17-07-2002 00:47									#271
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quote: Originally posted by Aro Kman, Very good posts. If I'm not wrong, in many democracies confidential issues and the 'need to see' are in the constitution or in the code of laws (in my country, for exemple), but only if the correct judicial process runs. We will need to define this (correct judicial process), of course. It's a exceptional case and certainly, in our little and beatiful jungle country, will not happen very much, I hope so. Oh no! Will we need lawyers???? BTW, when we will restart the game?

As we speak, on another thread a Judicial branch ammendment is being developed by us citizenry. Hopefully it won't be too long before we have a court up and running, but I can say it probably won't be anytime soon enough to solve this problem.

	17-07-2002 01:08									#272
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Kman,

quote: Originally posted by Kramerman As we speak, on another thread a Judicial branch ammendment is being developed by us citizenry. Hopefully it won't be too long before we have a court up and running, but I can say it probably won't be anytime soon enough to solve this problem.

But certainly will be very usefull in next polls and games.

	17-07-2002 01:15									#273
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quote: Originally posted by Kramerman As we speak, on another thread a Judicial branch ammendment is being developed by us citizenry. Hopefully it won't be too long before we have a court up and running, but I can say it probably won't be anytime soon enough to solve this problem.

Which is why I made the emergency court proposal in my other thread. http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=55978

So don't shoot me

	17-07-2002 01:19									#274
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GodKing,

quote: Originally posted by GodKing No problem if we only have one lawyer. But if a second one comes along, then we have a problem!!!!!

Commander Uber can deal this. Just send the second lawyer to the American front... Casualties are expected.

	17-07-2002 01:19									#275
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Ah, emergancy court, that might just do the trick. I'll have to check out that thread, but, i must say, I'm getting pretty tired of all this. I think I'll retire shortly to a nice soothing game of civ...

Kman

	17-07-2002 01:20									#276
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piolitical cartoon!

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	17-07-2002 01:32									#277
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And the correct version:

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	17-07-2002 01:38									#278
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* Inverse Icarus hires the best lawyers in Apolytonia to sue for copyright enfringement

	17-07-2002 01:42									#279
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No emergencies courts, please. I voted 'no' in the thread of Mr Timeline, with all respect to him. It seems like some kind of dictatorship tribunal ( I'm pretty shure Mr. Timeline don't want this ), and I doubt this solve the problem. But the poll is almost closed, and Ninot leads by four votes, 51.49 %. THIS may put the things in the right way.
But, after all, every discussion is good for Democracy. Even this one...

	17-07-2002 01:49									#280
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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX * UberKruX hires the best lawyers in Apolytonia to sue for copyright enfringement

Those aren't bad cartoons. The Historian needs to get his butt over here and begin writing about this event. He could use these cartoons to help illustrate the emotions of Apolytonia during this ground shaking delima for the generations to come!


Kman

	17-07-2002 02:10									#281
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quote: Originally posted by Timeline Ninot BY FAR appears to be the most balanced and promising candidate here. We have had trouble with our current President making and playing all our turn chats, so a change for the better would be welcome. Also, Trip is a diehard Partymonger. I know Ninot, I talk with him all the time. He doesn't put up with party crap. He is one of the most rational and reasonable people I know, he would make an excellent leader!

Amen!!!

	17-07-2002 02:38									#282
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No more campaigning, please.

	17-07-2002 02:55									#283
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Let the election end; and any non member votes be disqualified. If there is an issue after that, let's worry about it then.

If any nonmembers have voted, delete their vote(s) from the poll.

	17-07-2002 03:11									#284
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Keep voting people, especially if you are on the citizen list. If Trip specified 5 days when he set this up, then it will run until about this time tomorrow.

