02-09-2002 02:14									#1
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I wish to present my apologies for being so long to start this thread. I ve been wandering around before Planetfall, and according to the latest scans I received personnaly [OOC] IMHO[/OOC], it seems that we land on some kind of strange L-shaped continent. There seems to be an inside sea in it, and the chemical analysis that has been done before Unity Crash tends to say this sea is freshwater. I've been compulsing many geological datas, and according to my own calculations and conclusions, it sounds like we are on the western side of the land that separate that Freshwater sea and the larger sea northern of the L-Shaped Continent.
Some indications tend to say there is important mineral ressources to the east, while some rainy valleys have been spoted southwest, at the down of a river falling to the Freshwater to its western coast. It seems there is a small arid land to cross to reach this last valley. Unfortunately, both native fauna and flora could have provoked miscalculations. The northwest part seems rather to be arid and latests scans indicates intense native flora development.

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Pandemoniak,
Director of Terraforming and Colonization,
in "First awakening after the Long Journey"

I enclosed a poll in order to have a more precise view of your opinions. Should we settle North, North-East, East, South-East, South, South-West, West, or North-West ? note this is not an official poll but a consultation.

	02-09-2002 02:20									#2
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This poll will last three days. You can find previous discussion here and there

	02-09-2002 04:17									#3
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north-west. there *may* be some rainy tiles there since the terrain is mountainous, and i know there are several rainy tiles to the north.

	02-09-2002 04:23									#4
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East. There, we can find a good site on the isthmus between the FW Sea and the main ocean.

As we have two colony pods, we could send them in different directions. My second choice is southwest, third is north/NW.

Either way, it's likely that we'll be the only faction with access to the isthmus for a loooong while.

	02-09-2002 12:07									#5
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For the first base, I suggest where we start.

For the second, I suggest going east, so both bases can share the (eventually) mined Mineral bonus, hopefully one using it at size 2 to finish off a Colony Pod while the other is still growing from size 1. When the size 2 base finishes its Colony Pod, the other hopefully can grow to size 2 and use the Minerals while the first base grows back to size 2.

The two bases will be fairly close, but the minor inefficiency later due to overlapping radii is a small price to pay for the mineral sharing, quick base building, and less energy Inefficiency (hopefully) early on.

Z

EDIT: How did I do that, I put two Zs. I must be tired

	02-09-2002 13:22									#6
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First base were we've already started, the 2nd 2 tiles east along the diagonal, taking the isthmus. Further expansion after that should probably concentrate itself around the freshwater sea for now. To the north is heavy fungus, through which the CP's will not be able to progress through at any speed. I suggest we get Formers out there in our northen bases at reasonable speed, and have them plant forest next to those fungus tiles to hopefully start some chain reactions.

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	02-09-2002 15:58									#7
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quote: Originally posted by TKG north-west. there *may* be some rainy tiles there since the terrain is mountainous, and i know there are several rainy tiles to the north.

Our sensors seems to indicate that the rainy tiles are mostly western of that montain.

	02-09-2002 18:45									#8
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well, WEST. put a base in the mountainous terrain, then put one west of that, and keep going north. the pods from Base#1 can expand east.

	02-09-2002 19:34									#9
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first base one tile south-east and the second move it toward the rainy valley

	02-09-2002 21:03									#10
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Pandemoniak, I have a suggestion/request. As we have two pods, it might be better to post a multi-choice poll. Something like:

Where will our CPs go?

Stay put and found base
Pod 1 goes to: N, NE, E,...
Pod 2 goes to ...
Seventeen choices. People would be allowed to pick two of them.

	03-09-2002 04:22									#11
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A screenshot would help this thread a bit for new voters.

	03-09-2002 06:46									#12
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Maniac, I agree with you, I just forgot to tell my secretary to post a multiple vote. ( I forgot to click). Anyway, this is a consultation vote, so I'm more listening to people's arguments and ideas than to straight results.

To Ade, you right as well. Let me add it.

	03-09-2002 06:49									#13
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quote: Originally posted by DeathByTheSword first base one tile south-east and the second move it toward the rainy valley

You missed my point : we have to CROSS these mountains to get to the rainy valleys.

	03-09-2002 06:57									#14
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quote: Originally posted by DeathByTheSword first base one tile south-east and the second move it toward the rainy valley

	03-09-2002 09:12									#15
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Pandemoniak,
I suggest you upload the picture as an attachment, then it will automatically show at the bottom of your post. You'll get the little paper clip attachment icon, but the alternative is to find some webspace somewhere to hold it for you and link from there.

