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Canada where else...
Sep 2000
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blackice, what is your problem? |
Nothing at all, yours is obvious.
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You keep singling out Alberta and railing on it when it's doing BETTER than the national average |
You mean the oil is making it better than the national average. Drop the oil and will see. Again why are there so many working poor and poor in this utopia?
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WHY? Because you're anti-Albertan. |
 Yes I have chatted with you before this type of moronic trolling is typical. I will say it again I love the place, hate Klien.
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Oh, but you ARE ALBERTAN right? Christ man. |
Raised there yup, you?
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Nothing is ever good enough for you, is it? |
Yes dad
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A province does better than average and we single it out and rail on it while provinces who have MUCH worse poverty problems are ignored? |
You keep jacking threads, with your Alberta is god, bragging about only the good, expect it cry boy.
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Why is that, blackice? |
Let me guess  Because Alberta is the topic in another thread not about Alberta that you have jacked?
Alberta 26,103 BC 27,480 Yukon 28,511 NWT 30,071 Ontario 28,838 Amazing is it not the the richest province in the nation ranks 5th on the wage scale. Yet boost some of the if not the highest rents and cost of living going.... Keep bragging...
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"do you not care about all of the starving children in the rest of canada lololol |
First of all again your lack of concern for starving children, gives great insight to your over-all personality.
Second, one of my constitutional challenges is to correct this problem...So tell me cry boy what are you doing about it.
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grow up haha 10000 children die each hour in ontario due to lack of money and its all your fault why dont you care wah wah wah wah albertans are killing everyone" |
You need a pill...
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blackice
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Canada where else...
Sep 2000
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BTW, smooth how you dropped the wage topic. The fact is, all of your numbers are slanted and mislabeled, you're lying with statistics and nothing more. |
Dropped it?
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The fact is, all of your numbers are slanted and mislabeled, you're lying with statistics and nothing more. |
See comment below next comment, then the facts (bottom of post) from the same page you blatantly lie about in your so called facts. (lies again)
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Once people come out and take the time to show you the truth you either dismiss it because the source is from the west (no one over there tells the truth you know) or you ignore it completely. It's tired. |
No I dismiss all government of Alberta and Ontario propaganda web sites. Why? because they lie, go check for yourself. The Auditor Generals site dismisses them as false and backs up what I have said. Yes Asher your tricks have lost thier punch, time for a new comic book mail order debate strategy kit. See comment below...
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Once people come out and take the time to show you the truth you either dismiss it because the source is from the west (no one over there tells the truth you know) or you ignore it completely. It's tired. |
This is where you sum up what you have done and say everyone else did it. You need to come up with something new that is old now.
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The average salary in Alberta overall does well exceed the national average, the only reason it's not THE highest is because of rural Alberta. They're not exactly booming with money. |
Alberta $26,103 Canada $26,474 it does? med time cry boy.
http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/...ur/labor50b.htm
No they are not what is Klien doing about it? Again ignore it all you want I ask again. Why is Alberta the richest province bar none. With only the 5th ranking in average wages. Below the national average...with so many working poor, poor people and homeless. Klien is why. Love Alberta hate Klien.
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Asher
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Nov 1999
time: 22:21
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 So in the world according to Asher, Blackice is not an Albertan because he doesn't live in Alberta, but I'm an Eastern Troll even though I haven't lived in the east for more than 10 years. Interesting. |
It is, isn't it. I'll tell you how this works.
When you live in Canada, the province you're a resident of is where you're from. IE: If I live in Alberta, I'm an Albertan. If I move, I'm a Former Albertan. You see how this works? It's quite a simple system really.
Now, you have since moved out of the country and still clearly have the opinion of an Easterner, and in fact you now live in the Far East, so how is my saying you're an Eastern Troll incorrect? 
Albertans are people who live in Alberta and participate in provincial politics. People who used to live in Alberta and now live in Ontario are not Albertans, they're former Albertans.
Much like if I change my citizenship to be fully American, I am no longer Canadian -- I'm a former Canadian, and would be actually an American.
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:21
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Originally posted by Asher
blackice, it's generally accepeted by everyone that The West was hurt far more by the NEP than the East. You're the one saying otherwise, you have to link it.
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But Asher, you have a selective knowledge of those times. You never lived through that period. You never experienced the difficulties faced by all Canadians.
To study the history of that time requires more than just looking at policies and statistics. You need to understand how people perceived the world at that time without benefit of 20/20 hindsight.
Between 1945 and 1972, the Canadian economy was growing strongly, with a few minor recessions. The massive oil price hikes and oil shortages in 72-73 changed all of that. Suddenly inflation, caused by rising fuel prices, went through the roof. Interest rates shot up Unemployment rose. People were being laid off. Thousands of people were forced to walk away from their homes because they couldn't pay the mortgage.
