20-07-2002 01:16									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion DD, that was just blocked off, like any of your attempts

Eh?

	20-07-2002 01:16									#32
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I dont even want a union! I also wish the UK wasnt always taking orders from america.

	20-07-2002 01:18									#33
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Who ever asked the frosty Brit?

DD, I'm talking about your lame troll attempt.

	20-07-2002 01:18									#34
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quote: Originally posted by frostycreep I dont even want a union!

Quite. England should divest herself of her subjungated territories and dissolve the UK now.

	20-07-2002 01:21									#35
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quote: Originally posted by frostycreep I also wish the UK wasnt always taking orders from america.

You have to love the irony of that though.

Andz: I wasn't trolling you.

	20-07-2002 01:21									#36
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quote: Originally posted by frostycreep I dont even want a union! I also wish the UK wasnt always taking orders from america.

Is this what the UK is reduced to? Trying to decide to either take orders from a former colony or take orders from former enemies?

	20-07-2002 01:23									#37
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Thas true sprayber, we have gone that low. England is a country with a great history, but a bleak future!

	20-07-2002 01:50									#38
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Rising prosperity, peace in Europe secured.... what a bastard!

	20-07-2002 01:57									#39
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Does it make any difference to my life, and to my wealth if I'm a member of European super-state or a citizen of Italian Banana Repubblic?

If any of you can answer this... I'll change the flag...
for the moment I keep the "Tricolore"

Saluti

	20-07-2002 02:01									#40
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I'm flying the EU flag. Enjoying the Daily Mail, Frosty?

	20-07-2002 02:05									#41
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There is nothing wrong with national pride. And i read the sun because all them other papers have too many long words in.

	20-07-2002 02:06									#42
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quote: Originally posted by moominparatrooper DOWN with the European Union of Socialist States!

Damn Straight.

A close-knit union works when the states haven't been killing eachother for thousands of years. We only killed eachother for four years.

	20-07-2002 02:09									#43
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc I would imagine that he would be proud to be European given that Germany never got over its feelings of guilt over WWII, frosty.

Our European neighbours esp. France should be glad about it...

EU!

	20-07-2002 02:09									#44
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You'd rather the nations of Europe carried on killing each other?

	20-07-2002 02:10									#45
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The different regions of the US had certainly been at war and been ruled by different imperialist powers. Integration worked there.

	20-07-2002 02:11									#46
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Seneca,

Are you saying there's a risk Europeans will begin fighting each other if the European Union broke down?

	20-07-2002 02:13									#47
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quote: Originally posted by BeBro Our European neighbours esp. France should be glad about it...

Bismark would look upon the state he created and despair at how far you've fallen.

	20-07-2002 02:16									#48
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he'd be gölad that at least something survived, given how it was ruled by bourgeois guys...

	20-07-2002 02:16									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Seneca You'd rather the nations of Europe carried on killing each other?

No way. Im against all wars of any kind. I just want a competitive europe. As much as you would like it, Europe will never be one country where we all speak one language. Its a pipedream.

	20-07-2002 02:31									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Monk Seneca, Are you saying there's a risk Europeans will begin fighting each other if the European Union broke down?

Not as such - however, I would like to see a Europe where the concept of a war between France and Germany seems as unlikely and ridiculous as a war between Kansas and Tennessee, or between Somerset and Dorset.

Besides, why would the EU break down? Surely because of the forces that would make war all the more likely - ie Nationalism.

	20-07-2002 02:32									#51
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quote: Originally posted by frostycreep No way. Im against all wars of any kind. I just want a competitive europe. As much as you would like it, Europe will never be one country where we all speak one language. Its a pipedream.

Look back at my comment on the United States - that was most certainly divided by different languages and peoples (and still is) - yet that has done very well by integrating the states.

	20-07-2002 02:34									#52
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USA and EU are apples and oranges and can't be compared that way. The US was able to function as a nation-state because the original inhabitants were wiped out, meaning there weren't border issues etc.

	20-07-2002 02:35									#53
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quote: Originally posted by red_jon Look back at my comment on the United States ... yet that has done very well by integrating the states.

When are you due for your Civil War?

	20-07-2002 02:36									#54
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We've been doing it since 450AD - we're long overdue for a breather...

	20-07-2002 02:36									#55
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc When are you due for your Civil War?

What do you think WW2 was?

	20-07-2002 02:37									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion After drinking a te... OK... well, iI had it in only a few minutes, so there's an excuse... 6 cl, remember... anyway, it makes you start weird topics, such as this. I've noticed some of us have used it, others haven't... everyone of us should do it (use the EU flag that is), so we can beat the other guys... but some of us still prefer to be nationalists. Confess to the Union! (I'll hate myself for this in 2 hours)

No.

	20-07-2002 02:40									#57
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What is your problem with EU, moom?

"Socialism"? Aw, come on - that only bring forth images of nutty Americans who are finding only Internet listens to their theories about how Chinese are going to attack Los Angeles any minute (if the Mexicans can't get there first) and how Hillary Clinton is mass-murdering people with her witchcraft to help the Chinese - or of 60-year-old Englishmen who think asylum seekers are just part of the latest dastardly plot by the Hun to attack Britain and steal her colonies.

Looking from Scandinavian perspective, EU's positively capitalistic. Why, just look at the opposition. In Finland, that consists of good old Soviet bootlicker and toadeye Paavo Väyrynen, upset about his party's diminished ability to conduct agricultural policy by taxing the city and dumping the money in one giant hole in the ground, and yakking ex(?)-communist Esko Seppänen, seeing the evil NATOgoblin behind every corner, ready to set it's neo-liberal claws on what should have been the Western part of Karelo-Finnish SSR.

	20-07-2002 02:41									#58
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quote: Originally posted by red_jon What do you think WW2 was?

You have to be somewhat integrated before a Civil War can take place.

BTW, the situations of the US and Europe are hardly comparable and I fail to see how bringing up the US furthers the pro-EU consolidation arguement.

	20-07-2002 02:45									#59
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I think there is too much division in the EU.... some countries do not like others... France and Germany... pffh... don't get me started on those two....

	20-07-2002 02:46									#60
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc You have to be somewhat integrated before a Civil War can take place. BTW, the situations of the US and Europe are hardly comparable and I fail to see how bringing up the US furthers the pro-EU consolidation arguement.

Because I was making the point that just because peoples speak a different language it doesn't mean that they can't further political and economic union.