19-08-2002 20:09									#61
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were not doing all the tiles yet, epi, and you cant own water anyway.

i bid $200 each on
012
013
014

these will be longterm investments.

edit: not 015

Last edited by jdd2007 on 20-08-2002 at 00:14

	19-08-2002 20:13									#62
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You can't own water? Let me guess, you don't live on the coast. Buy a plot, and have exclusive fishing rights. Lobster harvesting, a host of other things.

Water tiles are vital to the game as much as any other. A city with a harbor and offshore platform is not to have its whale or fish square laughed at.

	19-08-2002 20:23									#63
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You cannot buy sea as you buy lands, but you should be able to be granted exclusive fishing rights at a price determined as it is for lands. Theoretically, it should be the same for mines, unless the owner of the land owns also what is under the surface, which is rarely the case.

	19-08-2002 20:34									#64
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Well you can't own land either. Shouldn't we have a tax on every square, depending on supply and demand of land squares?

	19-08-2002 20:52									#65
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jdd, there is a limit of three squares.

	20-08-2002 00:11									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Franses Sou you found out, Kloreep? I hate you! Since I always stick to my first impulse, I bid $1200 for 006 (Apolyton NW11).

Hmm...

Oh, what the heck, it's just a beta. I bid $1300 for 006 Apolyton NW11.

	20-08-2002 00:40									#67
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Project (once for sale signs show up)
and culture expands
and we own the french

Attachment: epistan.jpg
This has been downloaded 41 time(s).

	20-08-2002 01:28									#68
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I bid $1100 for 001.

So, just to clarify, we can't bid more than $1000 unless we are only bidding on one tile? Or is it that you can only bid $1000 or more for one tile and you can bid less than $1000 for two other tiles? Why don't we set it as a 2-3 tile limit and forget the $ limit since if you bid too much you'll end up with negative $ anyway.

	20-08-2002 01:42									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Kloreep Hmm... Oh, what the heck, it's just a beta. I bid $1300 for 006 Apolyton NW11.

I knew it. I knew it. I knew it.
*Franses looks into his wallet to see if there is anything left. Finds a lousy $20 worth of bana's.

I bid $1320 for 006 Apolyton NW11

Oops. I am logged in at my sons machine using his alias. This is really a bid from Franses. Sorry if this gives any confusion.

	20-08-2002 01:49									#70
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Just to confirm my bid of $1320 for 006 Apolyton NW11

	20-08-2002 02:40									#71
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt Bids to date! Updated..........

001 NYE $1000
......GhengisFarb $1100
002 MrWIA $1000
003 Jonny $1200
004 Spiffor $500
005
006 Franses $1320
......Kloreep $1300
......Darth Viper $1320
007
008 civman2000 $1000
009 Epistax $350
010
011 Rendelnep $1020
012 Epistax $250
......jdd2007 $200
013 UnOrthOdOx $250
......jdd2007 $200
014 UnOrthOdOx $200
......jdd2007 $200
015
016
017
018 Sheik $200
019
020
021 Sheik $200
022
023
024
025
026
027
028
029 Kman $1500

	20-08-2002 03:34									#72
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hmmm...i guess I'll try this out...I bid $1000 on 008

	20-08-2002 04:19									#73
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Here are the current lands on AUCTION and the minimum/current bids:

NOTE: I renamed the 3's: 3a and 3b.
Currently winning bidder in bold green.

001 Apolyton N (horse, grass, rd), $1000
....$1100...GhengisFarb
....$1000...NYE
002 Apolyton NE (mined grass rd), $1000
....$1000...MrWIA
003a Apolyton SW (forest, rd), $1200
....$1200...Jonny
003b Apolyton W (forest, rd), $1200

004 Apolyton NW (grass), $500
....$500...Spiffor
005 Apolyton NW10 (mined forest rd), $1200

006 Apolyton NW11 (mined grass rd), $1000
....$1320...Franses
....$1320...Darth Viper
....$1300...Kloreep
007 Apolyton NW12 (mined grass rd), $1000

