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more bbc
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What may in the end prove even more telling, however, is the result of a study by the Columbia School of Law in New York.
After examining every capital punishment case passing through the appeal courts between 1973 and 1995 its lawyers found that seven out of 10 death sentences were reversed because of serious error in the original trials.
To its authors the study suggests that America's capital punishment system is breaking down under the weight of its own mistakes. They point out that an appeals process burdened with the task of catching so much error is hugely expensive. Also it takes an inordinate amount of time.
Clearly nearly 70% of America's 3,700 death row inmates should never have been sent there. And although not more than about one in 10 will ever be executed, the wrongly sentenced are having to wait for anything from 10 to 18 years to be told of their fate. That's not unusual, and it is certainly cruel. |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/audiovid...ent/1168496.stm |
I fail to see anything mentioned that suggests that waiting on death row is any more cruel and unusual than standard Max Security prison.
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Jon Miller
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a report in Sunday's Chicago Tribune found that of the 131 executions in Texas since Bush became governor in 1995, defense attorneys for 40 inmates presented just one witness - or no evidence at all - during the sentencing phase. |
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In one controversial case, death row inmate Calvin Burdine is fighting to overturn his 1983 conviction on the grounds that his court-appointed lawyer slept through much of his two-day trial. |
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000...ain204610.shtml |
And if they are found to be wrongly convicted, they will be let off free. You have just shown that there our Justince system is not perfect (and we know that no EU country has these types of problems). That fails to show that Innocent people are routinely executed. Unlike many other nations, our prisoners have chance after chance after chance to show that they are innocent after they are convicted. We do not execute people lightly.
And yes, it is not governmental groups who are always doing the fighting for the criminals, but that just shows that our people are active in the process (As they should be).
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Originally posted by Asher
This is getting really, really pathetic, Mark.
You're not even citing articles to support your original statement.
Now you're citing articles which are supposed to make us think a trial is flawed because the DEFENSE only had 1 witness or something? wtf? |
never thought you'd be so in favor of the death penalty asher. canada is just a funny silly america, i see it clearly
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:21
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Originally posted by paiktis22
im sorry for you  |
Why? The crime rate in the suburbs is comparable to Europe, the incomes are higher, the taxes are lower, the weather is nicer.
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with your recent identity crisis perhaps? id be willing to defend san marino too but were talking about the EU - US. |
I'm trying to figure out where you're going with this, and whether I need to explain myself again.
I'm a dual citizen, born and currently live in Canada. Have lived in the States, will live in the States after I graduate again.
But what does this have to do with me saying Canada has a lower crime rate than the US? Why did you tell me I had to "choose between being american and canadian" because of that?
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and if you are you can use it without taking the lives of inocents just to swollen your wallet. |
Um...there's more to it than that.
Many groups don't like how the US supports Group A. The only real solution is for the US to go isolationist.
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oversimplified thing to say, used to "justify" why the half the world wants you dead or at least not breathing (answer = youve ****ed with them) not you, the americans but its the same as canadian, as i see  |
When you become powerful you end up stepping on SOMEONE's toes in some way. Even when being isolationist you take flak because "you're not helping the fellow man".
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Originally posted by MarkG
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There are currently 160 people on death row in Illinois. Since capital punishment was reinstated in 1977, the state has handed down 263 death sentences and executed 12 inmates. During this same period, 13 individuals have been exonerated and released from death row after they were shown to have been wrongfully convicted. Of the 263 death sentences, about 60 percent were reversed due to police or prosecutorial misconduct, inadequate counsel or mistaken identity |
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/a.../illi-a27.shtml |
MarkG, you are showing nothing, None of these posts even suggest that someone was wrongfully executed. All it shows is that the US justice system sometimes makes mistakes, but that there are checks that counteract those mistakes (always before they get finalised!!).
The only they I can see your posts arguing for is for no prisons or justice system in the US at all. That idea is laughable, but if you are arguing for it, at least say so.
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MarkG
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Grand Lord of Apolyton, Owner of all this land as far as the eye can see
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canada is anti-dp
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- Contrary to predictions by death penalty supporters, the homicide rate in Canada did not increase after abolition in 1976. In fact, the Canadian murder rate declined slightly the following year (from 2.8 per 100,000 to 2.7). Over the next 20 years the homicide rated
fluctuated (between 2.2 and 2.8 per 100,000), but the general trend was clearly downwards. It reached a 30-year low in 1995 (1.98) --the fourth consecutive year-to-year decrease and a full one-third lower than in the year before abolition. In 1998, the homicide rate
dipped below 1.9 per 100,000, the lowest rate since the 1960s.
- The overall conviction rate for first-degree murder doubled in the decade following abolition (from under 10% to approximately 20%), suggesting that Canadian juries are more willing to convict for murder now that they are not compelled to make life-and-death decisions. |
http://ccadp.org/deathpenalty-canada.htm
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Or you are killed because they don't like what you do, or what race you are, or who you beleive in
people disliking you does not mean that you are in the wrong and that they are entirely justified disliking you
you cannot be that simpleminded Paiktis
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