27-08-2002 20:21									#61
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WCs upgrade to knights. They cannot upgrade to horsemen.
Think about it: if you were one of the people in Firaxis, would you let WCs, which are equal in strength to horsemen, upgrade to horsemen?
When you upgrade one unit to another unit, the cost is calculated by multiplying the amount of extra shields necessary to build the superior unit by four (or by two if you have Leonardo's Workshop), which means that a WC would have had to be upgraded at the cost of 40 gold just so it will not have the single disadvantage of being a wheeled unit.

	28-08-2002 00:41									#62
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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT Can UU upgrade ?

hi ,

yes you can upgrade a UU , ...

to know a bit more about upgrades and UUs , take a look at the units in the editor , ...

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	28-08-2002 02:10									#63
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Yes I was under the impression wc can upgrade to horse. They can't so please build horsemen. I suggest in Poly and Bhq they canturn one out every 5 turns. In tass build spear we do need them. These are just suggestions.
Aggie

	28-08-2002 03:01									#64
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Running late here at work......
Leaving work by 8 pm EST = 25 GMT....
Will post orders for tomarrow when I get home....

Thanks.

	28-08-2002 03:46									#65
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Er... the clock runs to 25 hours over there, wow, it really is different!!

	28-08-2002 03:53									#66
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I thought you couldn't upgrade a UU, my Immortals for Persia have never given me the option to upgrade them................... Also, we have to decide when we want our Golden Age because if our WC wins then we will have our Golden age, if we like it or not!!

	28-08-2002 04:24									#67
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I hate GMT and that 5 hour difference. Makes things all in a new day kinda thing.... Why the rest of the world just doesn't switch to using EST is beyond me. And on top of that, what is wrong with miles, feet and inches. You all had to switch to Kilometers and such. Egads....

Swords, legions and immortals are all the same in the machine. They have no further upgrade. Each uu is treated different, but most horse uu such as our war chariot do upgrade to the next best horse unit. In this case our WC upgrades into a knight. THe horse also upgraded into a knight. There are only 2 big differences between these, the WC costs 2/3 of a horse (but the upgrade cost is more). The WC is also wheeled, so it cannot go through jungle or over mountains without roads. Very limiting in our situation. They would work well against the americans, but all of our existing foes are on the other side of inhospitible terrain.

Our GA would be best to wait until most of our cities are size 3+, to take the most benefit from it, and it would be best either some time in the middle middle ages (for the many wonders) or in the early industrial age (to boost production). There are two ways to get the GA, either through wonder construction or through the uu winning its first battle. We have yet to agree to try and go for the GA, but so far almost all have agreed that now is not the time unless we become desperate and need any edge we can get.

	28-08-2002 17:03									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Will 5001 I thought you couldn't upgrade a UU, my Immortals for Persia have never given me the option to upgrade them

That's because they're based on swordsmen and swordsmen don't upgrade to anything.

	29-08-2002 02:57									#69
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quote: Originally posted by GodKing I hate GMT and that 5 hour difference. Makes things all in a new day kinda thing.... Why the rest of the world just doesn't switch to using EST is beyond me. And on top of that, what is wrong with miles, feet and inches. You all had to switch to Kilometers and such. Egads....

Ahem, We all use GMT because Greenwich is the centre of the universe , and we do use miles, feet and inches here (although Kilometres, metres, centimetres and millimetres are a lot easier to use!)!!

Thanks Shiber, and Godking, I wondered why, because I always end up playing with a civ with a subsitute for swordsmen!!

	29-08-2002 18:03									#70
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As much as I dislike decreasing the pop in our core cities I think we will need some settlers to fill in the gaps when the beat down the French/Munich

	29-08-2002 18:49									#71
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Two suggestions to the city planners:
#1: In Paris, switch to working either the tile N or NE of Paris. It produces one shield less (but all the shields but one are lost to waste anyway) but it produces an additional commerce (which will not be lost to corruption according to the city screen).
#2: In timeline, instead of working the road tile NE of Timeline work the forest tile N of Timeline. We'll make one less food per turn but we'll make up for it with an additional two shields per turn (which won't be lost to waste. Again, I checked).
Please let me know if you intend to apply these changes.

