20-08-2002 00:28									#91
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Ethel, I don't know what it is but the pizza has never tasted good for me in the US. That is just my experience. I have been to New york several times when driving up to some relatives who live in Connecticut.

Also Che, don't bother me anymore... sure I might be Sicilian, but that does not give you a license to harass me.

	20-08-2002 00:32									#92
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Italians know how to make fun of ourselves. Lighten up, kid.

	20-08-2002 00:36									#93
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Che: Ha. Ha. I am a sensitive person... not some person who is like a sponge and can take harassment like that.

	20-08-2002 00:42									#94
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Pizza is italian. You were probably in the wrong area. My dad is Sicilian, and in in that area you find real pizza.

Perhaps... The farthest south I´ve been is Rome Where I ate some excellent pizza btw...

	20-08-2002 00:43									#95
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Fez, don't dish it out if you can't take it. Next thing you know he'll be claiming that hamburgers and hot dogs aren't American either.

	20-08-2002 00:46									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Fez, don't dish it out if you can't take it. Next thing you know he'll be claiming that hamburgers and hot dogs aren't American either.

I don't really know the origin of hamburgers or hot dogs.

But pizza isn't american...

	20-08-2002 00:49									#97
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That just shows what you know about American culture, DIDLY! Pizza was originally an Italian creation during the early 20th Century. But as with most things American, it evolved from its ethnic roots to become part of American culture. Fez, stick to spouting conservative propoganda; you obviously know little about America.

	20-08-2002 00:52									#98
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quote: But pizza isn't american...

maybe not in origin, but trust me, in asia, they got the americanized version of it.

just like how others said: it may be italian, but it was the american version that got sent every which way.

somebody quote this, fex has me on his ignore.

	20-08-2002 00:54									#99
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Maybe it is part of American culture but it is also part of Italian culture. That is something you never will change.

I prefer not to know anything about the US because I don't care. When it comes to war on terror I stand with the US, I also like Bush. BTW, don't say America because America refers to South America, Central America, North America... be more specific.

Spouting Conservative propaganda? When the **** was I spouting any of that?

You need to work out your issues, Sava.

	20-08-2002 00:57									#100
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quote: BTW, don't say America because America refers to South America, Central America, North America... be more specific.

commonly accepted usage has it that when people refer to America, the generally mean the USA; when people refer to the Americas, they refer to the two continents.

besides, sava doesn't have as many issues in terms of debating skills, fex.

	20-08-2002 00:59									#101
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laff.... I laff at thee silly boy...

To be precise, pizza started in ancient Greece. It consisted of flat bread, tomatoes, and cheese. Pizza is not solely American and it is not solely Italian. Each country and region has their own style of pizza.

laff... silly boy... I wasn't aware that when somebody says "American" you get all confused and think about South America. The term "American" is generally used to describe people from the United States. I haven't heard such a stupid argument... and really I'm surprised that you would stoop so low as to argue about symantics.

Not specifically in this thread, Fez, but you generally spout conservative propoganda wherever you go. It follows you like a foul stench, eminating from your pores.

	20-08-2002 00:59									#102
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quote: commonly accepted usage has it that when people refer to America, the generally mean the USA; when people refer to the Americas, they refer to the two continents.

That is ignorant. America refers to Central America, South America and North America and always has.

quote: besides, sava doesn't have as many issues in terms of debating skills, fex.

It is fez.

	20-08-2002 01:01									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Sava To be precise, pizza started in ancient Greece. It consisted of flat bread, tomatoes, and cheese. Pizza is not solely American and it is not solely Italian. Each country and region has their own style of pizza.

Yup, and I had greek pizza before... it was pretty good.

quote: laff... silly boy... I wasn't aware that when somebody says "American" you get all confused and think about South America. The term "American" is generally used to describe people from the United States. I haven't heard such a stupid argument... and really I'm surprised that you would stoop so low as to argue about symantics.

I was just being a nitpicking person....

quote: Not specifically in this thread, Fez, but you generally spout conservative propoganda wherever you go. It follows you like a foul stench, eminating from your pores.

You cannot bring it up where I haven't brought it up. That is spamming.

	20-08-2002 01:19									#104
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Nobody ever believes me when I tell them this, but I've found that Purina's Super Supper for Cats makes a great pizza topping. Just smear it all over the slice of pizza, then stick it in the toaster oven for a few minutes. Yummy.

	20-08-2002 01:25									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Fez, don't dish it out if you can't take it. Next thing you know he'll be claiming that hamburgers and hot dogs aren't American either.

Actually If IIRC hamburgers are a German invention... The poor and the lower classes ate fried shredded low-quality beef wich they seasoned with herbs and spices as early as the 14th century. They apparently got it from the russian tartars (who ate the beef raw, hence the name Beef Tartar ) In Hamburg it aquired the name 'Hamburg Steak' and german immigrants took this 'Hamburg steak' to the US in the 19th century. And the rest is as they say, history...

The hot dog is also a german invention, according to 'History of the Hot Dog'

quote: As it turns out, it is likely that the North American hot dog comes from a widespread common European sausage brought here by butchers of several nationalities. Also in doubt is who first served the sausage with a roll. One report says a German immigrant sold them, along with milk rolls and sauerkraut, from a push cart in New York City's Bowery during the 1860's. In 1871, Charles Feltman, a German butcher opened up the first Coney Island hot dog stand selling 3,684 sausages in a milk roll during his first year in business.

Amazing what you can find on the Internet if you´re looking...

	20-08-2002 01:26									#106
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Kamrat--but, like pizza, the Germans may have invented those, but America popularized them for the world.

