24-08-2002 03:01									#31
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A barracks would be too much. Ubergorsk is already guarded by two veteran spearmen, and with it being on a jungle tile and guarded by a wall they have 4 defense.
I suggest that instead we upgrade the 3 warriors we have in the core cities to swordsmen and keep them on a road a little north of BHQ to assist in case either Persia, Germany or Greece decide to attack. They should be enough to stop the first wave.

	24-08-2002 03:04									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Shiber A barracks would be too much. Ubergorsk is already guarded by two veteran spearmen, and with it being on a jungle tile and guarded by a wall they have 4 defense.

But with a barracks in Ubergorsk, defending (and our resting counter-attackers) units would heal more quickly, vastly improving our chances of defending the city.

	24-08-2002 03:16									#33
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The question is - do we think that 2 veteran spearmen with 3.2 defense points (after the wall bonus + 10% defense bonus from grasslands) and a back-up team of 3 swordsmen a few turns away (we should keep them in Loveshack) can't handle Persian archers? Are we confident enough that with all these defenses barracks are still necessary that we're willing to put 40 shields into building it and 1 gpt into maintaining it once it's built?
My answer is no.

Btw I've checked, and as stated above the city is not in a jungle tile but on a grassland tile (it became a grassland when we settled on it) and so it is given a 10% defensive bonus in addition to the 50% from the wall, not 50% as I've mentioned above. Besides, jungles give the defender a 25% bonus, not 50%... I must have been very woozy when I wrote that stuff if I've made so many mistakes, lol.

	24-08-2002 04:14									#34
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It would be Persian archers if they attacked now. But it may be Persian immortals if they attack down the road. Huge difference. Plus, this city may well become a launching platform down the road (literally and figuratively), if we take on Persia someday. In that scenario, a barracks close to the battlefield would be key.

	24-08-2002 04:18									#35
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In any event (sorry about the double post) the main thrust of my original suggestion was to avoid slowing the population growth at Ubergorsk by building a worker. We should be beefing this city up as rapidly as possible -- and a large population will help bolster it against culture flipping.

	25-08-2002 19:19									#36
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hi ,

the swordman should only be upgraded when needed , ...

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	26-08-2002 01:22									#37
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quote: Originally posted by panag snip the swordman should only be upgraded when needed , ... snip

I think the time has come

	26-08-2002 01:30									#38
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A barracks in Ubergorsk would be an tremendous asset if Persia or Germany went to war with us - but that's never going to happen.

Hmm, if we had a barraks in Ubergorsk we could upgrade all those warriors in Region 3 to swordsmen.

	26-08-2002 01:35									#39
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quote: Originally posted by OPD I think the time has come

hi ,

indeed it has

the above post came before the download

those swordsman could spearhead our offensive

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	26-08-2002 04:46									#40
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Mingapulco Region War Production Summary

Ok due to the current situation I thought it would be neccesary to summarize the production capabilities of our core cities.

Spearmen and Chariots cost 20 sheilds. Horses and swords 30. I'm not sure but I think the upgrade from WC to horses is 40gp.

-Apolyton
Currently has 3 spearmen.
Prod: WC/Spears every 3 turns. Horses/swords every 5 turns.
In 5 turns it grows and then
Prod: WC/spear every 2 turns or Horse/sword every 3 turns.

-BHQ
Currently has 2 warriors
Prod: WC/Spears every 5 turns. Horses/swords every 8 turns.

-Tass
Currently has 1 spear and 1 warrior
Prod: WC/Spears every 5 turns. Horses/swords every 8 turns.
Grows in 5 turns then
Prod: WC/Spear every 4 turns. Horses/sword every 6 turns.

-Termina
Currently has 2 spears
In 2 turns it grows and then
Prod: WC/Spears every 5 turns. Horses/swords every 8 turns.

	26-08-2002 15:00									#41
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hi ,

OPD , what is the amount of money we can generate each turn , ....

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	26-08-2002 15:13									#42
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At the moment it's 25 commerce per turn. I expect it will grow to 30 in a few turns after we've secured our new French cities and quelled all resistors, unless they are managed badly and fall into civil disorder.

	26-08-2002 15:25									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Shiber At the moment it's 25 commerce per turn. I expect it will grow to 30 in a few turns after we've secured our new French cities and quelled all resistors, unless they are managed badly and fall into civil disorder.

hi ,

, and if we change governement , ...

is in this the growth included in the next turn(s) , ....

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	26-08-2002 19:38									#44
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Gearing up for full scale war. As both germany and persia decided to side against us, time to hurt them.

WIll download tonight and revise from internal growth to growth by conquest....

