26-07-2002 03:44									#1
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Ok, I had a thread about that a while ago.

Things have happened since and obviously I haven't yet installed the damn thing.

Anyway and bypassing things that have arisen and dealt with, I have this question to me fellow Poly Tubbies


There is a cable.

A long one.

Which I don't have.

To be more specific it is called I-blahblah something to connect the motherboard with the CD -Recorder.

There is no such cable.

There is one wich connects the MB to the CD-ROM

There is another one which connects the MB to the Hard Disk.

Another one which connects the MB to the DiskDrive.

And that's all.

There is not another one to connect the CD - Recorder.


I searched the Motherboard (I'm a total illitarate when it comes to PCs so bare with me) and I saw that there is a socket free next to the two other cables that conect the Harddrive and the CD-ROM.

So do I buy a I blahblah cable and connect that socket to the MB and to the CD - Recorder?


But there is also a socket that comes out in the middle of the cable that connects the MB to the HD.

Do I get a cable and connect THAT socket to the CD - Recorder?


Anybody can help me?

Anybody even understands what I said?

I'm gonna ask technical support tomorrow but Apolyton advice is known to transcent mere mortal technical support so...


Thanks!

	26-07-2002 06:00									#2
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an IDE ribbon is what you need (costs pennies), connect it to the MB from the CDR and your system should recognize it.

Yourea bit hard to understand ;O) but here goes:

you need a thick (IDE) ribbon to connect frothe drive to the MB, and a smaller power connector (ususally white plastic) from the drive to the MB.

Then you need to set the drives up as either masters or slaves, if you have an existing CD and HD they will probally both be masters, so you need to set you recorder up as a slave to either of them (the jumper settings will be on the drives)

hope this helps

	26-07-2002 06:25									#3
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red4ever, yeah that helped thanks!

But I need a clarification:

as I said there is a socket in the MB which, logically, should be used to plug in the IDE cable and then plug the other end in the CDR.

HOWEVER, there is ALSO a socket in the middle of the IDE cable which connects the MB with the HD.

U sure I plug the IDE cable to the MB and NOT to the socket which is in the middle of the MB-HD IDE cable?


The reason I ask this is that in the ****ing instructions there is a picture of a IDE cable with 2 connections.

Again thanks for helping me and for your courage to go through my labyrinthe of "explanations".


edit: and BTW how many pennies for the IDE are we talking about exactly? (give or take?)

	26-07-2002 06:30									#4
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http://www.waterwheel.com/Guides/ho...ical_drives.htm

It even has pictures

If the cdrom is on the cable by itself plug in the end on not the middle.

	26-07-2002 06:35									#5
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you can use either!

the socket in the middle is just a splitter for another HD.(or CD) but before you fit the drives make note of the master/slave settings for your new drive and which ever drive you 'slave' off.

ie if your HD is the Master ( wihich it will be) then you use the socket in the middle and you new drive is the slave.

i'm on for a while if you have any trouble

	26-07-2002 06:35									#6
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oh ok. then if I choose to use the IDE of the HD then the CDR should definitely be slave.

if I chose to use the MB socket for the IDE I can make it whatever.

Ok, I'll use the MB just to be sure.

I'll do it tomorrow though cause I need that damn IDE cable.

I also needed two spare plastic straps... oh forget it, i got those, but now i need that damn IDE cable too.

Ok, thanks Red4ever blackice

	26-07-2002 06:36									#7
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pak,

yep if youve got a slot free on the MB use that, but you can use the sockets in the middle if you have too

	26-07-2002 06:42									#8
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quote: blackice, which is the primary IDE and which is the secondary IDE?

Your Hd is in the primary your cdrom will go in the secondary.
If you have only one cdrom and one hd put them into different IDE slots. IE: HD in primary cdrom in secondary

quote: The thing is: The IDE cable that connects the MB to the HD has a SOCKET in the middle of it!

Sounds like you have only one cdrom

quote: Should I just go ahead and discard that socket and use the free socket in the MB instead?

Do you have two IDE cables? If so yes use both cables plug the cdrom into the secondary Ide slot on your motherboard. (the free one) As red said look at the back of your cdrom you will see a small jumper. Make sure the jumper is on MASTER or CS that is usualy the factory setting. If you put the cdrom on it's own cable.

/edit: If you notice the IDE cables and the slots will have notches make sure you line them up right. If no notches the red side goes into number 1.

	26-07-2002 06:47									#9
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blackice, there are three slots for IDE cables in my motherboard.

2 of them are occupied by two IDE cables.

one of them goes to the HD (this should be the primary from what you told me)

the other goes to the CDRom.


The one that goes to the HD has an IDE socket in the middle of it.


But from what I understand I can use an IDE cable either to the free slot in the motherboard or to the socket in the middle of the HD IDE cable to connect my CD - Recorder.


I'll use the free slot at the MB, just to be sure.


BTW nobody at the store told me I had to buy an IDE cable, the ****ing morons, now I have to go downtown to the store again tomorrow

	26-07-2002 06:50									#10
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BI

i THINK he's got 2 MoBo slots, 1 HD connected but only one IDE ribbon, so the CDR is either a slave of the HD or Pak buys a ribbon tomorrow? it's tidier the second way!!!

	26-07-2002 06:52									#11
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they never do.

