27-07-2002 04:36									#91
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TERROR
DEATH
DESOLATION
DESTRUCTION
HELL
HELL
HELL
THE INFERNO OF DANTE


OH DEAR GOD WHERE TO BEGIN?????????

	27-07-2002 04:37									#92
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*cries*

*tries to calm down*
*fails miserably*


I have spend 4 hours on that godamn hell sent machine of mocking soul wrecking


aaaaaaaaa




what heppened

:

	27-07-2002 04:39									#93
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OK....


I have bought the spli IDE cable.

i got home


opened the case and connected the IDE split cable

I made

Burner master

and CDROM slave

connected all of it


then i burned MP3s without any prblem and i was so happy

everything was working like a charm

]but.,,,,

	27-07-2002 04:43									#94
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WHEN I TRIED TO CONNECT TO THE INTERNET TO TELL YOU GUYS MY PC DIDNT RECOGNISE MY ISDN MODEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



IT SAID: THERE IS NO MODEM CONNECTED

BUT IT WAS!!!!!!!!!!!


I TRIED EVERYTHING

EVERY GODAMN THING

FIRST, I PUT THE PC BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL SITUATION


DISCONNECTED THE BURNER

AND PUT EVERYTHING AS IT WAS

STILL NO MODEM!!!!!!!!!!!!

I EVEN PUT MY OLD PCI MODEM TO TRY AND CONNECT


ANYWAY WHAT I DID WAS

TO TAKE OUT ALL OF THE SECONDARY IDE

YES ALL OF IT

AND NOW IT RECOGNISES MY ISDN MODEM AND I CAN CONNECT

BUT NOT ONLY DO I NOT HAVE A BURNER I DO NOT HAVE A CDROM EITHER!!!!!!!!!!!


THE TAKING OUT OF THE SECONDARY IDE CABLE WAS THE THING THAT PERMITTED AGAIN MY PC TO RECOGNISE MY ISDN MODEM




WHAT TO DO NOW???????


SHOULD I JUST GIVE EVERYTHING TO TECH SUPPRPRT?

	27-07-2002 04:45									#95
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GAMO TIN KOINONIA MOU GAMO TON YPOLOGISTI MOU GAMO TON ADOXASTO MOU!!!!!!


(greek curses I have to unvent)



HELP WHY DID THIS HAPPEN TO THE PC?

	27-07-2002 04:48									#96
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I EVEN TRIED PUTTING THE ISDN BESIDES ITS SERIAL CONNECTION TO USB AND STILL THERE WAS NOTHING!!!


iT ONLY RECOGNISED IT WHEN I TOOK THE SECONDARY IDE CABLE OUT COMPLETELY

	27-07-2002 04:56									#97
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oh godamn ****ing hell, im gonna try it again.

cu later if the PC doesnt explode

	27-07-2002 05:06									#98
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 GAMO TIN KOINONIA MOU GAMO TON YPOLOGISTI MOU GAMO TON ADOXASTO MOU!!!!!! (greek curses I have to unvent) HELP WHY DID THIS HAPPEN TO THE PC?

IRQ conflict most likely. Why I can't figure out. Modems mostly use the COM IRQs. Which shouldn't conflict with the IDE ports. Odd.

About all I can recommend at the moment is to uninstall the modem IN THE DEVICE manager and then reinstall it. You may even have to go so far as to reinstall the OS to get everything to play nice again. That is one of the things that XP is supposed to make easier. It shares IRQs a lot. Even IRQs that would make Windows 98SE break down.

What you really need is a wizard. Someone you know that actually does understand this stuff. You don't even know where to look for the problems so you can ask us the right questions. Maybe someone here can help you over the internet but what you really need is hands on help. At least over the phone so you don't need the modem working at the same time as you get help.

	27-07-2002 05:09									#99
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try moving the modems recourses(sp) , so they don't conflict with the IDE

	27-07-2002 05:11									#100
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beat me to it Eth.;O)

	27-07-2002 05:14									#101
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MIRACLE MIRACLE BLESSING HEAVENT SENT every thing works like a miracle now

	27-07-2002 05:17									#102
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I JUST CONNECTED BACK THE SECONDARY IDE CABLE LIKE BEFORE AND NOW THE MODEM WORKS!!!!!


WHAT THE HELL!!!


