19-08-2002 08:42									#61
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New York pizza is the best in the world, I feel so lucky to be in this city!

Pizza is American, just like the hamburger.

	19-08-2002 08:49									#62
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Pizza is Italian. You ever say it is American... I will personally buy a Tank and run into your house with it.

	19-08-2002 08:57									#63
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It's like the Chinese and pasta.

Sure, they invented it, but the Italians took it and made it a world-wide food associated with their culture.

Same thing with pizza. The Italians may have invented it (though the Greeks should get partial credit, too), but America took pizza, popularized it and gave it to the rest of the world. It's an American institution.

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	19-08-2002 08:58									#64
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Uh no, the Italians took pasta and made it good to fit their standards.

quote: The Italians may have invented it (though the Greeks should get partial credit, too), but America took pizza, popularized it and gave it to the rest of the world. It's an American institution.

The americans on the other hand took pizza and ruined it. It is purely an italian institution and never belonged to the Americans.

	19-08-2002 09:03									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Uh no, the Italians took pasta and made it good to fit their standards.

And that's different from what I said how?

It is indisputable that pasta was brought to Europe from China by the Italians. They popularized it in the Western world.

quote: The americans on the other hand took pizza and ruined it. It is purely an italian institution and never belonged to the Americans.

Pizza as it is known to most of the world (outside of Italy) isn't the Italian creation, it's the American incarnation.

Anyway, considering your tastes in all other matters, I'm gonna just have to disregard your opinion on what makes good pizza and what doesn't.

	19-08-2002 09:06									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov And that's different from what I said how?

It isn't. I was just adding a small point.

quote: Pizza as it is known to most of the world (outside of Italy) isn't the Italian creation, it's the American incarnation.

No it is not. American pizza = garbage. Sorry but that is the way it is.

quote: Anyway, considering your tastes in all other matters, I'm gonna just have to disregard your opinion on what makes good pizza and what doesn't.

Or who makes good pizza. Italians make good pizza, Americans on the other hand... I am sorry but Americans should stick to hamburgers.

	19-08-2002 09:12									#67
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quote: It's like the Chinese and pasta. Sure, they invented it, but the Italians took it and made it a world-wide food associated with their culture.

actually, the chinese/easians pretty much only did noodles. and that's still associated with the orient.

but che's right, chicago pizza is good. very filling...
lotta spectacular places make it, too. eduardo's, pizza uno, etc.

	19-08-2002 09:27									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Fez It isn't. I was just adding a small point.

Then why did you start the sentence with "Uh no?"

quote: No it is not. American pizza = garbage. Sorry but that is the way it is.

That's your opinion, which you're entitled to, but the fact that American pizza is what became popularized throughout the world is indisputable. That has nothing to do with the quality of the pizza, just the historical fact of how it was spread.

quote: actually, the chinese/easians pretty much only did noodles. and that's still associated with the orient.

Hmm, I dunno about that...at least in Western nations, noodles are associated most often with spaghetti and other Italian dishes.

	19-08-2002 09:32									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Then why did you start the sentence with "Uh no?"

Well sorry about that. I need to go to sleep...

quote: That's your opinion, which you're entitled to, but the fact that American pizza is what became popularized throughout the world is indisputable.

It is?

You can say it is indisputable but that is your opinion

quote: That has nothing to do with the quality of the pizza, just the historical fact of how it was spread.

Pizza was spread from Italy and made popular from there. People often assoicate pizza with Italy, not America.

	19-08-2002 09:44									#70
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Fez: Pizza was confined to Italy (mostly the peasantry) and certain ethnically Italian neighborhoods in American cities until World War 2. After the war, returning G.I.s who had eaten it in Italy wanted to have it in the U.S., and that led to the rise of pizza as an American institution. It became quite popular and you saw the rise of pizzarias all over cities and national pizza chains.

It was after that when pizza spread, in its American form, back to other European countries like France, Britain and Germany, as well as to other regions of the world.

Only recently has true "neopolitan" pizza, which is essentially what NY pizza is, been becoming common in areas outside Italy. Up until a few years ago, such pizza would be confined to "gourmet" Italian restaurants only.

	19-08-2002 11:46									#71
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara No, smoked mozarella is smoked mozarella. Provolone is aged mozarella.

I looked it up as well. Different source. Besides I can taste the smoking.

Then again it could be the variety I buy.

http://www.dairyfarmers.org/engl/recipes/4_1_1_1_50.asp

quote: Varieties: mild; medium; sharp; smoked.