008 Apolyton NE1 (mined grass rd), $1000
....$1000...civman2000
009 Termina N (jungle), $200
....$350...Epistax
010 Termina NE (mined grass rd), $1000

011 Termina E (mined grass rd), $1000
....$1020...Rendelnep
012 Termina NW (jungle), $200
....$250...UnOrthOdOx
013 Termina NE1 (jungle), $200
....$250...UnOrthOdOx
014 Termina NE2 (jungle), $200
....$250...UnOrthOdOx
015 Termina NE3 (jungle), $200

016 Tassagrad N (mined grass rd), $1000

017 Tassagrad NE (jungle), $200

018 Tassagrad SE (jungle), $200
....$200...Sheik
019 Tassagrad S (grass rd, mine?), $1000

020 Tassagrad SW (mined grass rd), $1000

021 Tassagrad W (jungle), $200
....$200...Shiek
022 Tassagrad NW (jungle), $200

023 Tassagrad NW10 (jungle), $200
....$250...jdd2007
024 Tassagrad NW11 (jungle), $200
....$250...jdd2007
025 Tassagrad NW12 (jungle), $200
....$250...jdd2007
026 BHQ N (mountain), $200

027 BHQ NE (jungle), $200

028 BHQ S (jungle), $200

029 BHQ SW (mined grass rd river), $1500
....$1500...Kman
030 BHQ W (mined grass rd river), $1500

031 BHQ NW (mined grass river), $1500

quote: Notes: There has got to be an easier way to do this with tiles. If only I could edit the image and number the tiles. That would be easier.

I think we should have a screen pic with the tile numbers on it and one without. Should have the grid set to on. That way you can see which tile you are bidding on and what is at that tile.

	20-08-2002 04:23									#74
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Is there no way we can get exact coordinates for the tiles? such as tile (50,23)? That would be much.. well... better.

	20-08-2002 04:29									#75
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I disagree. Does civ3 even show the coordinates?

	20-08-2002 04:30									#76
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Separate reply as I didn't want it to get lost in the jumble, I would like to apply for either Market Assessor or Government Agent.

	20-08-2002 04:31									#77
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i withdraw my bids on all auctions and bid $250 for

023
024
025

	20-08-2002 05:31									#78
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Here are the current lands on AUCTION and the minimum/current bids: NOTE: I renamed the 3's: 3a and 3b. Currently winning bidder in bold green. 001 Apolyton N (horse, grass, rd), $1000 ....$1100...GhengisFarb ....$1000...NYE 002 Apolyton NE (mined grass rd), $1000 ....$1000...MrWIA 003a Apolyton SW (forest, rd), $1200 ....$1200...Jonny 003b Apolyton W (forest, rd), $1200 004 Apolyton NW (grass), $500 ....$500...Spiffor 005 Apolyton NW10 (mined forest rd), $1200 006 Apolyton NW11 (mined grass rd), $1000 ....$1320...Franses ....$1320...Darth Viper ....$1300...Kloreep 007 Apolyton NW12 (mined grass rd), $1000 008 Apolyton NE1 (mined grass rd), $1000 ....$1000...civman2000 009 Termina N (jungle), $200 ....$350...Epistax 010 Termina NE (mined grass rd), $1000 011 Termina E (mined grass rd), $1000 ....$1020...Rendelnep 012 Termina NW (jungle), $200 ....$250...UnOrthOdOx 013 Termina NE1 (jungle), $200 ....$250...UnOrthOdOx 014 Termina NE2 (jungle), $200 ....$250...UnOrthOdOx 015 Termina NE3 (jungle), $200 016 Tassagrad N (mined grass rd), $1000 017 Tassagrad NE (jungle), $200 018 Tassagrad SE (jungle), $200 ....$200...Sheik 019 Tassagrad S (grass rd, mine?), $1000 020 Tassagrad SW (mined grass rd), $1000 021 Tassagrad W (jungle), $200 ....$200...Shiek 022 Tassagrad NW (jungle), $200 023 Tassagrad NW10 (jungle), $200 ....$250...jdd2007 024 Tassagrad NW11 (jungle), $200 ....$250...jdd2007 025 Tassagrad NW12 (jungle), $200 ....$250...jdd2007 026 BHQ N (mountain), $200 027 BHQ NE (jungle), $200 028 BHQ S (jungle), $200 029 BHQ SW (mined grass rd river), $1500 ....$1500...Kman 030 BHQ W (mined grass rd river), $1500 031 BHQ NW (mined grass river), $1500 I think we should have a screen pic with the tile numbers on it and one without. Should have the grid set to on. That way you can see which tile you are bidding on and what is at that tile.