I DONT QUESTION IT. IT SAW FIT TO WORK AND IT WORKED


ETHEL GONNA READ YOUR INSTRUCTIONS NOW


BTW BEFORE THAT I TRIED IN MY DESPERATION TO SWITCH SETTINGS IN A COM PORT , I THING I CHANGED SOMETHING FROM 4 TO 3 I DONT REMEMBER BUT IT DIDNT WORK EITHER


BUT NOW EVERY THING WORKS LIKE A CHARM!!!!!!!!!!

	27-07-2002 05:22									#103
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The problem is Paiktis doesn't know what the heck we are talking about. Thats why he needs help in the same room. This stuff is kind of arcane and I haven't used a dial up connection in two years so I don't really remember all the things I used to do to get modem to cooperate when it didn't want to.

If he had XP or even that crappy ME he could the Help stuff that is in the OS. That is surprisingly usefull now. Of course you need an internet connection for a some of it. He could spend days learning about all this stuff.

Well one cure is to get a USB modem. That will get around IRQ conflicts IF his USB ports are working at the moment.

	27-07-2002 05:22									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Ethelred IRQ conflict most likely. Why I can't figure out. Modems mostly use the COM IRQs. Which shouldn't conflict with the IDE ports. Odd.

this is what i thought too.

and i tried to find where the irqs are to change them but i could not.

quote: About all I can recommend at the moment is to uninstall the modem IN THE DEVICE manager and then reinstall it.

i did that it didnt work...




but now it works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



phew, thanks guys!

i went to purgatory and back but now everything works and i have a burner and i did it all by myself thanks to your help!


i still dont know what happened, but now it works!!!!


the CD burning is VERY FAST!!!!!


but i have a question about that. but later

for the time being again thank you all very much


*phew*/

	27-07-2002 05:23									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Ethelred Well one cure is to get a USB modem. That will get around IRQ conflicts IF his USB ports are working at the moment.

I did try that. i connected my ISDN modem using USB instead of serial port but still it didnt work.

now everything works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



i didnt know 1/10 of what i know now after what you told me.

	27-07-2002 05:27									#106
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ok one more question


I burned my MP3s but they are on *.CDA format and my CD player dont recognise them.

i think they must be copied into .wav format for a normal CD player to recognize them right?

is there a good program to make MP3s into wav so I can burn them to a CD?

thanks


(I feel quite happy now )

	27-07-2002 05:28									#107
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 this is what i thought too. and i tried to find where the irqs are to change them but i could not.

Its in the Device Manager. You have to click on the device in question go to the properties and then go to the resource section of properties. There you will find the IRQ setting and MAY be able to change it. Sometimes you can't. There are other ways to see the settings but they can only be changed from the resource settings.

quote: i did that it didnt work... but now it works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Congratulations.

Do you remember what you did? Will you remember the next time? I tend to forget the stuff after a few months unless it gets reinforced in the meantime.

	27-07-2002 05:28									#108
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OH AND THERE WAS NOT A 3RD IDE PORT ON MY MB AFTER ALL

I checked it out.

	27-07-2002 05:32									#109
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 ok one more question I burned my MP3s but they are on *.CDA format and my CD player dont recognise them. i think they must be copied into .wav format for a normal CD player to recognize them right? is there a good program to make MP3s into wav so I can burn them to a CD? thanks (I feel quite happy now )

What program are you using to burn with?

Windows XP has it built in but its pretty limited. Nero will do it. So will Easy CD. The paid version of Music Match Jukebox now has a CD burner as well. I tested it and it works rather well. In most of the programs you just need to tell the program that you want to make a audio CD instead of a Data CD. Most of the programs will know if the MP3 will take up too much space when converted back to CD audio format.

	27-07-2002 05:33									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Ethelred Congratulations.

Thanks And thank all of you for your help

quote: Do you remember what you did? Will you remember the next time? I tend to forget the stuff after a few months unless it gets reinforced in the meantime.

The only thing I dont remember exactly is what I changed in the COM port in the device manager.

My WIn 98 are in Greek so in english if i try to translate it said: do you want to overide automatic selection of sources?

I cliked, yes and then I changed something from 4 to 3 IIRC.

but that still didnt work.

But now, it says I have ports COM 3 and COM4
whereas before I had COM1 and COM something.

But I dont think that was it....


I think the PC needed to have the secondary IDE cable removed and then reiinstalled. as to why... i have no idea.

