03-08-2002 10:23									#241
	Get a bigger avatar today!

quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 and im sure other people "chose" to be in high crime areas.. *shivers when thinking of the new world...*

A lot of people aren't as fortunate. That doesn't mean I'm saying **** them all because I'm getting a degree and a job in a nice area.

quote: did too

When?

quote: educate organize agitate.

Educate? Everyone KNOWS there is a problem.
Organize? Organize WHAT?
Agitate? You mean run down a street wearing various gang colors?

quote: push for more social welfare through your votes and your political convictions should be a good start

	03-08-2002 10:24									#242
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

once again: justice should not depend on any kind of donations(money or time) or any efforts by community groups or how many lawyers you can afford or anything like that

	03-08-2002 10:25									#243
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

quote: Originally posted by MarkG once again: justice should not depend on any kind of donations(money or time) or any efforts by community groups or how many lawyers you can afford or anything like that

Yes, Mark, and money should be free.

You ask the impossible.
Even in Greece I'm sure there are organizations that donate time and money helping people with the law.

	03-08-2002 10:27									#244
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

quote: Originally posted by Asher A lot of people aren't as fortunate. That doesn't mean I'm saying **** them all because I'm getting a degree and a job in a nice area.

that was the meaning of your posts though.
maybe
1) you fail to realize it
2) you faked it

i hope for your sake in life, it is the second

quote:

the laughter of the future person in Death row no doubt!

i cant tell you exactly what to do in just 5 words. the thing is to care and to try and make a contribution into changing it. if you believe that's how it is and its final then you re brainwashed and that's the reason such conditions exist.

	03-08-2002 10:28									#245
	Get a bigger avatar today!

therefore since you're saying that "free" justice is impossible that means that an innocent CAN get sentenced AND executed

	03-08-2002 10:29									#246
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

quote: Originally posted by MarkG once again: justice should not depend on any kind of donations(money or time) or any efforts by community groups or how many lawyers you can afford or anything like that

what is the difference between something provided by the community and soemthing provided by the government

I can think of one important difference, the community cares, while the government (As it is set up now) does not

There is no difference between the government doing something, and the community doing somthing, becuase the community is part of the government

justice always has and always will depend on the community (and it doesn't depend at all on how many lawyers you can afford becuase to put it frankly most DPers can't afford good lawyers at all)

Jon Miller

	03-08-2002 10:30									#247
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 that was the meaning of your posts though. maybe 1) you fail to realize it 2) you faked it i hope for your sake in life, it is the second

I can safely say you're a moron.
I said nothing of the sort, I implied nothing of the sort, and you're a moron for thinking anything of the sort.

quote: the laughter of the future person in Death row no doubt!

Everyone in America is on death row once or twice!

quote: i cant tell you exactly what to do in just 5 words. the thing is to care and to try and make a contribution into changing it. if you believe that's how it is and its final then you re brainwashed and that's the reason such conditions exist.

paiktis, don't give me that horseshit.
What do you to do help prevent AIDS in Africa?
What do you do to help prevent the mugging going on right now in London?
What do you to help find Osama?

It's nice to help out, but we all have our limits. I absolutely hate it when people such as yourself try to put guilt trips on people for not helping out. You even accuse them for not caring because they're not helping out for Cause X.

	03-08-2002 10:32									#248
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

An innocent has people fighting for their side

people who care about what happens to them

this takes down the chance that someone will be wrongfully executed to acceptable levels

I personally am much more worried for the average guy in prison, there are not near as many groups for him, and he is likely to have similiar (or worse problems) with justice than those who get sentenced to death

Jon Miller

	03-08-2002 10:32									#249
	Get a bigger avatar today!

quote: Originally posted by MarkG therefore since you're saying that "free" justice is impossible that means that an innocent CAN get sentenced AND executed

I said no such thing my hairy friend.

"Free" justice is through the public system.

An innocent CAN be sentenced and an innocent CAN be executed, and that is horrible. There's simply no way around it.

I do guarantee you, though, that FAR, FAR more people had their lives totally and completely ruined by incorrect life sentences.

Perhaps you should start advocating that we stop sentencing people altogether. That's the only way to stop all injustice, since you preach against it so harshly.

	03-08-2002 10:34									#250
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

the thing is that the suppport the community will give to someone will be MORE than what the goverment would do.

therefore some people will have MORE help in their case, creating injustice

	03-08-2002 10:35									#251
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Again, Mark, the only way to stop that is to stop sentencing altogether.

	03-08-2002 10:36									#252
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

quote: Originally posted by MarkG the thing is that the suppport the community will give to someone will be MORE than what the goverment would do. therefore some people will have MORE help in their case, creating injustice

Yes, people who get sentenced to death have more people looking in on their case, so they get more support than the average Joe in prison. Therefore those that do not get sentenced to death get less Justice than those who are sentenced to death. That is unfair, maybe everybody should be sentenced to death.