	17-07-2002 03:14									#285
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Wow, I am out of town for a couple days and all hell breaks loose. Took me forever to read through all 12 pages ;P. Firstly I am against 2 presidents (unfortunately voted prematurely for approving and the more I thought about it the less I liked my vote not counting), Secondly The court idea is a must, it would help resolve alot of these issues. I hope to see a good solution soon, have not had a chance to read Timeline's court thread thats next on my agenda. I am glad that we had alot of people stick to their guns *against* the 2 presidents decision and I hope this gets resolved.

	17-07-2002 03:15									#286
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It will. Vote!

	17-07-2002 05:18									#287
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At least their is a good turnout

	17-07-2002 06:03									#288
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To avoid further chaos and confusion, I hereby officially concede defeat, and allow Ninot the full position of President. I had not anticipated such problems, and therefore, he who reaps the wind must harvest the whirlwind.

	17-07-2002 06:13									#289
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Now that this is over we can look at what is really important: a supreme court.

	17-07-2002 06:15									#290
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Next time, those who vote must also post saying who they voted for.

	17-07-2002 06:28									#291
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quote: Originally posted by Trip To avoid further chaos and confusion, I hereby officially concede defeat, and allow Ninot the full position of President. I had not anticipated such problems, and therefore, he who reaps the wind must harvest the whirlwind.

I appreciate what your trying to do, and I think its currently a valid choice, but in the long run I think it should be made impossible for the winner of an election to concede defeat resulting in the loser winning. It doesnt look like you'll win this anyways (but it could change), but I dont like the idea of a possible future scenario where someone takes office with only a small fraction of the vote because the more popular guy stepped down at the last minute. In those situations, I think it should result in a "invalid poll" (since one of the options on it was no longer an option) and a revote. In any case, its just something else to address in our election reform ammendment


Oh and if I didn't say it before Trip, I also appreciate what you and Ninot tried to do by settling this, I didn't agree with it, but I know you both had the best of intentions.

	17-07-2002 06:47									#292
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Yes, they BOTH meant well, but they just went about it the wrong way.

Hail Ninot!

Now, on to the Supreme Court issue...

	17-07-2002 07:03									#293
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quote: Originally posted by Trip To avoid further chaos and confusion, I hereby officially concede defeat, and allow Ninot the full position of President. I had not anticipated such problems, and therefore, he who reaps the wind must harvest the whirlwind.

Noble thing you've done here, Trip, and I commend you for it.
And you didn't even drag it out for three months like Gore did, so we can be even happier...
Congratulations, Ninot! Lead us to glory.

	17-07-2002 07:06									#294
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the difference is that gore had a very legitimate case and was right too

	17-07-2002 07:21									#295
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quote: Originally posted by civman2000 the difference is that gore had a very legitimate case and was right too

he lost anyway. they did an unofficial recount. he lost. end of story, stop whining.

	17-07-2002 07:41									#296
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Was that in a local, non-syndicated paper? I tend to stay on top of political cartoons from Newsweek/ Newyork Times and my local paper, and I haven't seen this one.

EDIT: What an elction America had. I mean, has there ever been two poorer candidates for the most powerful man in the world to run simultaneously? We even had crapier 3rd party candidates. Could you imagine Ralph Nater (who, btw, looks alot by Michael Richards[Cosmo Kramer]) waging the war on Terrorism. He would rathe **** a tree. No offense to any Green Party supporters ; or any party supporters for that matter out there.

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	17-07-2002 07:53									#297
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Trip, you went out with class, and our polity is stronger for it. Thanks. :b :b :b

	17-07-2002 08:09									#298
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Hey, where did all you guys get those flags next to your names? I want one!

	17-07-2002 08:17									#299
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quote: Originally posted by Kramerman Hey, where did all you guys get those flags next to your names? I want one!

Edit your profile, and select your country from the list it puts the flag for that country next to your name.


EDIT: Answered my own question, I feel blind that I didn't see the big POLL: flag for apolytonia thread below It'd still be cool if we could pick Apolytonia as our country and have it beside our names as citizens/minsters though

	17-07-2002 08:35									#300
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That would be cool. We would need to design a flag, cause I don't think we have one. Definately be interseting from a role playing point of view.