	27-07-2002 05:38									#111
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quote: Originally posted by Ethelred What program are you using to burn with?

It is Nero. It came with my burner. it looks very good and easy to use but i havent figured out if it can "transform" MP3s into wav format.


are u sure it can do that?

	27-07-2002 05:38									#112
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quote: I think the PC needed to have the secondary IDE cable removed and then reiinstalled. as to why... i have no idea.

Most likely is made the OS reinstall the IDE port and it changed the setting that were causing the conflict. However sometimes Windows does things that are just plain incomprehensible. I find that I can try something and not have it work and then do the exact same thing again and have it work. Well at least I thought it was the exact same thing.

	27-07-2002 05:46									#113
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I forgot to say one more thing, actually two.


_I also changed the mouse from one USB to the other (I have left it this way, im not touching it )

_in the beggining of the boot up, it said that i have IDE secondary and primary 33....
it said primary ide blah blah UDMA 33



does that mean that the IDE slots are ATA 33??????????????


this is importnant so i know if i have to buy a more powerful cable or not. (an ATA 80)

because it is impossible to see the name and model of the MB. all i could make out is the sign of ChainTech.

	27-07-2002 06:30									#114
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Yes Nero can do that. I am launching it right now to check out the details.

I am not using the wizard. When I lauch the program a pop up window for a new compilation comes up. On the left side is a set of icons.

The first is labled CD-ROM(ISO) thats a standard data CD and most likely that is the kind you made.

The second is Audio CD. This is the one you want. It may not be second in the Greek version of course.

The wizard should simply be asking you what kind of CD you want to make. I find it annoying myself so I turned it off without ever using the thing. I don't like wizards for stuff I use much.

Anyway once I clicked on the Audio CD icon the right side of the window changed to one for audio CD. I typed in a name for the CD text and one for the artist. In this case which is the soundtrack for the movie Dragonslayer:

Dragonslayer

Alex North

Then I clicked the NEW button so I could tell Nero what tracks to burn. I dragged the files from my hard drive into the comilation window and Nero figured out how much space it would take. About 63 minites in this case.

Nero listed a pause setting of 2 seconds. This isn't a bunch of Rock n' Roll but a soundtrack so I didn't want that. I highlighted all the tracks and right clicked to get the properties. There I was able to set the pause to zero. I think that will require a Disk at once setting but I want that anyway. Audio CDs are best written in Disk At Once mode AKA DAO.

Now I just clicked on the Prints CD cover icon. Thats right next to the Save icons. It won't be active till you have something in the compilation. It automaticly new what the track names were as that was in the MP3 tags. If the info isn't in the tags you will have to put it there yourself or maybe Nero can do a lookup with Gracenotes. I don't if you can get that in Greek or not.

I chose a file for the images and fiddled around a bit to get it more the way I wanted. Like I didn't want NERO all over the place. Then I hit the print button. Then I did it again because draft mode sucked. All I care about is the track names though so I will only print the back again.

Click on the Burn icon. Made sure it had the right burn speed, 8X in this case as all my faster CDs are 80 minutes and that may not work in my CD player so I dug out an older 74 minute CD. Make sure it set to finalize and that the simulation check box is off. I don't need to simulate it as I know it will work. Made sure it was set to DAO also. All that is on the Burn tab. Then I hit WRITE.

Nero said my CD burner has to have a pause for the first track. Thats ok as it comes before the music starts and not after. Most burners need a lead in like this but I forgot about this. I should have set all BUT the first track to zero for the pause.

So I canceled the burn and set the first track to pause of 2 seconds. Hit burn again. Hit write again and this time its burning. Its going to take a while so I will post this now as it is burning.

	27-07-2002 06:42									#115
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The Hard Disk Drive may only be an ATA 33 device. Can you see the brand and model number? If so you can get the info on the drive online. If you can't see the info go into the Control Pannel/System/Device Manager/Disk Drives and it will tell you the name of the device.

	27-07-2002 06:55									#116
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Ethelred,

I also have the Nero in english so that we have the same. (couldnt do that for win98)

two things

_where is the "burn" icon???

_your instructions are very useful and I will certaintly have to come back to them more than once but:

i did chose the audio CD and Nero still burned my MP3s in .CDA format and NOT .wav format. So my normal CD player cant read the CD I wrote.

How do you make Nero transfrom the MP3s into .wavs?
is there one command for that?

