09-09-2002 09:04									#91
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and Sophie Marceau is still a hottie

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	09-09-2002 09:19									#92
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going to have to agree with frankie here...french women definately make up for any french short comings...it is, however, a beautiful country. If we could just annex it and get rid of the french men, it would be a damn nice place....

	09-09-2002 09:21									#93
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I like french people

and the french country

(I have never been there or met anyone who was french)

but it is sort of a running gag to make fun of the french

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	09-09-2002 10:51									#94
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Without the French the Americans would have been toast in the War of Independence!

Everyday that you wake up you should feel grateful to the French for your existence…

Perhaps New York should give back the Statue of Liberty too!

The reason Yanks get the sh*ts in Paris is because just as they refuse to speak any language other than English, the French refuse to speak to anyone in any language other than French. It is their country after all!

Not to mention that New Orleans wouldn’t exist, and that would be a crying shame as it seems to be the city with the most personality in the US.

It always makes me chuckle when I see an American complain about arrogance…

P.S. Brillat-Saverin was a good man indeed! My G/f has his ‘The Physiology of Taste’ on loan from the library as I write this!

Of course, his book would be a cultural anathema to Americans considering the blandness of ‘American’ food, so it's little wonder none of them have replied to you Pand…

	09-09-2002 11:45									#95
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quote: The reason Yanks get the sh*ts in Paris is because just as they refuse to speak any language other than English

Perhaps its the food. Then again I have heard the rest of France also thinks Parisians are rude. Kind of like most Americans think about New Yorkers.

quote: It always makes me chuckle when I see an American complain about arrogance…

Must be your inferiority complex. Do Ausies still mostly think their accent is crude?

quote: Of course, his book would be a cultural anathema to Americans considering the blandness of ‘American’ food, so it's little wonder none of them have replied to you Pand…

I take it the author had only been to the midwest. Must have avoided California and Texas entirely. American food is not just steak and potatos. Or McDonalds even if that did spring from California.

	09-09-2002 16:42									#96
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French women are pretty Nothing mathces the Greek Godesses though. They have that "je ne sais quoi"

German gals OTOH look like beasts Like truck drivers

	09-09-2002 16:51									#97
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 It's very funny actually But why is it? Is it because you have been taught that France screws you over every time it can?

Because they chomp on onions and say hon he hon he hon.

	09-09-2002 17:18									#98
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C'mon, they helped us get rid of Godzilla!

	09-09-2002 18:07									#99
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quote: Originally posted by frankychan Napoleon kicked Europes a**. Took Russia to beat him. .

I allow Spain a lot of that credit. It a fraction of the distance overland from frnce to Cadiz than to Moscow. Napoleon made it to Moscow, but not to Cadiz, and the casulties piled up from 1808 to to 1814 are similar in number to thoses inflicted by Russia.

	09-09-2002 18:12									#100
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He made it to Cadiz, I thought. Only stayed there for 2 months though, as Wellesly's men had burned the land behind them...

	09-09-2002 18:13									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola I allow Spain a lot of that credit. It a fraction of the distance overland from frnce to Cadiz than to Moscow. Napoleon made it to Moscow, but not to Cadiz, and the casulties piled up from 1808 to to 1814 are similar in number to thoses inflicted by Russia.

I think the British have to take most of the credit fro that

	09-09-2002 18:15									#102
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GIven that the Spanish were Nappy's allies until 1811 or so, I'd have to say that too.

	09-09-2002 18:32									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola I allow Spain a lot of that credit. It a fraction of the distance overland from frnce to Cadiz than to Moscow. Napoleon made it to Moscow, but not to Cadiz, and the casulties piled up from 1808 to to 1814 are similar in number to thoses inflicted by Russia.

There was 200 000 soldiers in Spain to hold the ground. Though they suffered heavy casualties, they were still not destroyed, which means they took less than 200 000 deads during five years (1809-1814).
There was over 400 000 deads in Russia in less than a year.