The only area that benefited from the oil crisis was Alberta (BC and Sask to a much lesser extant) and the oil industry. Profits shot up. Lots of jobs were created (but not enough to offset overall job losses in Canada).
The economy remained in stagflation (stagnant growth and high inflation) throughout the seventies. Most people struggled to make ends meet. Many were forced to walk away from their homes. Many lost their life's savings.
After the 79 Iranian revolution, oil prices again shot up causing even more inflation and even higher interest rates. Again, thousands of people were forced to walk away from their homes. Companies laid off staff or closed down businesses.
This is also a period where people believed that we were going to run out of oil and that rising oil prices and the related high inflation would be a fact of life forever.
When the politicians started talking about using controlling the cost of nationally produced oil (something that was quite common), Albertans responded by saying "Let the Eastern Bastards freeze in the dark." IIRC, that was a popular bumper sticker in Alberta.
The Clark government and the Trudeau government were both under extensive pressure to find some solution. Rightly or wrongly, people perceived the times as being desparate. People believed that the Canadian economy was going to collapse unless something was done. It is from this background that the NEP is born.
In hindsight, we know that high oil prices created demand for more efficient machines which, when the machines came on line, reduced the demand for oil.
But we didn't know that at that time.
The NEP hurt the Alberta oil industry, but the oil industry damaged the Albertan economy by shutting down as much for a political protest as for business reasons. What happened in Alberta in the early 80s was not much different from what most of Canada had experienced in the preceeding 10 years.
That's the background you need to understand when you talk about the NEP.
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notyoueither
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Aug 2001
time: 22:21
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Originally posted by Tingkai
But Asher, you have a selective knowledge of those times. You never lived through that period. You never experienced the difficulties faced by all Canadians.
To study the history of that time requires more than just looking at policies and statistics. You need to understand how people perceived the world at that time without benefit of 20/20 hindsight.
Between 1945 and 1972, the Canadian economy was growing strongly, with a few minor recessions. The massive oil price hikes and oil shortages in 72-73 changed all of that. Suddenly inflation, caused by rising fuel prices, went through the roof. Interest rates shot up Unemployment rose. People were being laid off. Thousands of people were forced to walk away from their homes because they couldn't pay the mortgage.
The only area that benefited from the oil crisis was Alberta (BC and Sask to a much lesser extant) and the oil industry. Profits shot up. Lots of jobs were created (but not enough to offset overall job losses in Canada).
The economy remained in stagflation (stagnant growth and high inflation) throughout the seventies. Most people struggled to make ends meet. Many were forced to walk away from their homes. Many lost their life's savings.
After the 79 Iranian revolution, oil prices again shot up causing even more inflation and even higher interest rates. Again, thousands of people were forced to walk away from their homes. Companies laid off staff or closed down businesses.
This is also a period where people believed that we were going to run out of oil and that rising oil prices and the related high inflation would be a fact of life forever.
When the politicians started talking about using controlling the cost of nationally produced oil (something that was quite common), Albertans responded by saying "Let the Eastern Bastards freeze in the dark." IIRC, that was a popular bumper sticker in Alberta.
The Clark government and the Trudeau government were both under extensive pressure to find some solution. Rightly or wrongly, people perceived the times as being desparate. People believed that the Canadian economy was going to collapse unless something was done. It is from this background that the NEP is born.
In hindsight, we know that high oil prices created demand for more efficient machines which, when the machines came on line, reduced the demand for oil.
But we didn't know that at that time.
The NEP hurt the Alberta oil industry, but the oil industry damaged the Albertan economy by shutting down as much for a political protest as for business reasons. What happened in Alberta in the early 80s was not much different from what most of Canada had experienced in the preceeding 10 years.
That's the background you need to understand when you talk about the NEP. |
Well damn. A good post. What is this thread coming to?
I can readily grant that the situation in Eastern Canada looked a lot less than rosey in 1979. I just wonder why it seems unreasonable by 'other' Canadians that Albertans would scream about their jobs, their homes and their businesses being sacrificed on the altar of confederation. Is it selfish to object to being driven into bankruptcy to save another from bankruptcy?
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:21
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Originally posted by Asher
Well that's odd, because the timestamp on your posts are spread out on the issue over a period of 4 days.
That's persistent to me, and it's also whining when you don't like people making fun of your silly comments. 
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So many lies to deal with. Asher starts by claiming that I have been persistantly whining for "weeks." Now he claims four days. Even then he still lies.