	29-08-2002 18:55									#72
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Shiber, I will look at the download soon and look at your suggestions. My orders for timeline were to have it work the shield grasslands until it grew, then with the second pop to have them work the forest. This should have occured last play, but without the download I cannot check to see if it occured.

Last I saw of Paris (where its at?) is that it was in rebellion and wasn't working any tiles outside itself.

Thanks for keeping me on my toes.

	29-08-2002 19:56									#73
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PS will need updated orders from regions/sectors/areas friday (8/30) night (say 20:00 EST with makes it sat (8/31) morning, 1:00 GMT). If you need more time, just pm me and I will see what we can do. I do not yet know what hour MWIA is planning on the chat, but he is tentativly having a chat (instead of a turnthread) so I would like to have everything set for him prior to. Thanks.

	30-08-2002 04:42									#74
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quote: Originally posted by GodKing My orders for timeline were to have it work the shield grasslands until it grew, then with the second pop to have them work the forest. This should have occured last play, but without the download I cannot check to see if it occured. Last I saw of Paris (where its at?) is that it was in rebellion and wasn't working any tiles outside itself. Thanks for keeping me on my toes.

I followed the orders for Timeline, but in the save it is working weird tiles - it just grew and I hadn't made changes again when I saved. Still, no loss!

Paris (Now "Here It Is") was annoying - continually starving, meaning I'd need to reallocate the taxmen. It's finally out of disorder, and I didn't look at any worker allocations the turn I saved (210 BC) - I just wanted Marseille and then to stop.

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	30-08-2002 18:36									#75
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Thanks MWIA

	31-08-2002 07:15									#76
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CITY PLANNING - 210 BC

Edited this post to add these new orders in.

Mingapulco

Termina - No change. Start on horseman or temple next (depends on war).
Apolyton - Switch worker from one of the forest tiles to the whale tile. This does not change the time for this horse under construction, and adds a gold and food to the city. After Horse is constructed, reasses construction time (time of construction - # of shields have utmost priority) for the next build, either a gallion if the uber isle expedition goes bad, a horsie if still at war with anybody, or a library if at peace.
Tassagrad - No change. If in desperate streights, switch to horseman. After harbor, build horsie. When grows next turn, worked mined tile near polly.
BHQ - after horse, horsie (any war) or library (peace). When it grows in 5 turns make sure to prevent disorder by making a scientist. I am not 100% sure if it will go into disorder, but I think it will (when was last popped rushed?).
Port Rouge - barracks. Keep the people happy, so do not work any more tiles than possible. Do not be alarmed if people starve. If peace with FRANCE, then switch immediatly to temple.

Pina Colada

Chiquita - As is (temple). Pop rush if necessary. When it grows, work the other grass w/ shield.
Del Monte - If threatened, use judgement to switch. When grows, work tile to south of the one now worked. After barracks, either courthouse (if peace with germany and france) or war chariot.
Gaia - After barracks, either spear, horse or courthouse as appropriate.
Timeline - Work grass tile w/ shield and forest tile. Not the tile with the road. After barracks, spear.

El Nino - I have not yet heard from Rendelnep. If I do I might edit to incorporate his suggestions.

Seeberg - Switch immediatly to city walls. Then barracks.
Napoleton - Switch immediatly to city walls. Then barracks. Pop rush only if necessary.
Geofront - Switch immediatly to city walls. Then barracks. Pop rush only if necessary. Switch as necessary.
Ubergorsk - No change. Switch as necessary. WHen it grows, work the iron.
Loveshak - No change. Do not pop rush. If jungle gets cleared, work it.
Munich(?) - Presidential choice. Recomend temple at this time.

Ile de Rose - jdjdjd posted this http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...150#post1252575 as his orders.

HereItIs - Temple. Pop rush ASAP (20 shield remaining). If sending the vet sword to reinforce port rouge, make sure to change the worker into a taxman. Work the tile to either the N or NE (extra gold, no change in production)
Marsailes (Jerusiliam? sp?) - as per HereItIs.

All other cities to use presidential judgement, if myself or OPD are not available at the chat tomarrow (18:00 EST on sat, I will try to plan on making it, but do not know yet as my girlfriend talked about coming over to help me pack up my house).

	31-08-2002 23:33									#77
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hi ,

, Godking , do we really need walls , ...

have a nice day

Last edited by panag on 31-08-2002 at 23:57

	31-08-2002 23:40									#78
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quote: Originally posted by panag hi , , Godking , do we really need walls , ...

