29-07-2002 08:08									#151
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I was talking about Ming's...I have nightmares about it.

	29-07-2002 08:09									#152
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quote: Originally posted by Verto I was talking about Ming's...I have nightmares about it.

	29-07-2002 08:59									#153
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quote: Originally posted by Kamrat X 1) I´ve seen him on a postcard

I saw him with my own eyes in mausoleum.

quote: 2) I think he´s buried in the Kremlin wall or something. IIRC it was a burial ceremony for him in 1992(?)

No, he is still in his mausoleum and no one gone remove him from there. (It is good for turist's buissnes)

	29-07-2002 09:26									#154
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quote: Originally posted by Verto How many of you are serious when you say you want the Soviet Union to return? This is sickening...

It will return no later than Jesus' return to Earth.

God bless the holy worker's revolution!

	29-07-2002 09:28									#155
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Hehe I like this Soviet Beast guy

	29-07-2002 13:50									#156
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion he's your DL, that is why

I'm making progress. Not so long you thought that I'm someone's DL. Now you think that I have DL. When you changed your mind?

	29-07-2002 14:05									#157
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson "In other news, USSR was cool for keeping the world balance against the american menace." SU was even worse than US in that matter. Don't dare to say to anyone from eastern Europe that "SU was cool" in that matter.

May I? May I? SU WAS COOL (my little revenge for what you've done in your EU2 game. )
Paiktis mean smt different, smt that he called an American menace. Perhaps if Yankees will ever decide to bomb Warsaw, like they bombed Belgrad you will understand what he mean.

quote: And even if it could be done, You'd have to separate the children from their capitalistic parents' influence.

You scare me now Any suggestions how it could be done?

	29-07-2002 15:07									#158
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quote: Originally posted by Fez To the communists: How about a handshake and I will retract the rude comments I have made against you?

It´s not good enough Fez, you will have to change your debating style. Look at some of the other anti-communist posters here, like Imran. Civility is the keyword.

Now, I kinda like you Fez (God knows why... ) but your debating style gets tiresome when your back is against the wall...

	29-07-2002 16:00									#159
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If not SU we would be today on a better level of anything.
US influence wasn't destroying the economics, SU was.

How it could be done? Give me a chance. I'd be better than Feliks Edmuntowicz himself

	29-07-2002 16:30									#160
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I feel bored already when thinking of reading through 3-4 pages of posts just so that I could write my input on this subject. And that makes sleepy enough not to take part in this discussion...

But one thing to mention... Those who think that they have anything to say on communism, should first read some proper literature, make up their mind on the subject and then discuss. Otherwise we only get some USA flavoured anti-communism bull from the Cold War era.

	29-07-2002 16:39									#161
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KX

	29-07-2002 16:45									#162
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KX - that strongly reminds me of Siro's debating style even when he's not with his back against the wall

	29-07-2002 16:52									#163
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KX?

	29-07-2002 17:02									#164
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Ecthelion: that's the ME threads. Everything goes there. Of course , a small troll pointing out Siro , while ignoring Mobius and CyberGnu is ok , isn't it ?

	29-07-2002 17:04									#165
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KX- Kamrat X . A lame nick , isn't it? ( yes, I know , "look who's talking." )

	29-07-2002 17:07									#166
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Ok, thanks. Didn't get the point first.

	29-07-2002 19:58									#167
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quote: Originally posted by Kamrat X It´s not good enough Fez, you will have to change your debating style. Look at some of the other anti-communist posters here, like Imran. Civility is the keyword.

But I have been... I haven't gone yelling at people like crazy like I used to, and I presented some points the opposition still has yet to rebut.

quote: Now, I kinda like you Fez (God knows why... ) but your debating style gets tiresome when your back is against the wall...

I don't know why you would like me anyways. Our political beliefs are starkly different and our economic beliefs are complete opposite.

My back is NOT against the wall, I am just defending my opinion.

	29-07-2002 20:03									#168
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quote: Originally posted by Fez If you really are defending the USSR I suggest you find this quote funny usually said by my economic teacher mocking Joseph Stalin: He speaks English with an attempt of an Russian accent saying "Yes, we have 0% unemployment, those who don't work are sent to death." Don't defend this hopeless system.

your school obviously hires people based on their social, rather than pedagogical skills
the real decline of soviet economy started under khruschev. former ussr states are still running on infrastructure created during stalin.

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quote: Originally posted by LaRusso your school obviously hires people based on their social, rather than pedagogical skills the real decline of soviet economy started under khruschev. former ussr states are still running on infrastructure created during stalin.

