 |
| |
|
|
Bereta_Eder
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by Heresson
Russia isn't prosperous... It can be in the future thanks to mr Putin but it isn't...
Lets put it this way; in USSR everyone were poor, but everyone -despite all the political opppresion- could be sure they'll survive. Under democracy, some people got very very very rich and they held the rating on average level, but generally most of people got even poorer, to a status that can't be worse, and no Putin will ever change it. For Russian oligarchs and perhaps middle class someday, democratic
changes were a good thing, but I doubt that for most of Russians.. |
Precisely.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
moomin
|
 |
Moo Like In Moomin
Jul 2000
time: 05:21
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by Frogger
Please provide evidence of them being socialists, moomin.
|
I'm glad you asked. Here are some juicy socialist paragraphs straight from the program the National Socialist Worker's Party of Germany:
"We demand therefore:
11. The abolition of incomes unearned by work.
The breaking of the slavery of interest.
12. In view of the enormous sacrifices of life and property demanded of a nation by any war, personal enrichment from war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. We demand therefore the ruthless confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).
14. We demand profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises.
15. We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.
16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, the immediate communalizing of big department stores, and their lease at a cheap rate to small traders, and that the utmost consideration shall be shown to all small traders in the placing of State and municiple orders.
17. We demand a land reform suitable to our national requirements, the passing of a law for the expropriation of land for communal purposes without compensation; the abolition of ground rent, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.
18. We demand the ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are injurious to the common interest. Common criminals, usurers, profiteers, etc., must be punished with death, whatever their creed or race.
19. We demand that Roman Law, which serves a materialistic world order, be replaced by a German common law.
20. The State must consider a thorough reconstruction of our national system of education (with the aim of opening up to every able and hard-working German the possibility of higher education and of thus obtaining advancement). The curricula of all educational establishments must be brought into line with the requirements of practical life. The aim of the school must be to give the pupil, beginning with the first sign of intelligence, a grasp of the nation of the State (through the study of civic affairs). We demand the education of gifted children of poor parents, whatever their class or occupation, at the expense of the State."
Seems pretty darn socialist to me. If you exchanged Germany and German to Soviet and Russian where appropriate, all this could have been written by Lenin, Trotsky or any other Soviet socialist. Heck, most of this, except perhaps for the outright nationalisation and expropration demands could be from any present-day European Social Democrat manifesto.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
DinoDoc
|
 |
AECCP loves Democracy
Sep 1999
time: 23:21
|
|
quote:
11-8-18
Send to Penza To Comrades Kuraev, Bosh, Minkin and other Penza communists
Comrades! The revolt by the five kulak volost's must be suppressed without mercy. The interest of the entire revolution demands this, because we have now before us our final decisive battle "with the kulaks." We need to set an example.
1. You need to hang (hang without fail, so that the public sees) at least 100 notorious kulaks, the rich, and the bloodsuckers.
2. Publish their names.
3. Take away all of their grain.
4. Execute the hostages - in accordance with yesterday's telegram.
This needs to be accomplished in such a way, that people for hundreds of miles around will see, tremble, know and scream out: let's choke and strangle those blood-sucking kulaks.
Telegraph us acknowledging receipt and execution of this.
Yours, Lenin
P.S. Use your toughest people for this. |
Such a kind and generous person that Lenin was.
|
|
| |
|
| |
|
|
|
Stefu
|
 |
CLOWNS WIT DA DOWNS 4 LIFE YO!
Jan 1970
time: 07:21
|
|
Gad, the eternal debate. Were Nazis capitalists or socialists? It almost reminds you of one of those typical days when school had sport classes. Your team picks the Nazis! No, your team picks them! No, your team! Your team! YOUR TEAM! YOUR TEAM!
Moomin, you may quote as much of Nazi platform as you want. It doesn't matter. When it came to getting votes, Hitler was the friend of the working man, a true Christian, not to forget a man of peace who just wants to unify the German people. When it came to real life, that wasn't true, of course. Hitler in public vs. Hitler in private were wholly different deals.
Non-Moomins, it might come as a bit of a shock, but being supported by Big Biz doesn't necessarily mean you are a capitalist. (Whoa!) Big biz, after all, uses the democracy in it's rather uncapitalistic pursuit to gather as much grummint money as possible, not to forget all manner of nifty tariffs to prevent foreign competition from threatening their markets. And Nazis offered extra perks - slave labour, stability, not to forget not being Communists. Businesses were then kept on a tight state leash, of course.
Were Nazis capitalists? Or socialists? Neither, says me. I distinctly remember seeing Hitler quote stating that if socialism worked, Nazis would use that, and if capitalism worked, Nazis would use that. "Use" is a correct word - Nazis weren't certainly concerned about freedom of the market, and true concern for working man died with Strasser and his ilk. What drove Nazis were their repugnant racial theories and relentless expansionism - economic policies were useful as far as they served this doctrine, ie. keeping people well-to-do enough not to make any troubling questions and making it possible to have a decent war footing and keep the munitions coming.
Last edited by Stefu on 29-07-2002 at 20:16
|
|
| |
All times are GMT. The time now is 05:21.
Apolyton Time is 00:21. |
top of page
|
| archivepost |
|
Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
|
HTML code is ON
vB code is ON
Smilies are ON
[IMG] code is ON
|
|
|
|
|
|
29-07-2002 03:10
I am posting about post war SU , mostly.
|