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Aug 2001
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The following quotes are culled from the previous few pages. They are mostly statements of fact about the Province of Alberta and Canada at large made by one really winged out creature. Some are rather peculiar observations which may or may not be based on fact. I'm not sure, I can't tell all the time where he gets this stuff from. I'm not going to make any further conclusions about him or his character, however I will comment on his... interesting use of facts and choice of opinions.
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Originally posted by blackice
Could be Klien or hatred of the eastern people? Humm again a no brainer.
Alberta is a great province with the highest unemployment amoung 16-24 year-olds. The poor top most if not all provinces working and not. Most of them are single mothers. Just to start so why with all that money is it that way...Klien. |
Bzzt!
Alberta had the lowest unemployment rate in Canada in July. Actually, it was tied with Manitoba at 5%. In June, we were third lowest. Break downs by age group are harder to find, I'll look at them if you can supply them, but so far this one seems to be a whopper.
http://www.statcan.ca/english/Subje...our/LFS/lfs.pdf
page 3
Poverty? Bzzt!
Here's some numbers on poverty rates for you. They are from 1998. If you have any newer, I'd like to see them. However, since things have kept chugging along around here I doubt we've slipped.
http://www.ncwcnbes.net/htmdocument...l#_Toc500047775
Please provide sources. Even if they happen to be the rays those little guys in the space ship are using to communicate with you.
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Originally posted by blackice
Either way it smacks of the Alberta teachings I have been commenting on. Lack of tolerance, lack of national pride, selfishness and disdain for the poor. All courtesy of your Premier...Now tell me that does not rub off on young impressionable minds that look up to him there…. |
Bzzt!
What's this? The whole province has a single set of 'teachings' that we are all brainwashed with? No source necessary. I believe people can come to accurate conclutions about such slurs without sources.
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Originally posted by blackice
We have a dictatorial democracy |
Bzzt!
I think many Canadians would differ with you about this one. Or maybe they would disagree that that is the way it should be. However, I would ask... What kind of fevered mind would criticise the people who criticise the system that is 'dictatorial'?
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Originally posted by blackice
Bs get a grip Alberta can pass any provincial tax or rule they like to counter any Fed rule. That is simply a cop out. Alberta only within the last few years had the highest corpate tax base almost in Canada. That does not encourage business. In fact even today they are still behind the east in that type of business lure. |
Bzzt!
Out right bull sh!t.
http://www.alberta-canada.com/economy/taxes.cfm
Oops, sorry, the source is the Evil Empire itself, bit it is interesting... *Dig, dig, dig*
This is a good one, lots of detail for 2002. Brutal link though, so go over here
page 2
Seems Alberta has one of the lowest small business tax rates (income up to $200K annually). NWT and Nunavat are lower, but then what are the costs involved of living and doing business there? I note BC is lower too. Well done! It's gonna take some work to repair things there and small businesses are probably the best way to start.
Larger companies... well look at that. Ontario is cutting more slack to the fat cats. So too is Quebec. Hmmm, looks like there might be something to this encouraging of the private sector. OK, I can live with it.
At any rate, highest? Bull sh!t.
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Originally posted by blackice
Kyoto has nothing to do with the NEP. Klien sows that seed to keep the next generation mad as hell and it creates votes, anamosity and people like you |
Bzzt!
Prey tell how the federal government will cut back on emissions without wielding a large stick? There is a lot of bull sh!t flying around, but don't expect me or anyone else to accept your bull sh!t over the other sources.
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Originally posted by blackice
China smina CANADA man 10,000 people in Ontario alone will die from pollution related illness this year alone. I could give a rats ass about China and they could give a rats ass about us. 1000 times the cash is put into traffic safty each year than pollution cutting measures. 1000 times less people die from traffic accidents than pollution. Pretty *ucking stupid IMHO |
Bzzt!
This statement is simply ludicrous on it's face. Source? OK...
I can't be arsed to do a good search on this one, but here's some numbers from 1992
http://www.acbr.com/causdeat.htm
2376 men and 1061 women died in motor vehicle accidents. That's 3437 people. Did 3,437,000 people die in Canada that year? How about the numbers in Ontario? Can you supply them? Remember, we don't receive those same rays you do. That would have been a fairly major event that I didn't hear of. 1 in 10 people would be almost... decimating don't you think?
But then, when you make it up as you go along you don't have to pay to much attention to detail, do you?
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Originally posted by blackice
Try Ontario all the money that goes to equalization comes from the peoples pay. You have it good out there and still whine. That is Hypocracy |
Bzzt!
Federal income is no longer based on our resources directly, the taxes they withdraw from Alberta are based on income and consumption, just like everywhere else. And may I point out that Alberta is among the higher net contributors per capita. If you really want another source, I'll dig one up. Maybe Asher can do it.
At any rate, this is fun and all, but I think I'll stop here for now. Maybe I'll have another go later. Somebody else could do. It really is facinationg to go through and count the statements of fact that are completely without basis. I knew there were some strange sorts on Apolyton, but I thought most of them got something right from time to time. Apparently there are a few exceptions.
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of naught
Aug 2001
time: 22:21
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Originally posted by Tingkai
Hardly, as Blackice has mentioned, massive oil price hikes sent a shock through the global economy creating a worldwide recession. Canada was already trapped in stagflation. Interest rates hit 20 per cent, as an article posted by NYE mentioned.
Even without NEP, there would have been massive layoffs in the Alberta oil industry. A lot of people laid off, IIRC, were on the drilling and exploration side. This is a business that does work now for future gains. Nominal interest rates of 20 per cent created a massive cost for such work that made it unprofitable to do at the time.
Ironically, NEP may have helped Alberta in the long-run by creating short-term pain. Albertans work up to the dangers of relying too much on the oil industry and have since made some efforts to diversify their economy (as you so often tell us). |
This is funny. really funny.
I really like how everyone who doesn't live in Alberta is an expert on what caused our problems, and the fvcking economists at our universities have got it wrong. Tis to laugh. So I will
You could go back and read the post though. It was the well head tax that did not move when the price of oil declined. Thus our oil was uneconomical to explore for, drill for, and in some cases produce.
That and the attitude of businessmen on both sides of the border to a government that did things in a high handed and arbitrary fashion.
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Canada where else...
Sep 2000
time: 00:21
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Within each age group, there was a wide distribution of poverty rates in different cities. For example, poverty rates for youth aged 15 to 24 ranged from 16.4 per cent in Wood Buffalo to 32.1 per cent in Lethbridge – almost twice the rate from lowest to highest. Furthermore, the risk of poverty relative to other age groups varied among cities. For example, individuals aged 65 to 74 had the lowest poverty rate by age group in Medicine Hat, but the third highest rate in Wood Buffalo. Along with age, the risk of being in poverty was also linked to where one lived.
As shown in Table 2.2, females in the province and in every city were more likely to be poor than men. For all mid-sized cities, 15.2 per cent of males lived in poverty, whereas this was the situation for 19.2 percent of females – a difference of 4.0 percentage points. Females were most at risk to poverty in Red Deer, where 21.9 per cent were living below the poverty line. In comparison, only 14.0 per cent of females in Wood Buffalo were poor.
http://www.ccsd.ca/pubs/altapov/2.htm
Notmeforsure, Just one example I hope you jump on it because I have all night and 76 more links. 
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