24-07-2002 03:51									#271
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Ned; I may be wrong I'm no expert on this part on history but I don't recall that Augustine was condemned. And manicheistic influence isn't anything special. Even St Paul
was influenced by similar thinking.

	24-07-2002 03:53									#272
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quote: Originally posted by Dimorier Maximus Fine, I'll spell it out for you since you can't figure it out yourself. Why do we punish murderers if GOD will punish them? Because they damage society. Homosexuals damage society too. Sure, they don't kill people, but they bring society down with them by destroying moral values that are widely accepted in certain groups. Just like you don't want to deal with what you call "intolerant" people, I don't want to deal with homosexuals parading pride for their sexual status.

No, because I want a straight answer, not your typical ***** footing around. I don't want to deal with idiots like you, so I guess I have the right (like you do) to hate, insult, and do everything in my power to make my life miserable.

You offer no proof that they "drag down society",...I wish I could comprehend an insult that would fit that spot, but my feelings cannot be summed up in a single word.

	24-07-2002 03:54									#273
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quote: Originally posted by red_jon OK- I'll bite - how exactly does me sleeping with other men bring down society? The Greeks had a pretty decent society and they were extremely encouraging of homosexuality.

And where is Greek society now? It's darn far behind where American society is, and American society didn't get to this point by applauding homosexuality.

	24-07-2002 03:54									#274
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quote: Originally posted by Dimorier Maximus What came first? The chicken or the egg? The bigot or those that bigot the bigot who then become hypocritical bigots?

Who's being a bigot is decided by the majority. Luckily, we don't have fundy morons like you controling that said majority (but sometimes I doubt this...).

	24-07-2002 03:54									#275
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quote: Originally posted by Dimorier Maximus Fine, I'll spell it out for you since you can't figure it out yourself. Why do we punish murderers if GOD will punish them? Because they damage society. Homosexuals damage society too. Sure, they don't kill people, but they bring society down with them by destroying moral values that are widely accepted in certain groups. Just like you don't want to deal with what you call "intolerant" people, I don't want to deal with homosexuals parading pride for their sexual status. Edit: AND I don't want them telling me that what they do is okay and fine, just like you don't want me telling you that it isn't.

Oh silly me, so ****ging men is the reason for increasing crime?



Look a little closer, you will see it is an issue of how society is run, how the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, how so many people will never have and never have a chance of having. How so many can live in vulgar levels of affluence and others in poverty. Yet it is considered 'acceptable' and even encouraged.

Perhaps you should look at the nature of how society is functioning to find the true nature of the problems. It is greed, it is forced materialism. By no stretch of the imagination is it homosexuality, which is a form of love between two people, whether it is to your personal taste or not.

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Err, my previous post should read more like:

The bigot is decided by common sense but the majority decides what to do with said bigot.

	24-07-2002 03:56									#277
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quote: Originally posted by Christantine The Great No, because I want a straight answer, not your typical ***** footing around. I don't want to deal with idiots like you, so I guess I have the right (like you do) to hate, insult, and do everything in my power to make my life miserable. You offer no proof that they "drag down society",...I wish I could comprehend an insult that would fit that spot, but my feelings cannot be summed up in a single word.

Seems to me like you're the one filled with hate. I don't hate anyone. You on the otherhand...well...look what you just said. I don't like dealing with homosexuals, but I don't hate them.

	24-07-2002 03:56									#278
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quote: but they bring society down with them by destroying moral values that are widely accepted in certain groups.

Encore, encore! One more time:

	24-07-2002 03:57									#279
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quote: Originally posted by Dimorier Maximus Seems I don't like dealing with homosexuals, but I don't hate them.

Yes, you only tell nonsense about them....

	24-07-2002 03:58									#280
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quote: Originally posted by Dimorier Maximus And where is Greek society now? It's darn far behind where American society is, and American society didn't get to this point by applauding homosexuality.

No, it got here by slavery and treating woman like second class citizens for hundreds of years. It also introduced the Salem witch trials, among other moronic things.

Greek society was destroyed by assimilation into a very tolerent religion which was in it's heyday. Funny how most (Christian) Greek cities gave themselves to the more tolerant Islamic overlords instead of being under the oppressive Christian emperors.

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quote: Originally posted by Dimorier Maximus Seems to me like you're the one filled with hate. I don't hate anyone. You on the otherhand...well...look what you just said. I don't like dealing with homosexuals, but I don't hate them.

You want them to have no rights, be kicked out of your state, and go to hell when they die...but you don't hate them. Not only are you stupid, you lie badly (like this is a suprise to me).

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quote: Originally posted by Dimorier Maximus And where is Greek society now? It's darn far behind where American society is, and American society didn't get to this point by applauding homosexuality.

LOL, are you a complete moron?!

The Greek empire collapsed because it was inevitable. Are you saying America will last forever?

	24-07-2002 04:00									#283
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Nice job at evading my points, too. Almost missed it myself.

	24-07-2002 04:01									#284
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quote: Originally posted by Christantine The Great No, it got here by slavery and treating woman like second class citizens for hundreds of years. It also introduced the Salem witch trials, among other moronic things. Greek society was destroyed by assimilation into a very tolerent religion which was in it's heyday. Funny how most (Christian) Greek cities gave themselves to the more tolerant Islamic overlords instead of being under the oppressive Christian emperors.