I first commented on the fact that Asher had run off to another site to attack people behind their backs on 25 August. That's when I found out about it.
Nothing more was said until Asher returned to Apolyton. At that point I told him what I thought on 26 August 17:29. The conversation goes back and forth until 27 Aug. 13:29 when I end the discussion.
I make a very indirect reference to Asher's actions on 28-08 when I stated: "If you want to insult me, I couldn't care less, if it is at least done to my face." In no way could that be considered a whine or a complaint.
So Asher, at the very most, my comments about your childish behaviour stretches over three days, not four. But to be more specific, I only complained to you in about four posts over space of less than than 24 hours.
This does not persistant make.
What we actually have here is some political spinning on your part. You're trying to take something for which you are to blame, and spin it to blame me.
And for that you get 10/10 for effort. 
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Originally posted by Asher
Meanwhile you've now managed to avoid the issues for the most part either because you know you're full of it and want to do some damage control or you were just trolling earlier for fun anyway.
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While it is true that I haven't been able to contribute comments as much as I would like (I work for a living and I'm in the process of moving to a new place), I have repeatedly tried to explain some simple concepts which you have chosen to not understand.
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Originally posted by Asher
You trolled, they bit, and now you're sitting here accusing other people of taking the low road because they bit your stupid little troll.
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NYE claimed that he tried to be reasonable, but was forced to drop into the gutter. I made no accusations about him taking the low road. I showed that he was the first to drop into the gutter. (Or put it another way, just so you understand, there is a difference between accusing someone and pointing out the actions someone has taken.
Secondly, it was not a troll. It was an off-the-cuff remark.
If it was a troll, and I'm not saying that it was, it is surely more than "stupid" and "little".
This thread has hit 16 pages and that's because of the irrational over-sensitive tantrums thrown by a couple of Albertans. As for me, I'm just an innocent bystander.
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
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Originally posted by Asher
The east was going through a tough time, but the west largely wasn't. |
I wasn't living in the west during this time, but IIRC, only Alberta was doing well because of the high oil prices. The rest of the west was suffering as much as the east.
And many Albertans who were not connected to the oil industry were suffering. Farmers were getting high prices for their products, but the cost of production was also rising.
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:21
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Originally posted by notyoueither
Well damn. A good post. What is this thread coming to?
I can readily grant that the situation in Eastern Canada looked a lot less than rosey in 1979. I just wonder why it seems unreasonable by 'other' Canadians that Albertans would scream about their jobs, their homes and their businesses being sacrificed on the altar of confederation. Is it selfish to object to being driven into bankruptcy to save another from bankruptcy? |
That's a difficult one to answer.
Is selfish to object to being driven into bankruptcy? No.
Is it selfish to refuse to help others in distress and to make comments like "let the Eastern bastards freeze in the dark." Yes.
Did the Albertans have just cause for complaining about the NEP at the time? Yes.
Do they have just cause for continually using the NEP as justification that the east is still out to screw them 20 years later? No.
Is it understandable that the NEP has left a mark on cultural psyche of Alberta? Yes.
Were they justified in saying keep oil prices high regardless of the cost to the country as a whole? No.
Was it understandable for Albertans to want to prosper from high oil prices, even if the rest of the country suffered? Yes.
And by the way NYE, 10/10 for your previous satire weather report. Good to see you've got your sense of humour back.
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notyoueither
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Aug 2001
time: 22:21
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Originally posted by Tingkai
NYE claimed that he tried to be reasonable, but was forced to drop into the gutter. I made no accusations about him taking the low road. I showed that he was the first to drop into the gutter. (Or put it another way, just so you understand, there is a difference between accusing someone and pointing out the actions someone has taken.
Secondly, it was not a troll. It was an off-the-cuff remark.
If it was a troll, and I'm not saying that it was, it is surely more than "stupid" and "little".
This thread has hit 16 pages and that's because of the irrational over-sensitive tantrums thrown by a couple of Albertans. As for me, I'm just an innocent bystander. |
Sorry Tingkai. You said some incredibly stupid things on 'page 3' of this thread. Including allusions linking Canadian politics and the FLQ crisis to the Nazis. It was ridiculous, to me.
Also, my response to you was also heavily based on earlier attempts to communicate and observations of other sh!t storm threads.
I have said already, I have observed and experienced too much crap about Alberta in the past here and IRL. I will not remain silent about it.
Trolling and fun are one thing. Tolerating people who truely believe the crap and dance through excuses to maintain bigotry is another.
I am totally willing to bury this and move on. However, this thread and others do form the prism through which others will be coloured. I don't expect anybody to forget what I've posted. I won't totally forget others either.
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