I most buy cheeses from here though:

http://www.traderjoes.com/

They don't mention provolone on the site at the moment. Depends on what they are pushing in the Fearless Flyer.

	19-08-2002 15:59									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Fez You got to be kidding. If I had a choice I would eat real Italian pizza any day, any time.

I must say I´m dissapointed. When I was in Genua I ate traditional italian pizza. tasted ok, but nothing extraordinary... They make better Italian pizzas in Sweden

	19-08-2002 16:03									#73
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	19-08-2002 16:12									#74
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Best pizzas are in Rome (where else?)

And pasta was brought to the italians by the greeks. (although this is not known, so I forgive the ignorance).

	19-08-2002 22:19									#75
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Best pizzas are in Rome (where else?) And pasta was brought to the italians by the greeks. (although this is not known, so I forgive the ignorance).

And there was me thinking Marco Polo brought it back from China, in noodle form.

Seriously though, I thought it was the arabs who brought it to places like Malta and Sicily.

	19-08-2002 22:25									#76
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Pizza is American, Fez... and Chicago style is the best!

The worst would be pizza from St. Louis. They put pineapples, cheddar cheese and all sorts of weird shyt on their pizza there. Personally, I prefer cheese, sausage, or occasionally pepperoni. Every once in a while I'll make a hamburger pizza (ground beef and onions), and a mexican pizza (beef, refried beans, tomatoes, peppers, cheddar, jack, pablano, and chihuahua cheeses).

	19-08-2002 22:30									#77
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Best pizza I ever had in my life was in Centerville, Ohio.

	19-08-2002 23:37									#78
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Pizza is italian.

quote: I must say I´m dissapointed. When I was in Genua I ate traditional italian pizza. tasted ok, but nothing extraordinary... They make better Italian pizzas in Sweden

You were probably in the wrong area. My dad is Sicilian, and in in that area you find real pizza.

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anything really....I dont like anchovies though..well ive never really TRIED them, but..I think I can live the rest of my life. never having tried them.

canadian bacon pineapple..nummmmy

pepperoni mushroom, onions, bell pepper, black olives, canadian bacon, beef...

its whatever..
the more veggies the better...

	19-08-2002 23:49									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Fez My dad is Sicilian, and in in that area you find real pizza.

Hah! Sicilians aren't real Italians. They're Greeks who speek Italian. Real Italians come from the Center and North of Italy.

	19-08-2002 23:53									#81
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Che: That is one low, offensive statement to make.

	19-08-2002 23:59									#83
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You make fun of who I am... tells how hypocritical you really are... Sicilians make real pizza, not some fat Americans.

	20-08-2002 00:02									#84
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Most of the "Fat Americans" i see making pizza here happen to be Italian Americans, so watch your mouth, Spaniard.

	20-08-2002 00:03									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Most of the "Fat Americans" i see making pizza here happen to be Italian Americans, so watch your mouth, Spaniard.

Yeah right.

Also the only person who calls me "spaniard" in such a harsh manner is Speer.

	20-08-2002 00:16									#86
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I'm teasing you, Fez don't get your undies in an uproar.

	20-08-2002 00:19									#87
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Che, don't tease me. And why bold my name?

	20-08-2002 00:22									#88
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So that you see that I'm addressing you. I always do it. As for the teasing, Northern Italians and Southern Italians always rib each other.

	20-08-2002 00:23									#89
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Fez, there are a LOT of Italian-Americans.

However I used work next to a place that better pizza than those crappy chains like Numero Uno. It was a Korean shop. Not great pizza but better than chain pizza.

Of course New Yorkers have this idea that only New York has good pizza. Some think its the water. How that would that be better in the concrete jungle of New York than in, say LA, where much of the water is from the Sierra Nevadas is another question.

I do know of one possible cause that might actualy effect the quality though. A lot of New York pizza shops apparently use coal fired ovens. You can't even get coal in California. I have seen lump of anthracite in my life and it was part of my rock collection. If you could get it you wouldn't be allowed to burn in Southern California anyway. Even the barbeque shops have forced to get scrubbers for the smoke.

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quote: Originally posted by Ethelred Fez, there are a LOT of Italian-Americans.

There are millions of us.

Ethelred, the difference in regions has to do more with the style than anything else. Outside of Chicago and NYC, pizza tends to be rather bready or uses inferior cheese. It is possible to find decent pizza if you hunt. In this backwater little town in Northern Wisconsin I found a pretty good pie once. Here in Florida though, it all pretty much is vile.

In the big cities, you're more likley to find slate or brick ovens, which are really what you need to make a quality pie.