And about the topic : it's called "cultural opposition".
Frenchs and Americans are both very arrogants and proud people. They have both experience of being the indisputed world leader (though USA has much more a lead and is ACTUALLY the leader) and experience of having overwhelming cultural edge.
On top of that, Frenchs always considered Americans as ignorant spoiled brats with a mercantile subculture, while Americans always looked at Frenchs as snobbish d*cks pissing everyone with their past glory.
How can you imagine they could like each other

Notice by the way that both USA and France have more bash-threasds than all other nations put together. Isn't it amazing ?

	09-09-2002 18:58									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Akka le Vil There was 200 000 soldiers in Spain to hold the ground. Though they suffered heavy casualties, they were still not destroyed, which means they took less than 200 000 deads during five years (1809-1814). There was over 400 000 deads in Russia in less than a year. And about the topic : it's called "cultural opposition". Frenchs and Americans are both very arrogants and proud people. They have both experience of being the indisputed world leader (though USA has much more a lead and is ACTUALLY the leader) and experience of having overwhelming cultural edge. On top of that, Frenchs always considered Americans as ignorant spoiled brats with a mercantile subculture, while Americans always looked at Frenchs as snobbish d*cks pissing everyone with their past glory. How can you imagine they could like each other Notice by the way that both USA and France have more bash-threasds than all other nations put together. Isn't it amazing ?

Well your right about French arrogance.

What overwhelming cultural edge are talking about. Just because they had have a few intellectuals who could ponce around talking about matters philisophical does not mean they were culturally dominant.

	09-09-2002 19:03									#105
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heh. I think the intellectual "product" of France by far outpasses England's (or any other "modern" european nation's for that matter).

	09-09-2002 19:04									#106
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We are not talking about "mass culture" here of course

	09-09-2002 19:07									#107
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Wellington kicked the French out of Spain with very little help from the Spanish.

	09-09-2002 19:09									#108
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Since when did intellectual product equal culture.

	09-09-2002 19:10									#109
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Since always?

	09-09-2002 19:11									#110
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France starts stuff, then boogies.
Decades since they finished what they started.
They're arrogant, even moreso than Greeks.
They stink.

Take your pick on why.

	09-09-2002 19:13									#111
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quote: Originally posted by Akka le Vil And about the topic : it's called "cultural opposition". Frenchs and Americans are both very arrogants and proud people. They have both experience of being the indisputed world leader (though USA has much more a lead and is ACTUALLY the leader) and experience of having overwhelming cultural edge. On top of that, Frenchs always considered Americans as ignorant spoiled brats with a mercantile subculture, while Americans always looked at Frenchs as snobbish d*cks pissing everyone with their past glory. How can you imagine they could like each other Notice by the way that both USA and France have more bash-threasds than all other nations put together. Isn't it amazing ?

You get the prize for making the best post this thread.

Hands Akka the prize

	09-09-2002 19:20									#112
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Still the average yankee is MUCH more pleasant than the average french

Maybe it is a bit more interesting to have a conversation with a french (although it's not an absolut) but the most funny/nice/outgoing/pleasant to be around are the americans.

Wildly generalizing of course.

	09-09-2002 19:25									#113
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Since always?

The french were not even culturally dominant in Europe,

Im music they certainly wern't dominant.
In painting tehy had many good artists but so did The Netherlands,Spain and Italy.
In literature they are at least equalled by Britain.

How then are they culturally dominant

	09-09-2002 19:26									#114
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French revolution and the ideals of humanism maybe?

	09-09-2002 19:32									#115
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 French revolution and the ideals of humanism maybe?

Very important, but they couldn't even do their revolution right. They got rid of a king and ended up with an emporer

	09-09-2002 19:33									#116
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 French revolution

The idea of blood running through the streets was hardly a new one in Europe.

	09-09-2002 19:36									#117
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Humanism??? What world have you been living in?

	09-09-2002 19:36									#118
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It did lead to the overthrow of monarchy and set the foundations for the modern nation state by which all european countries operate and on which basis they are formed. (yes even the UK although it doesn't like to hear it and prefers to talk about... westphalia (sp?)

Apart from that the ideals of humanism were unprecedented in their wide scope.

	09-09-2002 19:39									#119
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Zorba: It was the Peace at Westphalia that brought us the concept of the nation-state, not the French revolution.

	09-09-2002 19:40									#120
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