08-09-2002 03:19									#61
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Oh I think it has everything to do with politics.

	08-09-2002 03:23									#62
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For the record, I think that most French people are very nice, with a few exceptions. De Gaulle was arrogant, but the right man France at that time. And the United States wouldn't have developed as a military without the support of France in World War I. Otherwise, we would have been broken up to fill other divisions as the English wished.

But let me repeat, this perception has NOTHING to do with politics. I can't stress that enough. You give us too much credit.

	08-09-2002 03:24									#63
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	08-09-2002 03:28									#64
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Comedians manipulate this perception, not polticians.

	08-09-2002 03:29									#65
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It is interesting looking at the conditions for American support of France at Dien Bien Phu how closely they mirror Chirac's conditions for support of America in Iraq.

	08-09-2002 03:30									#66
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	08-09-2002 04:06									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Pandemoniak Honestly, america never admitted they would still be england without france's help.

"Layfayette, we are here" WW1

Been written up big time In the USA. I have/had five relatives named after layfayette.

	08-09-2002 04:08									#68
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It's not just that, it's the fact that the French have never been number 1. It's contemptible.

They have been number 1 in Europe several times.

	08-09-2002 04:13									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola "Layfayette, we are here" WW1 Been written up big time In the USA. I have/had five relatives named after layfayette.

No offence, but its La Fayette, not Layfayette
And i agree with St Leo, france has been number 1 in europe several times.And in days when being N°1 in europe meant be N°1 in the world.
But the pride of a nation cant be rated so easily, can it ?
Even if we were 7.The Puny French, I would still be proud of Brillat-Savarin

	08-09-2002 05:03									#70
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It has to do with rude Americans in Paris being treated shabbily by Parisians, who then came home and complained to all their friends and neighbors about what jerks the French are. Mostly it's just a joke.

"Homer, if you had to pick a country to destroy, which would it be, Italy or France?"

"France."

"Heh, heh heh, no one ever picks Italy."

	08-09-2002 05:08									#71
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French DO have a pissed off inferiority for not being able to match the english at world "culture" dominion.

English have the US, the US "has" the world, the english language is all over the globe etc etc

They definitely have that complex.

	08-09-2002 05:36									#72
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 I have to say I have laughed a lot of times at Dinodoc because whenever ther was talk of french or the word surrender I already knew what his post would be

It's funny because it's true.

	08-09-2002 07:17									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Pandemoniak No offence, but its La Fayette, not Layfayette

Its French, you are supposed to misspell it.

	08-09-2002 07:46									#74
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo It's not just that, it's the fact that the French have never been number 1. It's contemptible. They have been number 1 in Europe several times.

Ahem: Explain when. I mean, you could consider the days of the war of spanish succession, or napoleonic, but as in both cases they weren't able to exert superpower status, because everyone went up against them. Literally, in some cases.

	08-09-2002 07:49									#75
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I like the French......women Sophie Marceau is a hottie!

	08-09-2002 08:03									#76
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But you gotta love French Resistance! Especially in 'Top Secret'. Val Kilmer rules, ok?

	08-09-2002 11:48									#77
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New Zealanders hate the French Government because of their nuclear testing in the Pacific and the fact that the French Secret Service blew up the Greenpeace ship Rainbow Warrior in harbour here in the 1980s. But the French people? No better or worse than any other people. No more arrogant than Americans, or Canadians or English, and no less arrogant either. And it always puzzles me how a nation that received help from France in the pivotal moment of their history - the War of Independence - can mock them so harshly a coupla hundred years later.

Just don't get me started on Australians.

	08-09-2002 11:57									#78
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No doubt about it France was a big help during the revolution but one must remember they had successfully fought for several years without the French and, in all probability, they eventually would have prevailed even without French assistance. It just would have taken longer but in the end the British would still have gotten tired of the expense of fielding an army so far from home.

The same cannot be said about France's fate without U.S. help. It is more then just likely the French lines would have stayed broken (and thus France over run) if the Americans hadn't charged into the Ardens Forest in 1918. We don't even have to talk about WW2...

	08-09-2002 12:05									#79
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	08-09-2002 15:54									#80
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You'd never win your revolution without the French.
And You brought their kingdom to a downfall.

	08-09-2002 17:46									#81
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The French helped us at that critical juncture, true, but we also helped them -- by keeping British attention divided when the French needed it divided.

	09-09-2002 06:21									#82
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 French DO have a pissed off inferiority for not being able to match the english at world "culture" dominion. English have the US, the US "has" the world, the english language is all over the globe etc etc They definitely have that complex.

Hey... What is the diplomatic language nowadays ???

Oh, its french... Maybe our language is more subtle than english then...

And why no one is answering at M. Brillat Savarin ?

	09-09-2002 06:33									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka But you gotta love French Resistance! Especially in 'Top Secret'. Val Kilmer rules, ok?

"Nice Shooting Chocolate Mousse!"

	09-09-2002 06:39									#84
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Much of the tension is fairly recent (aka post WWII) and directly related to the usually unstated French Policy of thwarting U.S. policy whenever it is convenient to do so. It's not really a personal thing, but has a lot more to do with very different national political philosophies and aims.

I get along fine with French people, though it would be a much more pleasant country to visit if the women looked better. I suppose my standards are impossibly high after living in Boulder for years, but if Germany can produce large numbers of foxy women then why can't France?

	09-09-2002 06:40									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Pandemoniak Hey... What is the diplomatic language nowadays ??? Oh, its french... Maybe our language is more subtle than english then...

Since when? The most common diplomatic language is English. Its been a LONG time since it was French. The UN has FIVE official languages. French is one of them. Maybe your were thinking that being one of five makes it the THE diplomatic language.

How many words are there in French? English has over 500,000 some of them stolen from France of course. We are willing to use the best words for the job even if we have take them from other languages. In France you are breaking the law if you put a sign with the word T-shirt on even though the word is in fairly common use in France.

Of course all that theft of words from languages with vastly different spelling conventions and often different alphabets, if any, has made learning to spell English the major nightmare that it is today. Sorry about that part.

	09-09-2002 06:42									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Sikander I suppose my standards are impossibly high after living in Boulder for years, but if Germany can produce large numbers of foxy women then why can't France?

Maybe they all moved to Southern California. We have plenty here anyway.

	09-09-2002 06:46									#87
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"Heh, heh heh, no one ever picks Italy."



Personally, I think it's because Canada would be too easy to pick on--we still have a certain amount of noblesse oblige, after all. So blame France instead.

	09-09-2002 07:44									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Faeelin Ahem: Explain when. I mean, you could consider the days of the war of spanish succession, or napoleonic, but as in both cases they weren't able to exert superpower status, because everyone went up against them. Literally, in some cases.

The fact that it took everyone in Europe to stop them should be an indication of their status. If it takes everyone to stop you, then you are indeed the most powerful country in the world.

	09-09-2002 07:47									#89
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For about 15 years, France was, indeed, the most powerful country on the continent

Britain's maritime prowess made them the most powerful country overall, even at the nadir of their strength (during the years of the American revolution, when they were fighting France+Spain on the high seas and the colonists in NA).

	09-09-2002 09:01									#90
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good thing about French is escargot....that, and the French Revolution.

Napoleon kicked Europes a**. Took Russia to beat him.

and I also think America woulda lost the war w/out French help.