22-07-2002 22:38									#121
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MHz means nothing, Fez, MHz * IPC is speed.

P4 speed > Athlon XP speed.
Wake up.

And AMD's new line isn't going to change much. Intel has a high end 64-bit workstation/server processor that outpowers the Hammer chips (Itanium 2), and the Prescott Pentium 4s will come out 3-4 months after the Clawhammer on a faster bus, with more cache, and higher clockspeeds (just like P4 vs Athlon XP now).

	22-07-2002 23:14									#122
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No.

	22-07-2002 23:18									#123
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You seem to think that AMD is the only company coming out with new chips, Gian...

Considering Intel's R&D budget is 6x that of AMD's, I'm willing to bet they'll continue to lead.

Edit: The numbers
http://biz.yahoo.com/fin/l/a/amd.html
http://biz.yahoo.com/fin/l/I/INTC.html

In Q1 2002, Intel spent $982,000,000 on R&D
In Q1 2002, AMD spent $171,882,000 on R&D

Earnings are amusing as well.
Intel made $936,000,000 in Q1 2002, AMD lost $9,163,000.

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	22-07-2002 23:28									#124
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I had an AMD chip in my old computer. Sucked.

	23-07-2002 00:34									#125
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all AMD proved with its athlon line was that it can provide decent performance for a lower price. it did manage to be better than intel, but now that the AMD thoroughbred core has come out and failed to keep the lead above intel, it's safe to say that intel is probably going to remain at the top for a while longer.

	23-07-2002 00:55									#126
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doood, your getting a dell...

	23-07-2002 01:35									#127
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quote: Originally posted by Asher You seem to think that AMD is the only company coming out with new chips, Gian... Considering Intel's R&D budget is 6x that of AMD's, I'm willing to bet they'll continue to lead. Edit: The numbers http://biz.yahoo.com/fin/l/a/amd.html http://biz.yahoo.com/fin/l/I/INTC.html In Q1 2002, Intel spent $982,000,000 on R&D In Q1 2002, AMD spent $171,882,000 on R&D Earnings are amusing as well. Intel made $936,000,000 in Q1 2002, AMD lost $9,163,000.

And who generally spends their money better? AMD. And the only reason why AMD lost money is because they sell low cost. I am stunned AMD is releasing a new ASS KICKER PROCESSER THAT WILL KICK YOUR ARGUMENT SO FAR IT WOULDN'T EVEN BE FUNNY.

Now you have pissed me off bringing completely irrevelant facts.

Boris, maybe it is because you don't know how to maintain computers. AMD do not suck.

	23-07-2002 01:40									#128
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Fez...AMD does not spend its money better. Intel spends its money upgrading fab plants for future chips (300mm wafers -- allows twice as many chips per wafer as AMD's 200mm). AMD spends their money giving Sanders and the VPs huge payouts (last time I checked, he gets the most money of any CEO in a major US corporation in terms of percentage of revenue).

You keep talking about AMD's new processor coming out, but I'm willing to bet you don't know much, if anything, about it. And I'm also willing to bet you know even less about Intel's upcoming processors.

AMDs do not suck anymore, it's just that they're simply not as good as Intel's.

	23-07-2002 01:41									#129
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Blahblahblahlha... more crap here... more arbitrary statements.

	23-07-2002 01:44									#130
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Do you know what arbitrary means, Fez?

You remind me of a biblethumper.

	23-07-2002 01:56									#131
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	23-07-2002 01:58									#132
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Coming from the boy screaming "lalala, I can't hear you, lies all LIES" in so many words?

	23-07-2002 01:58									#133
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Boris, maybe it is because you don't know how to maintain computers. AMD do not suck.

Oooh, yes, I'm a stoopidhead...

No. I know full well how to take care of a computer. I don't treat things I invest money in shabbily. The AMD chip was a lot of trouble. It was an older one, from 1999, so perhaps they have improved since then. But I find my current Pentium far superior as a processor.

You obviously don't know what you're talking about, as Asher has shown...why continue to fight unarmed?

