20-03-2005 02:40									#1831
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Sounds almost like.......

"Microsoft Windows did not detect a keyboard attached to your computer, please press any key to continue."

* Sparrowhawk

	20-03-2005 03:09									#1832
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smart guy......

(I was speaking to Zedd's comments about getting SoG up-and-running)

	20-03-2005 03:31									#1833
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I suspected as much , but it did remind me of the Microsoft message when I read that you wanted him to send a message if he was having computer problems.

I remember calling a tech line one time because I couldn't connect to the internet and one of the first questions I was asked was if I had tried their website for help before calling.

I am still watching this thread, but would rather not have to do a 'control n' at this critical stage, but let me know if it is needed

* Sparrowhawk

	20-03-2005 03:40									#1834
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I remember Zedd reported he wouldn't have access on weekends and so to come out with a time limit now doesn't sound well
I am impatient too but still Zedd is a new player and should obtain more time IMO.

Zedd, I would like to remind you are asked to say if we shall elaborate peace terms. If peace terms that would deprive Assyria of some cities and territory are unconceivable for you then say simply no.

	20-03-2005 09:10									#1835
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ST - Zedd is not new to this PBEM, only to the Assyrian position. He has had time to scan this thread, and to PM us for info. I think that by Monday night, he should give a clear answer, which allows Kull to play his turn, or allows us to proceed towards realistic peace talks.

Zedd - If you still haven't looked at the save by Monday night, please explain in more detail what is going on, and how much time you need. If it is just a file transfer problem, I imagine you can DL with almost any PC, and then save the files onto floppy disks... no?

Sparrowhawk - Thanks for your offer to help. I don't think this needs a Ctrl-N, though.

	21-03-2005 02:42									#1836
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King Zedanu,

The Alliance of Six has been discussing Terms of Settlement, and has agreed on the following "Six Principles for Peace" - map, cities, units, gold, security, & retreat:

1) Map - Assyrian Map is necessary for the Alliance to determine final status.
2) Cities - Six Cities to be gifted to the Alliance.
3) Units - All units killed by Assyria to be replaced.
4) Gold - Assyria must provide recompense for lost caravans and other expenses.
5) Security - Certain actions will be required to enhance future security (gifts of forts, agreements on borders, etc.)
6) Retreat - Assyrian units must retreat to the new Assyrian borders (TBD).

These terms are eminently fair, and far superior to anything (if anything) that Assyria might be granted should she fight.

If Assyria agrees to accept the "Six Principles", please so indicate.

Ramesses II

	21-03-2005 05:12									#1837
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Doesn't look like we'll need any Ctrl-N, Sparrowhawk. We're just delaying the next player (Kull) so we can either negotiate or resume the war with the new Assyrian leader.

	21-03-2005 17:47									#1838
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Apologies for holding things up, I hadn't realized Kull was holding for my decision.

As it is, it looks as if the "big Six" have already made up their minds that Assyria will be conquered. If that is to be so then it will not be willingly.

I regret that the alliance should be so set against us, I had faint hopes of converting a military empire into a more populous and prosperous state by re-invigorating Trade.

As the river of time flows only the foolish will try to paddle up-stream.....

	22-03-2005 09:19									#1839
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With a heavy heart, Pharoah turned away from the clay tablet. Perhaps it was the translation, but this message seemed as inscrutable as the rest. Perhaps Zedanu was trying to buy time, or perhaps he simply couldn't grasp the concept of Assyria versus the World. Well, be that as it may - the time of scribes and messengers and diplomats was over. Well, almost - there was one more scroll yet to send.....

And far off in the distant Jordan Valley, General Mekret - the recipient of that message - grinned to see the words he'd been praying to receive for over a fortnight, "Go, take thy chariots and grind Assyria into the dust". And with a wave of his hand, the chariots surged forth, turning Pharoah's words into reality, and soon the city of Amman, high on it's hill, lay charred beneath the fires of retribution.....

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	22-03-2005 09:23									#1840
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And thus it came to pass, despite the efforts of men-of-good-will, Assyria stands alone against the World!

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	22-03-2005 11:22									#1841
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Perseat is grateful to Pharaoh for taking the lead in the war against the Bloody Assyrians (and for his offer of a loan, for moving so quickly, etc).

Help Please - I got a unit this turn thru a civ2dip barter, and am not sure how this works. The program generated a new file, which I am supposed to apply at the beginning of my NEXT turn, correct?

I am a little concerned because most barter files appear to be 1KB and are labelled "MPL Data Files" on my PC, but the new one is 0KB and is just a "File". Is this normal, or should I try applying the 2830 barter again?

	22-03-2005 12:16									#1842
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Yep, I would get a clean copy of the save and try the barter again. Assuming the barter had no actions other than transfer of unit(s) the "new" barter should be exactly the same size as the original barter. It should be a couple hundred bytes minimum.

(And, yes, I wish Yaraslav would change Civ2Dip so that the barter files had a unique extension, ".btr" perhaps.)

	22-03-2005 12:46									#1843
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Thanks, Straybow. I have created a new copy of the new barter file, which looks OK. I have already played part of my turn, and assume there is no need to replay.