Look my teacher was just joking around... he always has a joke to say and criticizes everybody including himself jokingly. He is never meant to be offensive.

Stalin did send 20 million people to rot in Gulags.

	29-07-2002 20:06									#170
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quote: Originally posted by Dan Severn Russia is just as poor now as it has always been. By western standards, the government is still repressive. However, nowadays the government could never get away with killing tens of millions of its own citizens. It's a good thing the soviet empire is gone. It won't be back.

interesting point. russia will always be worse than its western counterparts. we can disagree about tens of millions, but the perspective is there...they are just as bad by today's standards today as they were by past standards in 1930's

	29-07-2002 20:07									#171
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LaRusso, at least they are having economic growth that can be sustained and is not superficial.

	29-07-2002 20:08									#172
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Stalin did send 20 million people to rot in Gulags.

You need one more zero there. I am sure it was closer to 200 million

	29-07-2002 20:09									#173
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quote: Originally posted by Fez LaRusso, at least they are having economic growth that can be sustained and is not superficial.

haha, the results of 'fake' growth during stalin can still be seen on dnieprostroi and moscow metro. putin does not have enough money today to repair that infrastructure, let alone build it anew. anyway, a good proportion of the growth was there because the oil prices shot up. we'll see....

	29-07-2002 20:11									#174
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quote: Originally posted by LaRusso haha, the results of 'fake' growth during stalin can still be seen on dnieprostroi and moscow metro. putin does not have enough money today to repair that infrastructure, let alone build it anew. anyway, a good proportion of the growth was there because the oil prices shot up. we'll see....

Lets see here: Putin has been abled to transform his economy into one that works, and has been abled to make the government transparent. The first time that has ever happened in Russia. Also the proportion of growth was actually from economic diversification. And Russia has been named a free market economy by the US.

	29-07-2002 20:23									#175
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quote: Originally posted by Stefu Moomin, you may quote as much of Nazi platform as you want. It doesn't matter. When it came to getting votes, Hitler was the friend of the working man, a true Christian, not to forget a man of peace who just wants to unify the German people.

Well, Stefu, I agree Hitler, like most politico's, was happy to ride any pony that happened to be headed his way.

quote: When it came to real life, that wasn't true, of course. Hitler in public vs. Hitler in private were wholly different deals.

And what particular practices of nazi policy makes you doubt their socialist zeal? Tip: mentioning thing that come from the national side of the national socialist equation doesn't really cut it - they did this on top of, and in addition to, their socialist practices.

	29-07-2002 20:30									#176
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JohnT looks eagerly to post to this thread, only to hesitate when he see's that Fez has posted his regular inanities. I mean, why bother?

	29-07-2002 20:31									#177
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT JohnT looks eagerly to post to this thread, only to hesitate when he see's that Fez has posted his regular inanities. I mean, why bother?

Thanks a lot for spitting in my face.

	29-07-2002 20:33									#178
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quote: And what particular practices of nazi policy makes you doubt their socialist zeal?

Well, one could mention anti-union legislation and such, but what you're asking to do is proving a negative. I'll phrase it this way and throw it back at you: what particular practices of Nazi policy make you believe they were zealous socialists?

	29-07-2002 21:00									#179
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quote: Originally posted by moomin And what particular practices of nazi policy makes you doubt their socialist zeal? Tip: mentioning thing that come from the national side of the national socialist equation doesn't really cut it - they did this on top of, and in addition to, their socialist practices.

What socialist practices? What, just because their organization called itself socialist, you believe it? Does that mean that you believe that Freedom Road Socialist Organization is really about freedom? Is Prairie Fire really about a Prairie Fire? Is Acorn really about an acorn? Does New Labor have anything to do with labor?

The Nazis smashed the unions and replaced them with new Nazi unions, which gave the employers everything they asked for and reported to the government on any disgruntled workers. They handed over huge subsidies to major corporations, including slaves. They conquered huge swathes of terriroties and then handed the resources in those territories over to the corporations. Naziism is a capitalist's wet dream of profitablity.

Even a minor capitalist like Schindler could walk into Aushwitz and demand his workers be released (greased with a bribe). Had IG Farben or GE or Krupps demanded that their slaves be fed and clothed better, it would have happened.

	29-07-2002 21:07									#180
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quote: Originally posted by Fez But I have been... I haven't gone yelling at people like crazy like I used to, and I presented some points the opposition still has yet to rebut.

It´s a start I guess... But keep working on it

quote: I don't know why you would like me anyways. Our political beliefs are starkly different and our economic beliefs are complete opposite.

So are Imrans and Wraiths and even Ozzy, I still think they´re nice guys... It´s not like I´m hitting on you or anything...