Which is too bad about hotdogs...bleargh!

	20-08-2002 01:46									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Sava To be precise, pizza started in ancient Greece. It consisted of flat bread, tomatoes, and cheese.

Eerr, not likely as tomatoes were not introduced in Europe until 1544 (according to medevial botanist Matthiolus). The conquistadores brought them back from Mexico and Peru (where they´d been cultivated for hundreds of years)

And the Egyptians were eating the bread, seasoned with olive oil and native spices as early as 2000 BC. This was apparently to celebrate the birthday of the pharao. The Babylonians, Israelites and the greeks also ate similar bread.

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	20-08-2002 01:54									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Kamrat--but, like pizza, the Germans may have invented those, but America popularized them for the world. Which is too bad about hotdogs...bleargh!

Yes, I can agree with hamburgers and hot dogs. But pizza spread in Europe from Italy. Not the US! In Sweden it came via Italian immigrants that came to work in the booming swedish industrial sector in the post WWII period.

It´s likely that pizza spread to the rest of the world from the states though...

But we´ARE talking origin here (well, I am...)

	20-08-2002 03:57									#109
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quote: That is ignorant. America refers to Central America, South America and North America and always has.

i didn't say it was a good practice. i just said it was a commonly accepted usage.

i thought you were ignoring me, fex, what happened?

	20-08-2002 04:02									#110
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Boris, it seems like you are trying to say the US is superior to other countries?

Damn it Q, it is Fez, not fex.... do you know how to spell?

	20-08-2002 04:19									#111
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quote: Originally posted by Fez That is ignorant. America refers to Central America, South America and North America and always has.

So Fez if you won't call Citizens of the United States of America Americans that what barely pronouncable circumlocation do you use. USians. United Statesians howabout UnitedstatesiansofNorthamericnottobeconusedwithest
adosunidosdemexioians.

We are called Americans because the the name of our nation is just a tad awkward to use.

And most of us ain't bloody Yanks. Thats people from the North East.

	20-08-2002 04:23									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Gastric ReFlux Nobody ever believes me when I tell them this, but I've found that Purina's Super Supper for Cats makes a great pizza topping. Just smear it all over the slice of pizza, then stick it in the toaster oven for a few minutes. Yummy.

I don't want to believe you. I don't even want to know how you came up with this. I can't even figure out why cats eat cat food. That you would try this says terrible terrible things about you as a person.

	20-08-2002 04:41									#113
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quote: And most of us ain't bloody Yanks. Thats people from the North East.

	20-08-2002 04:42									#114
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quote: Damn it Q, it is Fez, not fex.... do you know how to spell?

fex, fex, fex... i know it's fez, fex. i'm doing it for purely selfish pleasure. besides, if you wanted to be anal about it, you could insist that i capitalize it properly as Fex...

besides, you put in one too many periods in your ellipsis.

then again, why do you care what i'm saying? i thought you had me on ignore? did something happen to that list? are my posts just that interesting? are my grammar and spelling just too irresistable for you to (incorrectly) lampoon?

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anyway. it's a commonly accepted practice to refer to natives of the united states of america as americans, whether it's technically correct to do so or not. in fact, a lot of euro derogatory terms (such as "amis", used in germany) refer only to those of the us, not to the rest of the americas... and there's no confusion about the victims of such a slur.

quote: But pizza spread in Europe from Italy. Not the US!

very true. i'm not denying that. but it didn't get popular in asia because of italians-- it got popular because of american influence, which is why the americanized version of pizza is the kind they have there.

	20-08-2002 04:45									#115
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Say what you wish, Q Cubex... it is all your opinion.

And I can put in as many ****ing periods as I wish.................... enough?

Enough with nitpicking every little mistake I make. You obviously have no grounds to make such judgement.

	20-08-2002 04:52									#116
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quote: Say what you wish, Q Cubex... it is all your opinion. And I can put in as many ****ing periods as I wish.................... enough? Enough with nitpicking every little mistake I make. You obviously have no grounds to make such judgement.

you still haven't answered my question: what happened to you ignoring me? fex, fex, fex, fex... will that make you ignore me again?

oh, go ahead, put in all the "****ing periods" you want, i don't really care all that much. i'm only nitpicking you because you tried doing that to me a few threads ago, without any basis whatsoever.

until you provide me with a complete breakdown of why that sentence failed, i'll nitpick all i want. and you can ignore me all you want, that won't stop me from doing it (at least, until i get bored with it... which won't be for a while...).

anyway, what happened to the basic idea of the thread? i'm still waiting your response...

	20-08-2002 04:54									#117
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It is Fez.

If you continue this I will contact Ming. I am sorry because I hate being the one telling on other people but sometimes these people cross the line.

JUST **** OFF FOR ONCE.

	20-08-2002 04:57									#118
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go ahead, tell. i still have the messages and all the insults you hurled at me before-- i have a case too, you know.

let's get back to pizza, and its origins, shall we?

can we all agree that while italy made it popular in the us and in europe, it was america that made it popular in the rest of the world?

and can we all agree that within the united states alone, chicago and new york pizzas are pretty much the best?

	20-08-2002 04:59									#119
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Not only for pizzas, but also most other bread-based products.

	20-08-2002 05:01									#120
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quote: can we all agree that while italy made it popular in the us and in europe, it was america that made it popular in the rest of the world?

I wouldn't know as I have never been in Asia. In Argentina, pizza was made popular by Italians who came here in the early part of the 20th century. Same for Chile.

quote: and can we all agree that within the united states alone, chicago and new york pizzas are pretty much the best?

They probably do make the best there out of all US pizza (but that is only in the US).