of choice' hasn't scared you off... Bring your smelly bitter arse back here!

Anyway, I have just woken up, it is a fine English morning in London, and kick off is in an hour. It is now time to prepare.

GO THE ALL BLACKS!!!

	13-07-2002 11:33									#34
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Good to see you on Andydog, keep me company willya?

	13-07-2002 11:42									#35
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mate I'm soon off to a house full of Aussies & Kiwis. (I have just doned the mightly AB shirt)

Enjoy the game!

	13-07-2002 11:44									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Great, so now Im betting 40 gold in the hope of making 7

Whose fault is that you've got so many friends with equally appalling rugby judgement?

quote: Meanwhile Finbar puts down a mere 20 with a chance of winning an extra 110!

Blessed - and fabulously wealthy - is he who is lucky enough to: (a) be born in the country that produces the finest rugby players in the world; and (b) realise it.

	13-07-2002 11:45									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Andydog mate I'm soon off to a house full of Aussies & Kiwis. (I have just doned the mightly AB shirt) Enjoy the game!

you too bro!

	13-07-2002 11:46									#38
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Finbar has retreated to the safety of his dream world again...

	13-07-2002 11:46									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Im staying up for this one, (3:30am kickoff for me!)

finbar croons: "Rock-a-bye baby, in the treetops ... "

	13-07-2002 11:48									#40
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quote: Originally posted by finbar finbar croons: "Rock-a-bye baby, in the treetops ... "

Hopefully Ill go to sleep with a smile on my face..

	13-07-2002 11:51									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Andydog Finbar you truly are a horrible Australian.

Guilty, M'Lud!

quote: NZ is by far the more advanced country. Do any of your cities use electric buses?

We tried them and gave them the flick. Couldn't find a long enough extension cord.

quote: To be honest I laughed when Prince Harry got in trouble for asking "Do they still throw sticks at each other in Australia?"

Actually that was his grandfather, Phillip. A.k.a The Royal Stickman for his frantic pursuit of crumpet in his day, apparently.

quote: GO THE ALL BLACKS!!!

Longsighted, Andydog?

	13-07-2002 11:54									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Hopefully Ill go to sleep with a smile on my face..

Or cry yourself to sleep.

	13-07-2002 11:55									#43
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quote: Originally posted by finbar Or cry yourself to sleep.

Or cry myself to sheep...

	13-07-2002 13:20									#44
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Welcome to sunny Christchurch!

If we can hang onto the bloody ball in the second half, we'll win.

	13-07-2002 14:14									#45
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I will stay online for a few minutes, can someone tell me the score.

Finbar : how is the referee ?

	13-07-2002 14:18									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin I will stay online for a few minutes, can someone tell me the score. Finbar : how is the referee ?

Tamerlin - I'm weeping!

All Blacks 12
Wallabies 6

No tries.

Ref did a good job, generally, in terrible wet and windy conditions. Missed a few things.

The ABs played the conditions better than the Wallabies. Mehrtens was terrific, as always. His tactical kicking was outstanding. The Wallabies made way too many handling errors - a lot of them due to AB pressure, some of them due to the conditions. The Wallabies' backs - their strength in the last few games - hardly saw the ball, which spent most of the time being barged up and down the middle of the field. Not a particularly attractive game - thanks to the conditions - but still a typical Bledisloe Cup match. I'm not all that disappointed with the Wallaby effort under the conditions. The ABs were simply better on the night.

PS. Tamerlin - because you backed the ABs (under our margin system of betting), you win!

	13-07-2002 14:29									#47
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Ah !

I,ve never been very lucky with bets but I knew it would be a tight score.

I'am pleased Merthens have made a good game, this is a player I have always liked...

The return match will be tough I guess.

See you monday.

Last edited by Tamerlin on 14-07-2002 at 04:09

	13-07-2002 14:33									#48
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Rugby - The Beautiful Game: Bank Statement

After tonight's Wallabies -v- All Blacks match, the bank statement reads as follows:

Caligastia 100-40 = 60 + 47 = 107

finbar 100-20 = 80

Andydog 100-20 = 80 + 24 = 104

LDiCesares 100-10= 90 + 12 = 102

academia 100-10= 90 + 12 = 102

Tamerlin 100-30 = 70 + 35 = 105

Anyone spare a dime/penny/franc/peso for a struggling Wallaby supporter?