Uh, no. I bid 250 on 13 and 200 on 14 at this time. When does this end?

	20-08-2002 05:43									#79
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Yeah I've got 250 on NW of termina


Thought about doing this through PHP?

	20-08-2002 05:44									#80
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I feel so alone, at the bottom of the list....

	20-08-2002 05:46									#81
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quote: Second try here it is. Here is a map with the prices listed. I think red shows up best, comments welcomed. Aggie has attached this image:

I am trying to repost aggies map. It is quite helpful if you know the system. Its on the 2nd page. I also thik the present system is better than the actual grid coordinate system, because I dunno how to tell which grid square is of what coordinate

Kman

	20-08-2002 05:49									#82
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I think I bid $1,200 on 005, but I still can't find the said property on the map, so that might change before bidding ends if I figure out where it is and why no one else seems to want it . (If anyone can post a map with the numbers on the slots, I know it might be a bit of work, but I'm finding it impossible to figure out, even after reading Kloreep's explanation... just won't click somehow :/)

-- adaMada

	20-08-2002 06:04									#83
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Hi everyone, thanks for helping out with the auction!

Aggie, thanks for the screenshot with prices.
If someone can post a screenie with tile #'s on it, that would be good.

I don't know if civ 3 has coords, but that would make it easier I suspect.

Jonny, UnOrtho, thanks for renaming the # tiles 3a and3b. I 'll update the original. MrWIA for the list.

Davout, I know what you're saying, and perhaps for the next game we can reconfigure, but the problem is that in our role (as primarily sellers rather than buyers) waste should be harmful to our profits, instead of advantageous. Unless you can think of a good and simple-to-understand solution, we'll stick with this for the beta.

As for local markets, yes, I agree. City-by-city may be too difficult, and how to determine which overlapped tiles belong to which city (esp. if they're not being currently worked)? So regionally, we can do this and that's probably best, as you suggested. Thing is, for this beta, we're only going to do ONE region. Later, in expanding this, we can go to more, but I want to playtest a ONE region market before going into dynamics between markets. There are some who were saying tis too complex, so we'll start simple and easy, and move towards something richer once we've become familiarized.

Everyone is doing a wonderful job of helping this game take off.

I didn't mention this, but the auction bids should probably have $20 as a minimum bid increase - which I think you've already voluntary established.

Epi, if I knew PHP or even what that meant, I could look into it.

Auction ends in 3 days. No set time to prevent somoen from trying to slide in a bid at the last second. Instead, we'll leave it a bit vague so people are sure to bid early. I will announce details later. Hope that's okay for now.

	20-08-2002 06:10									#84
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quote: Originally posted by adaMada I think I bid $1,200 on 005, but I still can't find the said property on the map, so that might change before bidding ends if I figure out where it is and why no one else seems to want it . (If anyone can post a map with the numbers on the slots, I know it might be a bit of work, but I'm finding it impossible to figure out, even after reading Kloreep's explanation... just won't click somehow :/) -- adaMada

I thin there might be an error on that property, though Ill go back and double check, i could be making a mistake myself. one sec

	20-08-2002 06:17									#85
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quote: 005 Apolyton NW10 (mined forest rd), $1200

ok, if i understand the system correctly, the tile that is NW10 should be the tile on the map that is western most under Apolyton's territory. That square is 1000 dollars on the map, and is a grassland, mind, road; not a mined forest road. The only mined forest road tile that is northwest of Apolyton could only be NW12, but I am not certain if that tile is forested or grassland - so that might not be it either. There may have been a mistake made in describing the square, or something. Again, I could perhaps be completely wrong....

