23-07-2002 08:19									#181
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My super hot laptop. Seriously, it's so hot Dell facing a class action suit because of it.

	23-07-2002 08:22									#182
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quote: Originally posted by Cloud9 Apple has met it's estimates for most of the quarters in the last 5 years. And can you show me a comparison between Apple and it's biggest competitors on this?

Well, look at this week's newspaper. MS beat estimates. Dell has also beat the "slump" in the PC market.

You said "keeping up with the competitors", which implies the present. When its main competitors, Dell and MS, clearly are doing better, how is Apple keeping up?

I don't care about the 1999-2000 era where every tech company beat expectations.

quote: Do you have any proof to back this up?

You have a short memory, don't you?
Scroll up in the thread, I cited the Time Magazine article (where they actually talk to Steve Jobs). You'll probably claim it's bull, but considering the number came from Apple in the interview I don't think your argument will go very far.

	23-07-2002 08:28									#183
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As usual In an Intel vs Amd thread I have to agree one hundred percent with Asher. Also in keeping with this thread mac's have a way to go to catch up.

	23-07-2002 08:29									#184
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I don't care about the 1999-2000 era where every tech company beat expectations.

Well I care.

quote: You have a short memory, don't you? Scroll up in the thread, I cited the Time Magazine article (where they actually talk to Steve Jobs). You'll probably claim it's bull, but considering the number came from Apple in the interview I don't think your argument will go very far.

Will do.

	23-07-2002 08:32									#185
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quote: Originally posted by blackice As usual In an Intel vs Amd thread I have to agree one hundred percent with Asher. Also in keeping with this thread mac's have a way to go to catch up.

It scares me when we agree.

	23-07-2002 08:41									#186
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On computers we are not that far apart

now when you get some street experience we will talk programs

	23-07-2002 08:56									#187
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quote: Originally posted by Asher You have a short memory, don't you? Scroll up in the thread, I cited the Time Magazine article (where they actually talk to Steve Jobs). You'll probably claim it's bull, but considering the number came from Apple in the interview I don't think your argument will go very far.

Maybe, but look what Apple's "competitor" Microsoft said about the company:

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/...04-10browne.asp

quote: So, in the place of the technology agreement, what do you take away? What do you hang your hat on if you're a Mac customer and you're worried about Microsoft? One, Microsoft is going to try and do the right thing for both customers and the P&L. We're going to try and run a great business. We'll continue this business as long as the business case makes sense to do it. It's pure and simple, we've got to make a profit. We're a profitable company today. It's been kind of a difficult period in the PC market. The last 18 months has been the worst PC market probably in the history of the PC, and yet we've continued to make a good business out of this, as has Apple, Apple has maintained profitability through most of this dark period. We see growth ahead, and we believe that the business case will make sense over the long-term.

Sounds like Microsoft just loves Apple's Macintosh, and won't let it go anywhere. This is confirmed here:

http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/indust....idg/index.html

	23-07-2002 08:58									#188
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Cloud9: Of course MS loves Apple's Macintosh. Hell, MS has developed a .NET runtime for Unix as well!

MS is slowly moving into the services market, so the more computers that will run its software the better.

It also helps keep the antitrust people off their back if they "show mercy".

The people who use MacOS already decided not to buy Windows, so MS only has money to gain by developing for MacOS as well. Same with UNIX.

	23-07-2002 09:04									#189
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End of story.

	23-07-2002 09:07									#190
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Didn't MS save Apple from extinction a few years ago, as it didn't want its only obvious competitor to die and then give real credibility to notions it had an unfair monopoly?

	23-07-2002 09:10									#191
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Yep. It bought something like 20% of Apple, IIRC. It did the same thing with Corel (WordPerfect makers) a while back.

It's the same reason Intel keeps AMD waiting around. If they wanted to, they could absolutely kill AMD, but they keep them around so they can point to the FTC and proclaim "See? We have competition!".

They keep AMD at bay so they stay around the same size with respect to Intel. Pretty clever.

	23-07-2002 09:11									#192
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Ok, I'm going to send you that link now. Though their are broken links on the thread, I'm sure Abby Normal will either fix them or resubmit them for you; there is still a lot of information on the thread. I'm going to PM this link to you guys. Here goes. . .

	23-07-2002 09:12									#193
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I'm not going to read it, Cloud9, I've got better and more interesting things/people to do.

	23-07-2002 09:16									#194
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It's probably just a Jack Chick tract about the evils of PCs, anyway...

	23-07-2002 09:44									#195
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No it is very good reading. I personally like macs. After all that is what I learned on. I would'nt buy a mac for home use is all. Not right now anyway I still have an amiga I plug away at

	23-07-2002 09:45									#196
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I skimread it quickly and dismissed it, particularly when I got to the point that you can run every PC app on your Mac with VirtualPC.

I wonder if that guy has even used VirtualPC? Christ...

	23-07-2002 09:50									#197
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Come on skimmed it hey Asher who developed the GUI? Mac?

	23-07-2002 09:53									#198
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Xerox!

	23-07-2002 09:58									#199
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Then read on man this guy has some wise words and good facts...

	23-07-2002 09:59									#200
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Maybe later, when I'm extremely board and I'm willing to read something to put me to sleep.

	23-07-2002 10:14									#201
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Ah but to learn one has to be willing case closed

	23-07-2002 10:16									#202
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quote: Originally posted by Asher How is Apple keeping up with competitors when its main competitors (like MS) beat estimates, while Apple doesn't come near to meeting them...?

MS "beats" estimates because it does not count stock options as expenses. While this is not entirely illegal under the US accounting laws, the question to ask is, "Who has been paying all that money?"

	23-07-2002 10:16									#203
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I don't see what there is to learn. I use OS X.1 a lot on a friend's iBook, I know about the Mac hardware, I'm simply not interested in them. Case closed.

	23-07-2002 10:17									#204
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quote: Originally posted by blackice Come on skimmed it hey Asher who developed the GUI? Mac?

Who invented the mouse?

	23-07-2002 10:18									#205
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Xerox.

	23-07-2002 10:23									#207
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When ones says they need not learn anyone they have lost their disire to excell beyond their own shell of exsitance.

	23-07-2002 10:24									#208
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blackice, how about I link you to www.dictionary.com

If you don't go and read it you have lost your desire to excel!

	23-07-2002 10:29									#209
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Ah yes the human spell checker he can read it makes sense but the spelling. Do you correct sign lanuage too?

Simpleton I could use spell checkers rather than just bang away but that would take your little fun away so I won't just for you.

	23-07-2002 10:32									#210
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blackice, you don't always make sense, and sometimes it takes several passes to figure out what you're trying to say...

I have to wonder what's wrong with you if you type so much, yet can't seem to get the basic grammar down without putting extra effort into it...