Promethus,
I cant make out the model of my MB. There is nowhere to be found and one side of it is totally covered with the steel from the case.

All I could see was the sign of CHAINTECH.


In the control panel etc it says: Generic IDE Disk Type 47.


!!!BUT when i start up my PC it says in the screen


IDE UDMA 33

(before the primary and secondary IDE lines)

does THIS mean perhaps that I have both ATA 33 ?

that my IDE slots are ATA 33?

	27-07-2002 07:01									#117
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It is important to know if my secondary IDE slot is an ATA 33. If it is higher, which I doubt, I will have to get that more powerful cable the ATA 80, so as to not lose speed. (now i have the ATA 33 cable installed).


In the screen when i start up my PC it says UDMA 33 for BOTH the primary and secondary IDE.


(BTW the burning of a whole Audio CD was very very fast, at least that's what I thought. it took only 7 minutes) But the files were made from MP3 in CDA format and not .wav format

	27-07-2002 07:33									#118
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Ethelred, _where is the "burn" icon???

In with the rest of the icons. Its the one with the flames. It doesn't activate till you have some files set to be burned.

quote: i did chose the audio CD and Nero still burned my MP3s in .CDA format and NOT .wav format. So my normal CD player cant read the CD I wrote.

.CDA is the right format. Thats what you get with an audio CD. If you CD player can't handle its the CD itself and not the format. Mine can't handle some brands of CDs and can handle others. This you have to experiment with. My audio CD player is pretty old and CD burners did not then exist but is still can read some brands of burned CDs. Can't read a CD RW at all.

For one thing if you used an 80 minute CD that may be the problem. The tracks are too close together for many audio CD players to handle. Some can and some can't. You just have to experiment. Most likely the CD you burned will play as an audio CD on you PC just not your audio only player.

quote: How do you make Nero transfrom the MP3s into .wavs? is there one command for that?

I don't know but you did right the first time anyway. Waves become CDA files on an audio CD.

quote: IDE UDMA 33 (before the primary and secondary IDE lines) does THIS mean perhaps that I have both ATA 33 ? that my IDE slots are ATA 33?

It means that is the way the BIOS is reading them. They could be ATA 66 drives anyway. For instance if you hook up a ATA 66 drive to a IDE 33 connector it will be reported as ATA 33. Even if you hook up an ATA 66 drive to an IDE 66 controller BUT use a 40 pin cable instead of the correct 80 pin cable it will still be treated as a ATA 33.

	27-07-2002 07:46									#119
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quote: Originally posted by Ethelred In with the rest of the icons. Its the one with the flames. It doesn't activate till you have some files set to be burned.

OK. I thought so too. But when I leave my mouse pointer on it, it says: "Opens the Write-CD Dialog".

I guess it is this one

quote: .CDA is the right format. Thats what you get with an audio CD.

Oh ok! So the CDA is another name for wav ( the CD player reads them as wavs)

quote: If you CD player can't handle its the CD itself and not the format. Mine can't handle some brands of CDs and can handle others.

Ok. Well... I already know that it doesnt support the SKC brand of CDs
Ok I'll try out different CDs. Does the speed capacity of the CD play any factor on this?

Should I get low speed capacity CDs? And burn them on lower speeds?

Does that help any in the CD player recognising them?

quote: For one thing if you used an 80 minute CD that may be the problem.

YEP! It was an 80 minutes CD....!

quote: Most likely the CD you burned will play as an audio CD on you PC just not your audio only player.

That's exactly what happened.

quote: It means that is the way the BIOS is reading them. They could be ATA 66 drives anyway. For instance if you hook up a ATA 66 drive to a IDE 33 connector it will be reported as ATA 33. Even if you hook up an ATA 66 drive to an IDE 66 controller BUT use a 40 pin cable instead of the correct 80 pin cable it will still be treated as a ATA 33.

I see, so there's no way telling for sure unless I take apart my whole case so as to see what kind of ChainTech MB I have... or just take an ATA 80 cable and be sure.


Thanks!

	27-07-2002 07:47									#120
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It is unlikely that your system was built with a ATA 66 Drive and ATA 66 IDE connector and they put in a ATA 33 cable. It is more likely that you have a ATA 66 connector but the ATA 66 Hard Drive was an "Upgrade". You most likely have a ATA 33 Hard Drive.