Jon Miller

	03-08-2002 10:37									#253
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

quote: An innocent CAN be sentenced and an innocent CAN be executed, and that is horrible.

that's all i've been saying

the state should not kill innocents

quote: There's simply no way around it.

actually there is: no death penalty


thank you very much, good night

	03-08-2002 10:37									#254
	Increase the size of your Attachments

quote: Originally posted by Asher I can safely say you're a moron. I said nothing of the sort, I implied nothing of the sort, and you're a moron for thinking anything of the sort.

an expected backlash from someone being exposed in doing it. your posts are there for our "very objective" audience to read.

quote: Everyone in America is on death row once or twice!

who knows what fate has in store for you? 1 think is sure, the death penalty is there for you

quote: paiktis, don't give me that horseshit. What do you to do help prevent AIDS in Africa?

supporting policies that will help bring down the exploitation of africa by my vote.

quote: What do you do to help prevent the mugging going on right now in London?

nothing. you got me there. but i guess a support for measures which i believe are against crime in a european leve is at least one thing

quote: What do you to help find Osama?

absolutely nothing. got me again.

quote: It's nice to help out, but we all have our limits. I absolutely hate it when people such as yourself try to put guilt trips on people for not helping out. You even accuse them for not caring because they're not helping out for Cause X.

its not guilt trips. its waking up calls. i dont say im better than you. just that we must help and not be a self absorbed moron.

	03-08-2002 10:38									#255
	Suffering from ads?

quote: Originally posted by MarkG that's all i've been saying the state should not kill innocents

They should not imprison innocents for life either. And this happens far more often.

For me personally, I wouldn't care if I got death over life in prison. Either one is effectively the same to me.

	03-08-2002 10:40									#256
	Suffering from ads?

quote: Originally posted by Asher They should not imprison innocents for life either. And this happens far more often.

dead men cant get out of jail when their inocence is finally proven.

	03-08-2002 10:41									#257
	Put an end to popups!

quote: its not guilt trips. its waking up calls. i dont say im better than you. just that we must help and not be a self absorbed moron.

Just what do you know about me, paiktis?
You don't know much of anything. You see a persona on Apolyton, you don't know me. Stop acting like it.

You don't think I volunteer for anything? You don't think I care about people dying in Philly or dying from AIDS -- you just throw out your judgement as a typical personality troll.

You're very wrong, but you can keep believing that if it helps you feel better about your pathetic self.

	03-08-2002 10:41									#258
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

quote: They should not imprison innocents for life either.

death can not be reversed. life imprisonment can.

again, thank you and have a good night

	03-08-2002 10:42									#259
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller That is unfair, maybe everybody should be sentenced to death.

Sounds like a plan to me.

	03-08-2002 10:42									#260
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 dead men cant get out of jail when their inocence is finally proven.

It's extremely rare for someone who is serving life in prison to be released prematurely due to new evidence. More rare than death sentences.

	03-08-2002 10:43									#261
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by Asher Just what do you know about me, paiktis? You don't know much of anything. You see a persona on Apolyton, you don't know me. Stop acting like it. You don't think I volunteer for anything? You don't think I care about people dying in Philly or dying from AIDS -- you just throw out your judgement as a typical personality troll. You're very wrong, but you can keep believing that if it helps you feel better about your pathetic self.

good night asher. read your own posts.

im actually pleased if im wrong in this case

c u later.

	03-08-2002 10:43									#262
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

Ok, now I remember why I rarely participated in threads about the United States that are initiated by Mark.


I lost track . . . . . where was this going, and WHAT is the topic??

	03-08-2002 10:43									#263
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

quote: Originally posted by MarkG death can not be reversed. life imprisonment can.

How do you give someone back the years you wrongly took from them?

	03-08-2002 10:44									#264
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 good night asher. read your own posts. c u later.

My posts in a thread about death penalty says nothing about what I care about people around me.

Perhaps you shouldn't be so judgemental.

	03-08-2002 10:46									#265
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

quote: How do you give someone back the years you wrongly took from them?

lots of young women?

definately easier than giving someone back his life

now will you let me log off?

	03-08-2002 10:47									#266
	Increase the size of your Attachments

quote: Originally posted by MrFun Ok, now I remember why I rarely participated in threads about the United States that are initiated by Mark. I lost track . . . . . where was this going, and WHAT is the topic??

rofl

i'll support the dp if 5 people buy something from the store today

	03-08-2002 10:48									#267
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

make that 10. i fear some people might be persuaded to do it

	03-08-2002 10:51									#268
	Increase the size of your Attachments

267 posts of actual discussion in 5 hours
0.89 per minute

	03-08-2002 10:52									#269
	Remove this text

quote: Originally posted by Asher My posts in a thread about death penalty says nothing about what I care about people around me. Perhaps you shouldn't be so judgemental.

Asher -- surely you're aware that there are people poor at debating or arguing, who use strawman arguments.

	03-08-2002 10:58									#270
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by MarkG yes, in turkey they keep a publicized ordered list of their enemies)[/i]

At least Tricky Dicky had the sense to keep his secret.