05-09-2002 22:47									#1
	Mild Torture During Interrogations. That's O.K, Isn't It ? Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

The evil paiktis has a quote (I don't care if the US supports a country that kills and tortures people - Shi Huangdi, Murderer of Peoples, extraordinaire.)
in his signature that prompts the thread question.

I read an article advocating "mild, non-life-threatening" torture as a viable option during interrogations; mostly those dealing with military questioning.
This "mild torture" would have to be approved and supervised.

I don't know for sure, but that seems to me to be maybe going a little overboard.
I mean, I see the point trying to be made in regard to the end justifying the means, but still...

What do all of you deep thinkers think about that proposition ?

Last edited by SlowwHand on 05-09-2002 at 23:00

	05-09-2002 22:56									#2
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Mild torture is not acceptable unless you're like Osama

	05-09-2002 22:58									#3
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I am going to type this real slowly so that the average poly poster can understand.


T o t u r e . b a d

	05-09-2002 23:00									#4
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got it.

	05-09-2002 23:22									#5
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quote: I don't know for sure, but that seems to me to be maybe going a little overboard.

I'm damn sure that is going overboard.

	05-09-2002 23:26									#6
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torture is an excellent way to get the answers you want.

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What kind of torture - being subjected to tv programmes featuring Barney?

	05-09-2002 23:29									#8
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so what, is .bad some sort of new domain thing?

note to self--visit toture.bad sometime in the near future.

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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX torture is an excellent way to get the answers you want.

Absolutely. Regardless of whether those answers happen to be true or accurate. Torture them and they'll tell you what you want to hear. Like saying "Yes. I confess. I did it.". Like the Birmingham 6 and Guildford 4 did.

(Hint- they were innocent).

	05-09-2002 23:33									#10
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And after mildly torturing them, they can be mildly executed.

	05-09-2002 23:39									#11
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There's no such thing as mild torture. Torture is torture, and torture is bad.

	05-09-2002 23:40									#12
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quote: "mild, non-life-threatening"

cutting someone deeply in the foot with a knife and then cauterizing the wound isn't life threatening.

nor is castrating/circumcising them without anesthesia.

flogging them isn't life-threatening. nor is beating them with fists.

having them hold up a 40 kilogram weight for hours is not life threatening.

dislocating certain joints is not life threatening...

burning them with cigarettes and branding them... both not life-threatening...

amputating limbs, not life-threatening...

and to think, all of this is mild compared to things like the iron maiden, no?

	05-09-2002 23:41									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Ron Jeremy Absolutely. Regardless of whether those answers happen to be true or accurate. Torture them and they'll tell you what you want to hear. Like saying "Yes. I confess. I did it.". Like the Birmingham 6 and Guildford 4 did. (Hint- they were innocent).

Rephrasing the question is enough to understand whether they know what they're talking about or not.

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I can name literally dozens of cases where that proved otherwise.

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Sometimes the anti-torture crowd gets way out of hand and starts labeling things as torture which have nothing to do with torture.

For instance the 80's the EU courts throw out the British practice of making IRA terror suspects stand while they are being questioned by police. The lefties said it was "psychological torture" to make suspects stand while the police get to sit.

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"Mild torture" sounds like "military intelligence" and "Microsoft works" to me.

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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Sometimes the anti-torture crowd gets way out of hand and starts labeling things as torture which have nothing to do with torture. For instance the 80's the EU courts throw out the British practice of making IRA terror suspects stand while they are being questioned by police. The lefties said it was "psychological torture" to make suspects stand while the police get to sit.

Bear in mind that under the Prevention of Terrorism (Emergency Procedures) Act those interrogations could last 5 days. What's the longest you've ever stayed standing for?

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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Sometimes the anti-torture crowd gets way out of hand and starts labeling things as torture which have nothing to do with torture. For instance the 80's the EU courts throw out the British practice of making IRA terror suspects stand while they are being questioned by police. The lefties said it was "psychological torture" to make suspects stand while the police get to sit.

Stand for how long? Questioning of suspects can take hours.

Police aren't allowed to shine bright lights in suspects faces anymore.

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Sure making someone stand is not torture if it lasts few hours.. but if it lasts 'till you confess' or few days, I think it's a bit too much. Everybody is not guilty anyway.

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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Sometimes the anti-torture crowd gets way out of hand and starts labeling things as torture which have nothing to do with torture.

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I can't stand half-assed measures. If you're going to torture them, do it with gusto.

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The only place where tortuing could be used in my opinion is as punishment (non life threatening tortuing here for small crimes (not too small, obviously) might be even better than a few days in jail or public works), but definitely not for interrogation. Tortuing would help nothing at interrogation. Strong morale people still wouldn't admit what they did even if tortued, while some weaker people would say "I did it" even if he didn't just because of tortue. Tortuing helps nothing. Remember inquisition, those people really admitted they were sent to this Earth by satan. Do you think it was really so?

For example I wouldn't admit certain things whatever would be done to me no matters wherether I did them or not (I would never admit for example a crime for which I could get many years in jail. I'd better choose death). WHile if tortuing would be applied for smaller crimes (for which there aren't big punishments), I would admit them no matters I did them or not (who likes to be tortued?).

	06-09-2002 00:27									#23
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I had a thread on the exact same subject a few months ago and the general consensus was that it wasn't OK.

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Torture is bad mmmmkay?

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quote: Originally posted by Sonic For example I wouldn't admit certain things whatever would be done to me no matters wherether I did them or not (I would never admit for example a crime for which I could get many years in jail. I'd better choose death).

Says someone who likely has never been really tortured. Most people think they could stand up to torture. Almost no one ever does. The real question is not whether you can stand up to torture, but for how long can you stand up until you crack?

The purpose of torture isn't to collect information. It's well known that the torture victim will say whatever he thinks his captors want to hear. The purpose of torture is break human beings, turn them into helpless little animals.

Torture is never acceptable, not even to save a life.

	06-09-2002 00:37									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed so what, is .bad some sort of new domain thing? note to self--visit toture.bad sometime in the near future.

Nope. Not on a web site of any nature. In a magazine that I won't name, because this idea drifts some distance from the norm.

	06-09-2002 00:41									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Sometimes the anti-torture crowd gets way out of hand and starts labeling things as torture which have nothing to do with torture. For instance the 80's the EU courts throw out the British practice of making IRA terror suspects stand while they are being questioned by police. The lefties said it was "psychological torture" to make suspects stand while the police get to sit.

The author of the article used torture in the title, and the methods suggested left no doubt that it was indeed torture he was advocating.
The methods were somewhat along the lines Q Cubed mentioned.

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which is a pity, because it's all sick and twisted. what good will it do?

	06-09-2002 00:43									#29
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Torture is never acceptable. If we use it we sink to their level.

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Given the number of people who voted in favor of torture, I'm surprised that more people aren't vocally defending it. I blame this discrepancy on the lack of a "banana" option, which can skew an poll's results.