	23-07-2002 02:03									#134
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They have vastly been made superior.

But I have been on AMD since the K6 and never had problems with it.

	23-07-2002 02:05									#135
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Mine was a K6.

They may now be vastly superior to older AMDs, but they sure aren't superior to Pentiums.

	23-07-2002 02:06									#136
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the Athlon was good, and good versus it's Intel Opponents

before Intel was better

after the P4 was out for a while, Intel was better (and is better now)

note that for budget, I would still go with Athlon

Jon Miller

	23-07-2002 02:22									#137
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Guys I've found an interesting thread in another forum on a totally different site (not Apolyton). I think you might like it. Here a Mac expert presents some hardcore facts and dispells some myths about Macintosh computers. And instead of comparing Macs and PCs he simply defends Macs by presenting the facts about them. The thread offers many good links about Macintosh computers.

I'm going to post a link to this as soon as I have read through the entire thread and have researched all it has to offer, and have gotten the thread starter to fix the broken links in it.

Cheers!

	23-07-2002 02:23									#138
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Cloud9, why do you think he avoids comparing Macs to PCs? I assure you it's not because it makes the PCs look bad.

	23-07-2002 02:25									#139
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Cloud9, why do you think he avoids comparing Macs to PCs? I assure you it's not because it makes the PCs look bad.

Well, of course not. Even I agree that PCs have some advantages, but I also agree that they have some disadvantages.

	23-07-2002 02:28									#140
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How can you establish the disadvantages without comparing them?

Could you please tell us the disadvantages?

	23-07-2002 02:31									#141
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quote: Originally posted by Asher How can you establish the disadvantages without comparing them? Could you please tell us the disadvantages?

I'm not getting into that discussion right now, Asher. Wait 'till I post the link. Perhaps then you can register (vBulletin, it's FREE!!!) at the site and talk with this Mac expert (who knows much more than I do) about Macs. . .

edit: . . .and the disadvantages of PCs in comparison to Macs.

	23-07-2002 02:31									#142
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Macs are outdated, cloud9... that is one major point. Even asher would agree with me...

	23-07-2002 02:34									#143
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Macs are outdated, cloud9... that is one major point. Even asher would agree with me...

Again, we'll discuss later. . .

	23-07-2002 02:34									#144
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quote: Originally posted by Cloud9 I'm not getting into that discussion right now, Asher. Wait 'till I post the link. Perhaps then you can register (vBulletin, it's FREE!!!) at the site and talk with this Mac expert (who knows much more than I do) about Macs.

It's a simple question, Cloud9.

First you say it doesn't compare PCs and Macs, then out of nowhere you say PCs have disadvantages. Do you not realize that in order for something to have a disadvantage in comparison to something else, they would need to be compared?

I'll gladly talk to this Mac Expert. I'm betting beforehand he uses buzzwords without a full understanding and will emphasize useless frills in the OS, which would be like advertising a pack of gum FREE with the purchase of your new car.

	23-07-2002 02:37									#145
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I'll gladly talk to this Mac Expert. I'm betting beforehand he uses buzzwords without a full understanding and will emphasize useless frills in the OS, which would be like advertising a pack of gum FREE with the purchase of your new car.

You're way too critical, Asher. Now stop trolling!

	23-07-2002 02:39									#146
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Cloud9: It is the beauty of it! It is part of his character... being way too critical...

	23-07-2002 02:39									#147
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If by critical you mean objective, then of course I am.

And since you're spending thousands of your own dollars, I'd hope you'd be too.

	23-07-2002 02:40									#148
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quote: Originally posted by Asher If by critical you mean objective, then of course I am. And since you're spending thousands of your own dollars, I'd hope you'd be too.

No, I mean you criticize too much.

edit: That's exactly what you meant, wasn't it?

	23-07-2002 02:42									#149
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I'm sorry.

Buy a damn Mac and put us all out of our misery, and add "Proud Mac User" to your sig.

	23-07-2002 02:43									#150
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I'm sorry.

Now you're being a gentleman!