26-07-2002 07:31									#31
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quote: Originally posted by blackice The brown slot to the right of the other IDE's is the third IDE option obviously it was added

I think so too. If this is indeed the case, then those "morons" at the store did the most important thing right

	26-07-2002 07:33									#32
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You may have to move the cdrom down a slot to make it work or as I say with newer boards plug the middle to the hd and the end to the cdrom. It makes no difference on newer boards.

	26-07-2002 07:34									#33
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/edit mybad do you have a floppy drive?

	26-07-2002 07:36									#34
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quote: Originally posted by blackice /edit mybad do you have a floppy drive?

yep I do, a 3.5. it has a cable which goes to another part of the board.

the HD and the CD-ROM IDE cables go elsewhere.

to the left of those two slots is the one free slot I'm talking about. (it has the same size as the other two).

	26-07-2002 07:37									#35
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Then this is not the same board

	26-07-2002 07:38									#36
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quote: Originally posted by blackice The brown slot to the right of the other IDE's is the third IDE option obviously it was added /edit mybad do you have a floppy drive?

ditto mine about three IDE's, you live and learn!!!

	26-07-2002 07:39									#37
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quote: Then this is not the same board

oh damn

well...

anyway, your instructions were crystal clear anyway.

BUT from your last post, I gather that I can't connect an IDE cable to the middle socket of my HD IDE cable...

I have to make it work with that one cable.

(might be hard but I think I'll manage. But the CD-ROM will DEFINITELY go to the end of the cable...)

	26-07-2002 07:42									#38
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quote: Originally posted by blackice The HD will be made: master the CD - ROM will be made :slave and the Burner master

Pak, do this you can't go wrong

if it turns out the other slot is ok then you can switch later

	26-07-2002 07:46									#39
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pak,

you have 2 cables, one with a split?

1 cable goes straight from the MB to your CD Recorder

the one with the split goes from your MB to your HD with your existing CDROM in the split

	26-07-2002 07:47									#40
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quote: BUT from your last post, I gather that I can't connect an IDE cable to the middle socket of my HD IDE cable...

You can attach the cdrom to the end of the ide cable and the hd to the middle of the same cable then do what red just posted.

Check all your cables make sure they are in firm and the jumpers are right on both cdroms. Tighten up your new cdrom put on cover and start it up

	26-07-2002 07:48									#41
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You want to be sure NOT to put either the CR-ROM or the CD burner on the same cable as a hard drive.

Primary

Master Hard drive

Slave Hard drive

Secondary

Master CD Burner

Slave CD Rom or DVD

Or you could master a DVD and not the burner. It generaly doesn't matter. What does matter is that an IDE chain uses the SLOWEST protocol for either device for both devices. As a consequence if you put a ATA 66 Hard drive as a master and PIO Mode 4 CD burner on the same cable the hard drive will have to run at PIO mode 4 instead of ATA 66.

Best is one item per cable. Then they can all be a master. I have all my hard drives on a Promise Fastrack 100 instead of on the motherboard. I have a DVD player hooked up to the Primary IDE connection as a master and a burner on the Secondary also as master on the mother board connectors which are only ATA 33 but that is enough for the DVD and IDE.

	26-07-2002 07:48									#42
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever Pak, do this you can't go wrong if it turns out the other slot is ok then you can switch later

Red, it is a huge hussle for a computer illitarate like myself

I prefere to get that IDE cable and try to connect the Burner to the 3rd free IDE slot and get it over with.

I will take out the IDE cable of the CD-ROM and try it in that 3rd slot just to be sure it actually IS an IDE slot though, so I dont buy an IDE cable I would not need.


BTW, you guys are great, thank you guys

	26-07-2002 07:52									#43
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The only chaintech MB I found so far is the dual processor one. Your best bet is to make the ide cable work by using the end to the cdrom and the middle to the hd. I would not put it in the other slot till you have the specs for your mb. nope not me

	26-07-2002 07:52									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Ethelred You want to be sure NOT to put either the CR-ROM or the CD burner on the same cable as a hard drive. Primary Master Hard drive Slave Hard drive Secondary Master CD Burner Slave CD Rom or DVD Or you could master a DVD and not the burner. It generaly doesn't matter. What does matter is that an IDE chain uses the SLOWEST protocol for either device for both devices. As a consequence if you put a ATA 66 Hard drive as a master and PIO Mode 4 CD burner on the same cable the hard drive will have to run at PIO mode 4 instead of ATA 66. Best is one item per cable. Then they can all be a master. I have all my hard drives on a Promise Fastrack 100 instead of on the motherboard. I have a DVD player hooked up to the Primary IDE connection as a master and a burner on the Secondary also as master on the mother board connectors which are only ATA 33 but that is enough for the DVD and IDE.

and i thought i wasn't getting MY point across very well

	26-07-2002 07:52									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Ethelred You want to be sure NOT to put either the CR-ROM or the CD burner on the same cable as a hard drive.

