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Well EVERYONE involved failed abysmally at Verdun. A monsterous waste of human life because every damn General involved insisted on getting men past machine guns by using the soon to be dead bodies other men to catch the bullets.
And what good did it do to the take the place anyway. No one was going anywhere afterwards because there was no way to supply troops more than twenty miles from a rail line which for both sides ended at or near Verdun.
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Jul 2002
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Originally posted by Main_Brain
I American-French Conflict must have been created by the French Present the famous Statue of Liberty..
by sending this Monument the French indirectly said 'hey look We can create Great Things' (implying the US cant.
but thats just my 2Hours after Midnight impression.  |
Well, theres not only the Statue of Liberty. The white House is a bigger copy of the Palais de la Légion d'Honneur, Palace of the Honour Legion, a famous medal. I dont think french intented to offusk american when they offered the Statue of Liberty, but I notice americans copied many french buildings and architectur. Like we copied it on Italian during the Renaissance.
It is IMHO the true proof that USA copied France because of France's impressive cultural influence, like France copied Italy during Renaissance for the same reason.
(Actually, the Pentagon, the Golden Gate Bridge and big buildings such as the Chrisler building are the only example of american architectur I could quote, tell me if I forget something  (I know its very very mean, but I just couldnt resist))
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Dry
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Brussels
Sep 2000
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I think that there is a love-hate relation between those two.
They both have helped the other in the past, but none of them really wants to fully acknowledge the help they received.
I think those two love each other, but they are unwilling to acknowledge it, so they tenderly hate each other.
In fact, they are competitors on some points.
They both claim to be the mother/champion of democracy. The US for being the first in the world, France for being the one who spread it throughout Europe (world?). They both wants to teach the rest of the world what 'real' democracy is. "Don't belive the other ones, WE are the true democracy, the others are just false prophets"
Between Suez and Panama, what is the best?
- Suez, answer the French, because it was the first.
- Panama, answer the American, because it was the hardest to build.
And you know the old joke:
Sorry sir, but may I ask you your opinion about world feeding problems?
- What does 'feeding' mean, answered the Polish ?
- What does 'opinion' mean, answered the Russian ?
- What does 'world' mean, answered the French/American?
works for both...
and you may add:
- What does 'sorry' mean, answered the Parisian?
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Pandemoniak
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of Xanadu, French Section of the Apolyton Must Crush Capitalism Party
Jul 2002
time: 06:22
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Originally posted by Dry
I think that there is a love-hate relation between those two.
They both have helped the other in the past, but none of them really wants to fully acknowledge the help they received.
I think those two love each other, but they are unwilling to acknowledge it, so they tenderly hate each other.
In fact, they are competitors on some points.
They both claim to be the mother/champion of democracy. The US for being the first in the world, France for being the one who spread it throughout Europe (world?). They both wants to teach the rest of the world what 'real' democracy is. "Don't belive the other ones, WE are the true democracy, the others are just false prophets"
Between Suez and Panama, what is the best?
- Suez, answer the French, because it was the first.
- Panama, answer the American, because it was the hardest to build.
And you know the old joke:
Sorry sir, but may I ask you your opinion about world feeding problems?
- What does 'feeding' mean, answered the Polish ?
- What does 'opinion' mean, answered the Russian ?
- What does 'world' mean, answered the French/American?
works for both...
and you may add:
- What does 'sorry' mean, answered the Parisian? |
How do you know som much about my bostonian ex-girlfriend and me ?
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Akka
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In front of my computer.
Nov 2001
time: 06:22
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Originally posted by JohnT
Which they did, which still didn't help them... at least, not until us Yanks went "Over There." |
THAT at least is a good illustration about WHY Frenchs and Americans have tense relationships.
Frenchs are somehow irritated by the american habits to say that nobody could do anything without them. They are also somehow irritated by the constant "we saved your arses in WW2" and rewriting history to give themselve a better role (should I remind our JohnT friend that Germany had allies too, just like France, in WW1 ?).
I suppose that Americans are pushed to these behavior because they are themselve irritated about the dismissive attitude of French toward them.
That's a vicious circle of course.
[DUMB PATRIOTIC MODE ON]
Oh and BTW...
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a. Not defending their homeland properly in WW1 and WW2.
b. Not being able to properly decolonize, leaving the US holding the bag (Korea, Vietnam).
The freakin' pansies can't fight worth a damn and their most famous ruler wore wigs and stockings. How can you not scorn them? |
I'm sorry, but I have to do my patriotic duty by scorning the total ignorance that American have about History 
1) WW1 : I suppose you base the assumption about defending the homeland about the fact that the front was stabilized in the north part of the France. I always considered that being able to stop an ennemy that has more material and manpower, and block it for four years, while sending troops on other frontlines, was being able to defend, but I may be mistaken
2) WW2 : it's probably convenient to forget that EVERYONE was totally crushed by the german army until 1942/1943 (including the courageous British), and consider that French were the only one to fall back. But as convenient it is, it just does not make it truer.
3) Indochina : Okay, on this one, we sucked plainly
4) Korea : I was not aware that Korea was a french colony. You learn at any age I suppose
[DUMB PATRIOTIC MODE OFF]
Darn, how I hate these ridiculous "history" arguing which has much more to do with d*ck size than with true facts.
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10-09-2002 13:51
) and I need to be off to bed.
(as would have been coming from some others too 
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