	13-07-2002 23:03									#49
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quote: Originally posted by finbar Tamerlin - I'm weeping! All Blacks 12 Wallabies 6 No tries.

Late in the second half the ABs had a massive overlap out wide but of course someone threw a bad pass and completely screwed it up.
I think the All Black forwards played a fantastic game, and apart from a few line breaks from the wallabies the whole team played a very aggressive defensive game. The conditions certainly seemed to suit the All Blacks more than the Wallabies, and I think if they had been different the Wallabies probably would have won. The next match will be in sydney where the weather will probably be better, so the Wallabies will definitely have the edge there.

Next week - NZ vs South Africa in Wellington. Should be a cakewalk for NZ.

As for the Bledisloe cup, I dont get these two test series. It always seems like the team to win the second game gets the cup, so doesnt that make the first game essentially meaningless?

	14-07-2002 02:44									#50
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	14-07-2002 06:19									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Late in the second half the ABs had a massive overlap out wide but of course someone threw a bad pass and completely screwed it up.

It was that sort of night for both teams. I liked John Mitchell's comment after the game (and I'm paraphrasing): "If you want a half decent game of rugby, don't play in the South Island of New Zealand at night". Of course rugby is a winter game, but a team of 15 penguins would probably have scored a couple of tries and won the game last night.

quote: I think the All Black forwards played a fantastic game, and apart from a few line breaks from the wallabies the whole team played a very aggressive defensive game. The conditions certainly seemed to suit the All Blacks more than the Wallabies, and I think if they had been different the Wallabies probably would have won. The next match will be in sydney where the weather will probably be better, so the Wallabies will definitely have the edge there.

Yeah, the ABs tight 5 were terrific. They - and Mehrtens' tactical kicking - were the difference in the end. Yet the AB lineouts were dismal - I think the Wallabies won at least 4 - and with the amount of overall possession the Wallabies had they should have done better. Trouble is, a lot of our possession was in our own half.

I expect a different result in Sydney next month. Unless Sydney turns into Antarctica

quote: Next week - NZ vs South Africa in Wellington. Should be a cakewalk for NZ.

I think next week will be a real case of margin betting. Who wants to put their hand up to calculate the margin? Someone who isn't either a Kiwi or a Bok? Well, we don't have any Boks! So someone who isn't a Kiwi.

quote: As for the Bledisloe cup, I dont get these two test series. It always seems like the team to win the second game gets the cup, so doesnt that make the first game essentially meaningless?

Well, given that a tied series means the holder retains the trophy, it's arguable - subject to results - that even a 3-match series renders first games meaningless.

Say this were a 3-match series. The ABs are now one up with 2 matches to go. If Australia wins one and the other is a draw - Australia retains the trophy. Who was it who said "Lies, damn lies and statistics."?

	14-07-2002 06:22									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Late in the second half the ABs had a massive overlap out wide but of course someone threw a bad pass and completely screwed it up.

Ooops! Nearly forgot ... late in the second half, the ABs were as lucky as buggery not to have a penalty try awarded against them.

	14-07-2002 06:28									#53
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quote: Originally posted by academia YES!!!!!! ALL BLACKS RULE!!!!!

Anyone got a fixture? When do the Wallabies next get to pound the Pumas into dust?

	14-07-2002 14:00									#54
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Goooooooooood morning people!

And what a fine morning it is thanks to the boot of Andrew Mehrtens!

It was a bit of a shitty game, frustrating to watch, but I'll quite happily settle for the result all the same.

quote: ... late in the second half, the ABs were as lucky as buggery not to have a penalty try awarded against them.

Naa - it was never certain that the try would have been scored. The ref had an absolute shocker - but that was one decision he did get right. I see Gregan has already started winging about it to the press. There's a surprise.

quote: Late in the second half the ABs had a massive overlap out wide but of course someone threw a bad pass and completely screwed it up.

That was Mark Hammett. It will be interesting to see if Mitchell keeps him in given the shoddy line outs.

It was nice to see Matt Burke stuff up a few fairly straight forward conversions.

quote: Actually that was his grandfather, Phillip.

Was it? I heard it was Harry (I thought he must have been stoned again or something). Funny all the same though. Tell me Finbar, do they have electricity in all parts of Australia yet? Thanks for your 4 gold btw.