Uh oh.... That screws up everything we have said...

I didnt understand all of the rest of the post, but THAT was exactly what I would do, if there's not a 3rd IDE slot.

Blackice, Red?

	26-07-2002 07:55									#46
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever pak, you have 2 cables, one with a split? 1 cable goes straight from the MB to your CD Recorder the one with the split goes from your MB to your HD with your existing CDROM in the split

The CDROM would not be in the split but in the end...

	26-07-2002 07:56									#47
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if you have 2 slots, then the HD and the CD go on the same ribbon
The CD Recorder goes on its own, no question!

	26-07-2002 07:58									#48
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 The CDROM would not be in the split but in the end...

yep, which ever, keep the Recorder on it own if possible

	26-07-2002 07:58									#49
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OK HOLD THE PRESS!

I'm gonna open up the case and see if that damn 3rd slot is an IDE slot or not. I will take out the IDE cable of the CDROM and try it on on that 3rd slot.

If it fits, it's an IDE slot, right?


But I'll do it after I get some hours of sleep, cause my grey cells are starting to fade out

Ok, thanks for the advices, they have been crystal clear except for that part Ethelred posted...

Will talk to you in a few hours.

I'll not open up the case before seeing this thread, so if there is anything else please tell me

Again thanks guys

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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Uh oh.... That screws up everything we have said... I didnt understand all of the rest of the post, but THAT was exactly what I would do, if there's not a 3rd IDE slot.

I didn't notice if you had more than two hard drives.

IF you have one or two hard drives

Both hard drives should go on the PRIMARY IDE connection. One must be set to Master and the other must be set to Slave.

The CD ROM and the CD Burner should go on the Secondary IDE cable. One as Master and the other as Slave. I would recommend setting the CD burner as the master UNLESS you have a DVD player and not a CD ROM. In that case the DVD player often needs to be the Master.

If you have three IDE connectors that is something I don't know about. I would have to look up your mother board online and that means I have to know which mother board it is.

	26-07-2002 08:03									#51
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Retrive the model number of the mobo. It will be easier that way.

	26-07-2002 08:03									#52
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever if you have 2 slots, then the HD and the CD go on the same ribbon The CD Recorder goes on its own, no question!

Not a good way to do it. The CD recorder will almost certainly slow down the hard drive. CD burners don't have to be on their own. It does help though. If its on the same cable as the CD ROM that can make direct copying from one to the other a bit problematic due to bus conflicts.

	26-07-2002 08:15									#53
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I just checked the instructions (yeah I cheated, I didnt go to bed) and they seem to support reds4ever's option.

They say: Primary: HD+CDROM and Secondary: BURNER.


But the HD is at the end of the cable and the CDROM is in the split something that I cannot do.


In any case, in the best case scenario, that I do have 3 IDE slots, do I make all three masters?


HD master?
CDROM master?
and BURNER master?

	26-07-2002 08:17									#54
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Older mobos don't have 3 EIDE slots. New ones have 4.

Haven't seen one with three those have to be real oddballs

	26-07-2002 08:19									#55
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P22

Your MB has only 2 IDE Cable connectors (the Blue & White ones) and 1 Floppy drive connector (the black one). Each IDE connector can have two drives. The white IDE is 33Mgh and blue is either 66 or 100 Mgh. Leave the HD on its own IDE cable and put the old CDROM & the new CD burner on the other cable. Make the CD burner the Master and the old CDROM the Slave. Remember to keep the CD Burner in the upper most slot.

	26-07-2002 08:22									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Promethus P22 Your MB has only 2 IDE Cable connectors (the Blue & White ones) and 1 Floppy drive connector (the black one). Each IDE connector can have two drives. The white IDE is 33Mgh and blue is either 66 or 100 Mgh. Leave the HD on its own IDE cable and put the old CDROM & the new CD burner on the other cable. Make the CD burner the Master and the old CDROM the Slave. Remember to keep the CD Burner in the upper most slot.

To do that I'd have to switch cables since the IDE cable where the CDROM is doesnt have a split (another socket on it).

The IDE cable of the HD DOES have a split.

Is it a problem if I switch them?

(BTW I'll definitely ask tech support on that one sinc the opinions differe seriously )

	26-07-2002 08:22									#57
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33MB? That's gotta to be pretty old.

	26-07-2002 08:23									#58
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UR

Please send link to a MB with 4 IDE connectors (i.e. is able to handle 6 IBE devices as this is better than standard SCSI interface).

	26-07-2002 08:23									#59
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The white one is for the CDROM. It does not have a split!

The other one, the dark one, which goes to the HD, does have a split.

	26-07-2002 08:24									#60
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 To do that I'd have to switch cables since the IDE cable where the CDROM is doesnt have a split (another socket on it). The IDE cable of the HD DOES have a split. Is it a problem if I switch them?

No.