Domination victory anybody?

	26-08-2002 19:46									#45
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quote: Originally posted by panag hi , , and if we change governement , ... is in this the growth included in the next turn(s) , .... have a nice day

Theoretically, if we switched to Monarchy right now the extra money from lower corruption will be nullified by the money we'll have to pay to support our army (our free support will drop by 50%) so we won't make any more money than we do now. However, after the war is through and we'll have some new towns Monarchy will be the best choice.
And as stated before, republic will be a bad choice until our population grows significantly. It needs to grow by roughly 10 or 15 new citizens (not including the new citizens we'll get from the conquered towns) before republic becomes a viable choice.

	27-08-2002 01:33									#46
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bhah

WC's don't upgrade to horsemen

	27-08-2002 02:13									#47
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quote: Originally posted by OPD bhah WC's don't upgrade to horsemen

hi ,

, what if we disband them to produce an other unit , .....

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	27-08-2002 03:03									#48
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Swordsmen cost 30 shields. Disbanding a swordsman inside a city gives you 7 shields.
Hmm...
Then again, we need a fast unit that can respond to threats faster than swordsmen and can withdraw from combat, so I guess horsemen are still a better choice.

	27-08-2002 03:20									#49
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quote: Originally posted by panag , what if we disband them to produce an other unit , .....

so you think we should build war chariots and then disband them to build horsemen quicker?

	27-08-2002 03:31									#50
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quote: Originally posted by OPD so you think we should build war chariots and then disband them to build horsemen quicker?

hi ,

, nope , ....

but the ones we have just sit around and do nothing , even costing money , ... so why not use them , all except one , ... (GA)

what we also need to do is to look at the calculations and see what is the fastest way to get a unit , ...

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	27-08-2002 03:44									#51
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quote: Originally posted by panag but the ones we have just sit around and do nothing ,

Which ones? We don't have any war chariots yet.
What units are you talking about?

quote: Originally posted by panag even costing money , ...

We don't pay upkeep (support for our units) at all because we get 60 free support (4 free support from every town, because we are a Despotism) and we only have 47 units.

	27-08-2002 04:22									#52
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OPD, start on 2 war chariots in your region, a port (for trade purposes) and anything else you think will benefit us in this upcomming wars.

Rendelnep, DEFENCE! DEFENCE! DEFENCE!

jdjdjd, Balance, defence and culture. Make the cities productive, even if you starve the bastards.

Please, all three of you, look at your areas and PM or post with specific strategies by 24:00 GMT tomarrow (tuesday) or 19:00 EST (5 hours difference, right?).

That will allow me time to compile for MrWIA or UnOrthOdOx in time for Wednesday's play. Thanks.
I will post here first PPC's cities for review and comment by the public sometime tonight.

	27-08-2002 17:22									#53
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Are you sure you want WC's built?

They cannot upgrade to horsemen, are bad defenders, can't attack the enemy if they are on the mountains near our cities and wouldn't be able to get to many of the enemy cities.

Would horsemen be ok instead?

	27-08-2002 17:32									#54
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quote: Originally posted by OPD Are you sure you want WC's built? They cannot upgrade to horsemen, are bad defenders, can't attack the enemy if they are on the mountains near our cities and wouldn't be able to get to many of the enemy cities. Would horsemen be ok instead?

Yes, horsemen would be OK, definitely.

	27-08-2002 18:20									#55
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Both horsemen and wc have the same attack and defence. Both upgrade to knight. WC have the jungle and the mountain drawback, but they cost 2/3 of a horse.

SMC has requested WC.

I can go either way, as our cities are to small to make having our golden age worth wild at this time.

You can review and decide.

	27-08-2002 18:35									#56
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The WCs are only good for dealing with Persia (mainly for attacking Sidon and Tyres). Since this is not a pressing matter it's better to wait until another 10 shields are gathered for a horseman than to waste our golden age.

	27-08-2002 19:24									#57
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IMHO WC's are completely useless for our current situation and as such I refuse to build any. Due to this and the fact that I have to work today untill 2am GMT and so can't make the deadline, the city planner is in charge of Mingapulco for this turnthread.

If it was up to me I'd build swordsmen in all four cities so it's probably best that GK is calling the shots.

	27-08-2002 19:29									#58
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I believe the SMC was thinking of upgrading the chariots to horsemen, speading production. I do not know if that is possible in 1.21 or not. If not, we may very well do better going straight for horse.

	27-08-2002 19:51									#59
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Can UU upgrade ?

	27-08-2002 19:54									#60
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I know the WarChariots upgrade to knights, don't know about horse