What? no "have a nice day"

Do you wish a bad day upon Godking?

You can't just go around insulting people like that.


Of course we need walls otherwise where would we hang pictures.

	31-08-2002 23:59									#79
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quote: Originally posted by OPD What? no "have a nice day" Do you wish a bad day upon Godking? You can't just go around insulting people like that. Of course we need walls otherwise where would we hang pictures.

hi ,

, oops , its done , ....

and no , no bad days are wished


, we should look at those walls again , ...

there is room enough to place the pics on the palace walls , ... and there are enough bananatrees around to hang pics , ....

have a nice day and night

	01-09-2002 02:38									#80
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Walls can be very useful; they can hold up an invading force very well until reinforcements arrive.

	01-09-2002 02:41									#81
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I suspect that many many many persian and german peoples will be coming our way. We only have a small garison right now. Wall are a delaying tactic as they are about the only thing usefull we can do with those cities in a short period of time.

	01-09-2002 02:52									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Will 5001 Walls can be very useful; they can hold up an invading force very well until reinforcements arrive.

hi ,

indeed , but given the situation we are in , do we really need them everywhere ,could we not use those shields on something else , ......



have a nice day

	01-09-2002 03:03									#83
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Not everywhere, just in the towns along the borders with Germany and Greece. Walls are very inexpensive (only 20 shields) and they pay up BIG TIME when the AIs attack (combined with the defensive bonus we get from fortifying our garrisons they get a 75% defensive bonus!!). IMHO, they're definitely worth it.

	01-09-2002 03:17									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Shiber Not everywhere, just in the towns along the borders with Germany and Greece. Walls are very inexpensive (only 20 shields) and they pay up BIG TIME when the AIs attack (combined with the defensive bonus we get from fortifying our garrisons they get a 75% defensive bonus!!). IMHO, they're definitely worth it.

hi ,

okay , .....

what a change in views , ... last week we needed every shield for other stuff , ... now its walls , ....

a couple days ago their where people in front of the palace saying that the situation was not that bad , ....

actually would it not be better to build units , and attack , that is still the best defense , ....

the AI , tends to go around places with walls , .... and strike in the back , ... again mobility would then take over , ... we cant move walls , .... maybe we should rush to get knights and use the shield for cathedrals , ...


have a nice day , or night

	01-09-2002 03:28									#85
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The situation is not bad. However it might deteriorate fast if we don't build walls (in Napoleton and Seeberg first, then maybe in other towns as well).

	01-09-2002 03:45									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Shiber The situation is not bad. However it might deteriorate fast if we don't build walls (in Napoleton and Seeberg first, then maybe in other towns as well).

hi ,

race to get knights , ......

we should not think defensive , but offensive , ...

have a nice day

	02-09-2002 17:50									#87
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Gk when do the orders have to be in by?
They'll pretty much be the same as last turns except with port rouge building a stlr ( if will is ok with it) and a few tile changes>

	02-09-2002 20:17									#88
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For Here It Is and Marseilles (Jerusalem?, who picked this name?)
Same plan as GK has posted. I see we are still 210 BC.

	03-09-2002 03:57									#89
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OK... I'm gonna need a few workers if you guys can spare some. Not really immediate, but if you get the chance to create 1 or 2, it would be much appreciated. I was clearing jungle near Termina, but we need to finish up the road to Chartres. After I do that, I'll go back to improving the area around Termina.

Also, I have a worker stack that will be clearing the area around Banana HQ in the next few turns. So slowly but surely I am starting to clear this blasted jungle away (it's just SLLLLOOOOWWWW going). Other areas I'm currently/soon clearing jungle from are Loveshack, Timeline and Gaia.

I think I will move the Napoleton worker stack closer to our core cities to help out once they are done with the road. Any suggestions or requests, let me know!

	03-09-2002 07:08									#90
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quote: Originally posted by WhiteBandit I was clearing jungle near Termina, but we need to finish up the road to Chartres. After I do that, I'll go back to improving the area around Termina.

Nooooo

Ok I suppose you're the boss but Termina does need it done soon.

I'll see about some workers. Probably in Termina as it doesn't have many tiles to work.