Is it a burner you are installing or just a cdrom?

	26-07-2002 06:52									#12
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can a board have 3 IDE slots?, PAK, just slave off the HD

	26-07-2002 06:54									#13
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Yes newer ones do. The reason I ask if it is a burner is the burner should be on the independant IDE cable. Less problems that way .

	26-07-2002 06:54									#14
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ah, better still, slave the CD of the HD and leave ther CDR on it's own, but i'd check you definatly have 3 IDE slots

	26-07-2002 06:55									#15
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beat ya!!!! ;O) edit: you beat me to it!!!

	26-07-2002 06:56									#16
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quote: Originally posted by blackice they never do. Is it a burner you are installing or just a cdrom?

I already have a CD-ROM installed. (it was in the original PC setup)

Now I will install a Burner (a CD - Recorder)

quote: can a board have 3 IDE slots?, PAK, just slave off the HD

Red, I think it has.

I saw 2 IDE cables starting from the MB from 2 different slots.

There was another one big slot next to these two... propably an IDE slot? no?

	26-07-2002 06:57									#17
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if you've got 3 IDE slots, just plug 'em in!!!

	26-07-2002 06:59									#18
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Several mbs have them yes.

Ok then you need to take the IDE cable off the cdrom you have installed already. Put that into the burner.
Then hook the old cdrom up to the middle cable of the IDE going to you hd. Make sure you change the jumper on the back of the old cdrom to slave. It is really not nessary to use the middle IDE plug on the cable but it if reaches do it. If not unplug the IDE from the HD and put the end into the burner and the middle into the HD. Sometimes it does matter on old MB's so try the middle one first.

Thats it for now we will see if your computer recognizes it at reboot

Last edited by blackice on 26-07-2002 at 07:09

	26-07-2002 07:06									#19
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blackice,

unless I DO have 3 IDE slots in my MB right?

It is an old MB BTW. 4 years old I think. with a celeron 433Mhz on it.

I can't remember the brand.. some tawan brand like all of them

	26-07-2002 07:08									#20
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You may have as the example I gave above it has four and is an old slot one. I would need the model and name of it to be sure though.

	26-07-2002 07:09									#21
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Also, those godamn morons at the store didn't also tell me that I needed a pair of plastic thingies to screw the.. err.. screws (I suffer with my limited english here) on the Burner and THEN put it in the case...

That was my 2nd visit to the store just for those ****ing plastic straps.

Now I will go there for a 3rd time, with a death wish.

	26-07-2002 07:13									#22
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quote: Originally posted by blackice You may have as the example I gave above it has four and is an old slot one. I would need the model and name of it to be sure though.

Damn... I dont remember the brand...

I THINK Chaintech?

No idea about other specification though. The book of the MB is lost somewhere in my library abyss.

Plus the Burner looks a bit uneven in the case...

I have mounted it on but have not, obviously, connected it yet.

I Hope it doesnt matter if it is not 100% even....

I'll try to even it out when I get the IDE cable.

	26-07-2002 07:16									#23
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quote: I Hope it doesnt matter if it is not 100% even

It does matter so play with it until you get it even especially side to side. If it sticks out or in to much you can ajust that easy. Do not screw it in all the way untill you have checked all your work

	26-07-2002 07:19									#24
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quote: Originally posted by blackice quote: I Hope it doesnt matter if it is not 100% even It does matter so play with it until you get it even especially side to side. If it sticks out or in to much you can ajust that easy. Do not screw it in all the way untill you have checked all your work

I was afraid you were going to say that

The thing is that the holes on the plastic thingies do not EXACTLY match the holes on the Burner so the screws are just a bit forced in.

It is a tiny bit unever side to side.

Will try to fix that too.

Damn, I'm gonna be making tons of audio Cds after I have installed that damn thing to get my revenge

(I already have the MP3s )

	26-07-2002 07:21									#25
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i don't think you can have 3, as Black said, just keep the CDR on it's own ribbon and connect the other 2 as M and S

	26-07-2002 07:21									#26
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http://www.chaintech.com.tw/eng/pro...ges/es-675m.jpg

Is this the board you have? if so it came with a three ide slot option.

If that is the board here:

http://www.chaintech.com.tw/eng/pro...478/es-675m.asp

Is the main page for it with the current bios and drivers for your onboard sound etc. Plus the specs and you can get the manual for it from that site.

	26-07-2002 07:26									#27
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That looks very much like my MB, yes. Sorry for not being able to be more specific. I appreciate your help.

Red and Blackice, so JUST IN CASE, there are no 3 IDE slots (although I am sure I have seen one free and I think it was an IDE slot)

The HD will be made: master

the CD - ROM will be made :slave

and the Burner what? master or slave?

	26-07-2002 07:26									#28
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The HD will be made: master

the CD - ROM will be made :slave

and the Burner master

	26-07-2002 07:28									#29
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The brown slot to the right of the other IDE's is the third IDE option obviously it was added
/edit mybad do you have a floppy drive?

	26-07-2002 07:29									#30
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quote: The HD will be made: master the CD - ROM will be made :slave and the Burner master

OK, thanks

BTW, I'd still need an IDE cable to connect the CD ROM with the middle socket of the HD IDE cable...

Because it cannot reach the CD - ROM as it is...

Hope there is no problem in that?