I really wish you would move to a foreign country so you can tell us all how great it is and how it completely surpasses America in every respect. I picture you burning flags.

	24-07-2002 04:01									#285
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quote: Originally posted by red_jon LOL, are you a complete moron?! The Greek empire collapsed because it was inevitable. Are you saying America will last forever?

As long as we keep dem homos in dem dar cities while us 'mericans go to heaven.[/Maximum Dimness]

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quote: Originally posted by Dimorier Maximus I really wish you would move to a foreign country so you can tell us all how great it is and how it completely surpasses America in every respect. I picture you burning flags.

Well gee darn, I'm going to go oppress the gays so I can live the American Dream!

You are pathetic, try again.

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quote: Originally posted by Christantine The Great You want them to have no rights, be kicked out of your state, and go to hell when they die...but you don't hate them. Not only are you stupid, you lie badly (like this is a suprise to me).

I don't want them to go to hell! I want them to repent and be saved! Maybe I'm going about it the wrong way by arguing with a bunch of straight people that are pro-homo, but that is how I feel, nonetheless.

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quote: Originally posted by red_jon The Greek empire collapsed because it was inevitable. Are you saying America will last forever?

Nations rise and nations fall. That is inevitable, but how long they stay afloat does have to do with their moral values. I think America will last a lot longer if Americans take a stand against homosexuality than it will if it prides itself on allowing homosexuality.

	24-07-2002 04:06									#289
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quote: Originally posted by Dimorier Maximus I don't want them to go to hell! I want them to repent and be saved! Maybe I'm going about it the wrong way by arguing with a bunch of straight people that are pro-homo, but that is how I feel, nonetheless.

But you DO want them to be second class citizens and be away from you, but it means you don't hate them? OH MY GOD, I'M GOING TO DIE LAUGHING!!!!!!!!

So I guess if a gay person IS here (I think there is, but I only skimmed the thread), it's going to be different, right?

Pathetic....

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Oh, if they DO "repent", they're not really gay, so you do want gay people to go to hell.

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quote: Originally posted by Christantine The Great Well gee darn, I'm going to go oppress the gays so I can live the American Dream! You are pathetic, try again.

I'd really go for making it completely legal in some places while completely illegal in others. I don't see why the Feds should be involved in it. It isn't a matter of personal freedom like it is made out to be.

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quote: Originally posted by Dimorier Maximus I really wish you would move to a foreign country so you can tell us all how great it is and how it completely surpasses America in every respect. I picture you burning flags.

So you're saying American is a better country to live in than all the others, for everyone? Personally I prefer Holland - America is richer, but I don't like the lifestyle as much.

	24-07-2002 04:08									#293
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quote: Originally posted by Dimorier Maximus Nations rise and nations fall. That is inevitable, but how long they stay afloat does have to do with their moral values. I think America will last a lot longer if Americans take a stand against homosexuality than it will if it prides itself on allowing homosexuality.

No it doesn't, Maximum Dimness. It depends on how strong their military is and how fanatical their population can become. You are the prime reason why the US will fall.

	24-07-2002 04:09									#294
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You really are beginning to look like a bigotted idiot Maximus. Imagine if you were persecuted for who you are, or had people telling you you are unnatural or the very nature of who you are is wrong.

Get a life

	24-07-2002 04:09									#295
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quote: Originally posted by Christantine The Great But you DO want them to be second class citizens and be away from you, but it means you don't hate them? OH MY GOD, I'M GOING TO DIE LAUGHING!!!!!!!! So I guess if a gay person IS here (I think there is, but I only skimmed the thread), it's going to be different, right? Pathetic....

Second class citizens like thieves and murderers, yes. Second class citizens like blacks in the 1800s, no.

	24-07-2002 04:10									#296
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quote: Originally posted by Dimorier Maximus I'd really go for making it completely legal in some places while completely illegal in others. I don't see why the Feds should be involved in it. It isn't a matter of personal freedom like it is made out to be.

Ok, I propose that it's illegal on the Bikini Atoll and legal everywhere else.

Go back to dreaming about Jerry Falwell.

	24-07-2002 04:10									#297
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quote: Originally posted by Tuomerehu Yeah, who actually cares that she hasn't broken any forum rules...

Actually,

quote: Do you come from Fagland?

Is certainly a violation of forum rules. It will likely earn him a trip to Mingapulco. You too, rj, if you're not careful...

	24-07-2002 04:11									#298
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quote: Originally posted by red_jon So you're saying American is a better country to live in than all the others, for everyone? Personally I prefer Holland - America is richer, but I don't like the lifestyle as much.

I'm just saying that America is a good place to live overall. Holland is a nice place too, I'm sure. But it doesn't surpass America in everything, nor does America surpass Holland in everything.

	24-07-2002 04:11									#299
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Heh. This used to be all in a day's work for CGN. I'm getting nostalgic already...

	24-07-2002 04:12									#300
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quote: Originally posted by Dimorier Maximus Second class citizens like thieves and murderers, yes. Second class citizens like blacks in the 1800s, no.

So now they should be jailed?