	20-08-2002 06:23									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Kramerman ok, if i understand the system correctly, the tile that is NW10 should be the tile on the map that is western most under Apolyton's territory. That square is 1000 dollars on the map, and is a grassland, mind, road; not a mined forest road. The only mined forest road tile that is northwest of Apolyton could only be NW12, but I am not certain if that tile is forested or grassland - so that might not be it either. There may have been a mistake made in describing the square, or something. Again, I could perhaps be completely wrong....

Ah, ok, thanks. Still not sure how you get that specific tile, but at least I can see it now (I think I was confused by the fact that I was looking for the wrong thing :-/).

I'll wait until someone's figured out where exactly the error occured before I decide if I'll be changing my bid...

Thanks again!

-- adaMada

	20-08-2002 06:38									#87
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I made two sample grids I could think of. I actually like the 2nd one much more than the first.


First

Second

Sorry if the colors are bad, labeled many squares so you could get the idea.


EDIT second link broken

	20-08-2002 08:13									#88
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Genghis,

Sure, which would you like to be?
Salary negotiable.

I'll remain government agent until the end of the auction. Then you can take over if you want. Or you can be Market Assessor. I'm not sure if being both might be too much, but I know I won't be able to do it for much longer.

Adamada, Kman is right. It's a grass min rd, not forest. my mistake. there are only 2 forest tiles in the whole region. i will adjust it.

Epi, good work. I was confused at first, but the X-Y makes sense now.

	20-08-2002 08:14									#89
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Here are the current lands on AUCTION and the minimum/current bids:

NOTE: I renamed the 3's: 3a and 3b.
Currently winning bidder in bold green.

001 Apolyton N (horse, grass, rd), $1000
....$1100...GhengisFarb
....$1000...NYE
002 Apolyton NE (mined grass rd), $1000
....$1000...MrWIA
003a Apolyton SW (forest, rd), $1200
....$1200...Jonny
003b Apolyton W (forest, rd), $1200

004 Apolyton NW (grass), $500
....$500...Spiffor
005 Apolyton NW10 (mined forest rd), $1200

006 Apolyton NW11 (mined grass rd), $1000
....$1320...Franses
....$1320...Darth Viper
....$1300...Kloreep
007 Apolyton NW12 (mined grass rd), $1000

008 Apolyton NE1 (mined grass rd), $1000
....$1000...civman2000
009 Termina N (jungle), $200
....$350...Epistax
010 Termina NE (mined grass rd), $1000

011 Termina E (mined grass rd), $1000
....$1020...Rendelnep
012 Termina NW (jungle), $200
b]
[b]013 Termina NE1 (jungle), $200
....$250...UnOrthOdOx
014 Termina NE2 (jungle), $200
....$200...UnOrthOdOx
015 Termina NE3 (jungle), $200

016 Tassagrad N (mined grass rd), $1000

017 Tassagrad NE (jungle), $200

018 Tassagrad SE (jungle), $200
....$200...Sheik
019 Tassagrad S (grass rd, mine?), $1000

020 Tassagrad SW (mined grass rd), $1000

021 Tassagrad W (jungle), $200
....$200...Shiek
022 Tassagrad NW (jungle), $200

023 Tassagrad NW10 (jungle), $200
....$250...jdd2007
024 Tassagrad NW11 (jungle), $200
....$250...jdd2007
025 Tassagrad NW12 (jungle), $200
....$250...jdd2007
026 BHQ N (mountain), $200

027 BHQ NE (jungle), $200

028 BHQ S (jungle), $200

029 BHQ SW (mined grass rd river), $1500
....$1500...Kman
030 BHQ W (mined grass rd river), $1500

031 BHQ NW (mined grass river), $1500

	20-08-2002 08:19									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Captain Genghis, Sure, which would you like to be? Salary negotiable.

I'm not sure as I'm not completely clear on what formula the Market Assesor is supposed to use......

Should the Market Assessor be allowed to participate in the game since they are the one setting the prices?