The image probably works for you, but that's because it's referencing a file in your Mes Documents folder. It's not actually stored anywhere on the net, however .

Z

	03-09-2002 17:30									#16
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North West, the Pholus Ridge will porvide extra enegy for research (vist the TSA for mor eon our policies for science! http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=59271 ) and it has a mountain so it will be very wet and Green on the west side.

Pandemonik, you can download map of planet (but I think you should have one with your game) and use the scenario editor to reveal the map, you will be much more familier with the terrain. (most o fus already are)

	03-09-2002 20:41									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Pandemoniak Maniac, I agree with you, I just forgot to tell my secretary to post a multiple vote. ( I forgot to click). Anyway, this is a consultation vote, so I'm more listening to people's arguments and ideas than to straight results.

In that case my suggestion would be:
1) Either build one base where we are and send the second pod due east, or
2) Send pod 1 two squares east to the isthmus. Pod 2 a square north to the unity pod.

	03-09-2002 21:01									#18
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I'm too late. To my surprise DE already played some turn. With the current HQ and CP location in mind, I would suggest building our second base on the nutrient bonus tile.

	03-09-2002 23:06									#19
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We should take the Isthmus and then have one prong of expansion to the North West and the other to the East and South West simultaneously so as to engulf the Freshwater sea.

	04-09-2002 00:48									#20
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south west is best the ridge is full with mindworms and around the sea is better with pods bonusses and rainy tiles after taking that area we need to go to the rigde not before that! i am just playing a SP game with the drones and started south of the sea and have excellent rainy tiles there!

	04-09-2002 01:35									#21
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i'd move the CP north one tile so it can work the nutrient tile, and move more CP's west and southwest...ah héll, just go everywhere! (though south east there is a nice place with 2 rocky min bonus tiles and an energy bonus in the sea...or so the unity survery indicates )

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	04-09-2002 01:59									#23
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i agree with all the placements and would like to see the most southers sea to be settled to near that rainy part and river (bottomright of the screen) some day!

	04-09-2002 02:04									#24
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PANDE just order constructing a second base without polling it! may i remind him that this kind of orders need to be polled for the location! (espaiselly so early in the game)

	04-09-2002 02:09									#25
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I did that on the thread fro directors to post their orders. I choose NW of the Northern Large Nutrient Field, one tile away from the Pod's location at 2106.

	04-09-2002 02:21									#26
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yes i now you gave the order but no official poll has been made to comfirm that with all the citizens (demogame remember )

	04-09-2002 21:57									#27
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I'm pissed off.

TKG, please remove that picture of our starting location. I would like to have at least *some* fun with the exploration part. It is forbidden to play ahead. That includes having a look at the Map of Planet with the special purpose of searching for the best colonization sites.

Pandemoniak, you're acting like a dictator. If you don't change your current ways, I might consider entering the next T&C elections after all. The way some Alpha Talents and Directors are running this democracy game is scandalous!

	04-09-2002 22:48									#28
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I think we should set our first base just northwest of the second(northern) set of bonus nutrients, to take advantage of the food, and the sea.

	04-09-2002 23:17									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Pandemoniak I did that on the thread fro directors to post their orders. I choose NW of the Northern Large Nutrient Field, one tile away from the Pod's location at 2106.

Pand, this isn't your decision. its the peoples decision. Dont start going off choosing what you want. Voice your opinion yes, but if the people dont agree...Then dont override them.

This is a democracy! Let us not slip into despotism. Because, as the americans learned so painfully in earths final century....

	04-09-2002 23:29									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Diablero I think we should set our first base just northwest of the second(northern) set of bonus nutrients, to take advantage of the food, and the sea.

We also take advantage of the sea if we build the base right on that nutrient bonus. Plus, we would better make use of that nutrient source if we built on it, certainly before we have formers ready to plant a forest on that tile.

Consider the two following scenarios:

We build the base one tile northwest of that nutrient tile as you suggest. On the river mouth thus. As a consequence of that river the base tile produces 2-1-2. You say you want to take advantage of that nutrient resource, so I suppose you want to put our first worker there. This results in a production of 5 food, 1 mineral and 2 energy.

Now consider placing the base on the nutrient bonus. As a consequence the base tile produces 4-1-1. I suggest we put our first worker on the tile west of our base site. This would result in a production of 5 food, 2 minerals and 2 energy. In other words, a doubling of our industrial capacity!

An added advantage is our bases are placed a bit closer together. This way we don't loose the production of the valuable terrain in between and communications and transportation between our two bases will go faster.