30-07-2002 09:30									#1
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Pardon me for any atrocities I may commit.

How long do you think the US will remain a superpower? Forever? A few years? Weeks? Months? Is it already not a superpower? Discuss.

While were on the topic (yes, this has been rehashed over and over, but so have the above subject) whos gonna become the next superpower and why?

	30-07-2002 09:33									#2
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Ladies and gentelmens,

the atrocities is about to begin.
Weeeeeeeeeeelcome to new supeeeer-meeeeeeega-troooooll threeeeead.

	30-07-2002 09:36									#3
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[Returns to say smt on topic]

quote: While were on the topic (yes, this has been rehashed over and over, but so have the above subject) whos gonna become the next superpower and why?

Who? We both know who it will be.
Why? Look on our flags.


























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	30-07-2002 09:38									#4
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Heard & McDonald Islands will become the world's next superpower. Its always who you least suspect.

	30-07-2002 09:39									#5
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43 years, six months, seven days, eight hours, ten minutes, and 45.83945739020 seconds. Then I'll be the world's only superpower.

	30-07-2002 09:41									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Who? We both know who it will be. Why? Look to our flags.

Sorry, but the most you can realistically hope for is regional power.

	30-07-2002 09:46									#7
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Sorry, but the most you can realistically hope for is regional power.

Typical evil capitalist dog pig conservative. Great Russia will come back again.....You just wait.

	30-07-2002 09:47									#8
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Russia is going to be hard pressed to hold onto the territories it controls now.

	30-07-2002 09:48									#9
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If I were Dino, I'd prefer not to wait.

	30-07-2002 09:51									#10
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Sorry, but the most you can realistically hope for is regional power.

So, Mr.DD is here. Great! Everything is ready for show now.

Btw, [looking on DD avatar] DinoDoc took free advice and visit a good plastic surgeon. Your photo looks a bit ugly.

	30-07-2002 09:55									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Russia is going to be hard pressed to hold onto the territories it controls now.

	30-07-2002 09:57									#12
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*Sigh* Only a few minutes after I post the thread and its already turned to spam....

	30-07-2002 09:57									#13
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I love that pic!

	30-07-2002 09:58									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 *Sigh* Only a few minutes after I post the thread and its already turned to spam....

It was spam to begin with...

	30-07-2002 10:00									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Dan Severn It was spam to begin with...

So? That doesn't excuse the rest of the spam.

Oh, and

	30-07-2002 10:01									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 *Sigh* Only a few minutes after I post the thread and its already turned to spam....

It's not your fault that it turned to spam.

	30-07-2002 10:13									#17
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Don't tell me to **** off. Tell some Chinese guy; they're the ones who are going to take Siberia back from you.

	30-07-2002 10:16									#18
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Anyway, I'll show a little respect and get this thread back on topic. I think that the US will remain the world's sole superpower for at least 20 more years and China will be the next superpower.

	30-07-2002 10:35									#19
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I say the US will remain a Superpower for the next couple decades at least. It will then be jopined then by china, who has an industrial potential many times greater than even the US, not to mention its growing economy (thanks to shifts towards free markets...take that communism - it really doesnt work in reality. Though on paper it is perfect.....).
As for Russia, since it has shed its communist government, it was unfortunately raped by the few bastards that took control of the privatized businesses. Once corruption is squelched, and the harm done by it is undone, I will be happy to see a free market Russia in a couple of decades resume its position next to the US as a superpower, though as a close ally instead of a bitter enemy. In an ironic twist, i believe if things continue the way they are, Euro-American relations will sour significantly (with the exception of Britain) and Russo-American relations will become close almost like Britain-American relations. Though this will be fine, because Russia will probably equal the EU in power. It would be nice if we could all be friends, though.
South Africa, though it will never achieve Superpower status anytime soon, I think it does have great potential at becoming a power, which is a big deal being surrounded by the third world as it is.

Kman

	30-07-2002 10:39									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Don't tell me to **** off. Tell some Chinese guy; they're the ones who are going to take Siberia back from you.

Don't worry. If I ever will hear smt like you said from Chinese guys, I'll tell them to do the same. But aside you, I live in Siberia and know much more then you about how things are going on here. So, everytime when I hear how somebody saying such bullshit as" Chinese are going to take Siberia back from you." ( Why back? It never belonged to them) I could only say :

	30-07-2002 10:56									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Don't worry. If I ever will hear smt like you said from Chinese guys, I'll tell them to do the same. But aside you, I live in Siberia and know much more then you about how things are going on here. So, everytime when I hear how somebody saying such bullshit as" Chinese are going to take Siberia back from you." ( Why back? It never belonged to them) I could only say :

I sense a little hostility....

	30-07-2002 11:01									#22
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The Russian Far East (area north of the Amur River) did belong to China and will most likely revert to Chinese control in the future. Illegal Chinese immigration into that area are already threatening to make Russians a minority. Russia is a falling power and China is a rising power. I don't really see how Russia can hold on to the Far East, except by praying that China doesn't want it back. You're also probably going to lose the Kurile and Sakhalin islands to Japan.

Sorry to say, Russian power in Asia is waning and will soon be eclipsed by the rising powers in East Asia. Russia will still be a power, but only a regional one, in Europe. Just my two cents.

	30-07-2002 11:17									#23
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Serb,

The great Lenin was going to abolish all the unequal treaties signed by Tsarist Russia. The not-so-great Stalin didn't follow through on it.

	30-07-2002 11:26									#24
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Urban Ranger,
I thought that our governments solved all territorial problems few years ago.
If not.... then I demand return of Port-Arthur.

	30-07-2002 11:31									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Kramerman I sense a little hostility....

No, I'm not hostile. I just laugh when I hear that soon I might become a Chinese citizen.

	30-07-2002 11:43									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Blah-Blah-Blah.....I don't really see how Russia can hold on to the Far East, except by praying that China doesn't want it back. Blah-Blah-Blah....

You want to know HOW? Easily :

	30-07-2002 11:48									#27
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Sorry Russian comrades, but it is likely that large parts of east-asia will fall to China or Japan. I suspect everything up to Stalingrad (Volgagrad) will belong to some Asian entity in the future.

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Good joke.

	30-07-2002 11:57									#29
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider Sorry Russian comrades, but it is likely that large parts of east-asia will fall to China or Japan. I suspect everything up to Stalingrad (Volgagrad) will belong to some Asian entity in the future.

I dunno much about the stability of the east regions of Russia, but thats hard to imagine. I wouldnt think Russia would let these regions go without a fight (just look at chenya, a little pissant region and they are fighting bitterly over it) - and they would be able to put one up even with their decaying military.

	30-07-2002 12:03									#30
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider Sorry Russian comrades, but it is likely that large parts of east-asia will fall to China or Japan. I suspect everything up to Stalingrad (Volgagrad) will belong to some Asian entity in the future.

I wouldn't go this far. Russia will still probably maintain a presence east of the Urals and in Central Asia. The eastern portions of Russia, however, are going to fall if East Asian countries decide they want them. Economically and demographically, Russia is already beaten in these areas. Militarily, the balance is shifting even as we speak. I'm relatively confident that Mongolia and the Russian Maritime Territories will fall back into the Chinese orbit. Beyond that, it's hard to tell what is going to happen. If Japan became more aggressive, it could probably assert control over the island north of Hokkaido and maybe even expand into Kamchatka. And who knows how much territory China would want to take? Russia can't do much about it, besides using Serb's nuclear weapons, but does Russia really want to start a nuclear exchange in order to keep some sparsely populated forest land? I don't think so...