	14-07-2002 16:38									#55
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Well it looks like you guys have finally got a saffa in the loop

Dreary game yesterday with the conditions making it bloody tough, I am suprised not more players are using the gloves especially with the ball being so slipery. Even with the wallabies training under sprinklers to get used to the wet they still struggled.

I am definitly looking forward to Saturdays game it should be a cracker. The bokke have a few exiting youngsters in, but they will be a bit suspect in defence. Being a true patriot I reckon the bokke should take it.

	14-07-2002 16:46									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Andydog It was a bit of a shitty game, frustrating to watch, but I'll quite happily settle for the result all the same.

Well, a win against the Wallabies is, after all, a novelty.

quote: It was nice to see Matt Burke stuff up a few fairly straight forward conversions.

That was nice and depressing. Everyone hates the ball - Mehrtens calls it "a dead pig", but at least he can kick the bastard. How big is Andrew Mehrtens? Anyone know? The power in his field kicking is extraordinary.

quote: Was it? I heard it was Harry (I thought he must have been stoned again or something).

Nuh. Phil the Dill. Yet again.

quote: Tell me Finbar, do they have electricity in all parts of Australia yet?

Only the civilised parts. Which pretty much rules out everywhere except my place.

quote: Thanks for your 4 gold btw.

I'm absolutely sure it will be returned with all the grace with which it was given.

	14-07-2002 17:03									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Mickeyj Well it looks like you guys have finally got a saffa in the loop

Welcome! Now we've just about got ourselves a full rugby set!

quote: Dreary game yesterday with the conditions making it bloody tough, I am suprised not more players are using the gloves especially with the ball being so slipery. Even with the wallabies training under sprinklers to get used to the wet they still struggled.

Apparently John Mitchell wouldn't let the ABs wear gloves, which is odd. A lot of those players wore them during the S12 season. OTOH, the conditions were so bad that they didn't help the Wallabies' handling all that much.

quote: I am definitly looking forward to Saturdays game it should be a cracker. The bokke have a few exiting youngsters in, but they will be a bit suspect in defence. Being a true patriot I reckon the bokke should take it.

You're playing in Wellington. Slightly further from the South Pole, but not much.

Have you read enough of this thread to have worked out we've got a betting comp going? If you're keen, you are hereby awarded an opening balance of 100 Civ Gold and you can feel free to splurge as little or as much as you choose on next week's game. We bet on margins. It's explained in one of the earlier posts.

The ABs will obviously be considered favourites next week. Sometime this week, we'll determine the margin they will have to win by before a bet on them can collect. Conversely, the Boks will have to finish closer to the ABs than that same margin for a bet on the Boks to collect.

Stay tuned.

	14-07-2002 21:34									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Mickeyj Well it looks like you guys have finally got a saffa in the loop

Awesome! You may be the first South African poster ever on Apolyton! Welcome!

Do you play civ or were you referred to the rugby thread by a friend?

quote: I am definitly looking forward to Saturdays game it should be a cracker. The bokke have a few exiting youngsters in, but they will be a bit suspect in defence. Being a true patriot I reckon the bokke should take it.

It should be a good training run for the ABs...

	15-07-2002 00:09									#59
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quote: Anyone got a fixture? When do the Wallabies next get to pound the Pumas into dust?

Yes Finbar, go on dreaming!!!!
Come on Wallabies!!!! I defy you to come to Argentina, play in a crowded stadium, the entire crowd cheering against you, and defeat THE PUMAS!!!!!

Say it aussies!!!! YOU ARE AFRAID!!!!
Your sissy players won´t support the pressure!!!!!
Don´t you remember that you´ve already lost many times against us

	15-07-2002 02:44									#60
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Welcome Mickeyj, when I found this Rugby thread I was rather surprised no South-African was posting here. With Academia it seems every SH major nation is now represented.

About the next Saturday match, I think the score will be tighter than Finbar, Caligastia and Andydog think. As far as I can remember most of the NZ-SA games in the Tri-nations have been tight ones though I must admit I don't remember last year scores.

On the other hand, the South-Africans don't play at the top level these days and their S12 teams have not been very good (am I wrong ?).

I'am really hesitating on this issue, will we see a short or a large victory of the AB (sorry Mickeyj but I don't think the Springboks will win this game) ?

I will read the articles in the "Midi-Olympique" (our weekly Rugby magazine published every monday) and hear your comments before deciding.