In hindsight, I think the 1st attempt probably worked. After refreshing the window, the file appears to have the same size as the others, 1KB. And I neglected to add ".dat" to the file name, assuming civ2dip would take care of the extension.

	22-03-2005 21:43									#1844
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Babylonian refugees poring across the Zagros mountains were shocked to hear that the war has spread to the entire known world, including Persia. Persian generals have positioned their troops to defend every mountain, river and plain. They anxiously await promised reinforcements, but they are already moving to push Assyrian borders back to Ninevah.

Persian wives grieve over the brave horsemen ambushed in the unclaimed lands north of Karekmish, which had been considered friendly ground. Also, two units of Persian charioteers lost their lives in a recent raid on the barbarian mountain fortress of Bat' umi. But the fierce Persian infantry pressed on, almost to the last man. The badly wounded captain of the surviving Persian skirmishers, Sinbad, became an instant hero to the people. He brought back a large chest of gold, which was used to pay long-standing debts to Persian masons, farmers and soldiers. Perseat ordered an extravagant parade in his honor, and only Lord Cyrus did not seem pleased.

By checking the bodies closely, the slain barbarians were determined not to be Assyrian. But Persian traders are still grateful that they are gone from the Kur valley. Perseat hopes that removing this threat will encourage foreign merchants to send more goods to Persia.

Persian priests were a bit disappointed that the burial of
Achaemenes was not well-attended by other Kings, but it is understandable in these perilous days. They have claimed a major breakthrough in their attempt to solve the Mystery of the Spheres, and they predict total success within their lifetimes.

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	23-03-2005 23:12									#1845
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I will be away from home up to monday 3rd April approximately. Please wait with my turn if needed.
Again I won't be able to download and upload files probably but will be able to answer, although not very fast. In case of opportunity I could send instructions for SparrowHawk, but I prefer to play by myself.

	24-03-2005 00:47									#1846
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I have to report a small mistake. I got a skirmisher in a 2830BC MP session and accidentally moved it in the same turn. If nobody objects, I will correct this by not moving the unit in my 2820 turn. It is in a deserted area far to the east, so there are no ZOC issues, etc. I am quite sure there will be no real effect on the game.

	24-03-2005 03:13									#1847
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What an Abomination! You must sacrifice all your camels and give up 12 cities right away!

LOL just kidding Peaster.. I don't see any problems at all.

	24-03-2005 09:13									#1848
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quote: Originally posted by Peaster I have to report a small mistake. I got a skirmisher in a 2830BC MP session and accidentally moved it in the same turn. If nobody objects, I will correct this by not moving the unit in my 2820 turn. It is in a deserted area far to the east, so there are no ZOC issues, etc. I am quite sure there will be no real effect on the game.

That raises a question. If Civ "A" plays before me in Year #1, gives me his unit, and I move it during my turn (also in Year #1), that would definitely be a problem. But if Civ "A" moves AFTER me in Year #1, gives me his unit, and my next to chance to move it is in Year #2.....is that a problem? After all, the unit only moves once during each year. I'm new to CivDip, so clarification would be helpful.

	24-03-2005 10:07									#1849
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Kull - The issue arises when units are given thru an MP session. With Civ2Dip, you simply cannot move the unit until your next turn - it gives you no choice in either case.

With MP gifts, I think the house rule is to not move the unit in either case, which would be consistent with how Civ2Dip works. But considering your question, I am not sure this rule makes sense.

Apparently with MP, the gift unit is automatically rehomed, but with Civ2Dip it stays homed to its old city. I think the old city does not have to pay support, but it does retain the unit's "nearest city" feature, etc, all of which seems like a bug to me.

I am pretty new to all this. Probably ST or Straybow can explain it better.

	25-03-2005 21:33									#1850
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Leaving for the weekend in about 1 hour, so I will post a check-in when I return monday.....

I would say good luck but then I would be waiting to see how many cities I will have left.

Good weekend all.

BTW played arround with my civ2dip and it looks like the onlything affecting gifted units movement is the turn number. So, if a unit was gifted in turn #1 it will not move again untill turn #2.

If the civ that gifted it did so at the any time during turn #1, then it would still move on turn #2, but a unit can't be gifted at the beginning of turn #1 and moved at the end of turn #1

Just to clarify...Turn 1 would be
Civ1- play save
Civ2- play save
Civ3- play save
Civ4- play save
Civ5- play save
then turn two would repeat.

I havn't tested the theory yet, I was just reading through notes on civ2dip.

Last edited by Zedd on 25-03-2005 at 21:43

	26-03-2005 15:25									#1851
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Sorry, guys, for the delay...
I am still awaiting some diplomacy news, I will play latest on sunday (happy easter )

	28-03-2005 00:39									#1852
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Here is the egg of the day
Enjoy!

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	30-03-2005 14:29									#1853
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An Assyrian chariot has been spotted wandering on the hills east of Mallia. Have a nice trip!
... but Zedanu must be warned that there are some units stronger than sissie skirmishers in the Minoan army.

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	31-03-2005 00:24									#1854
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I got home today but I am leaving tomorrow morning and I will get back on tuesday/wednesday, so please wait a bit if possible.

	01-04-2005 21:27									#1855
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:um: its Friday.....

	02-04-2005 00:38									#1856
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Zedd - I guess you will play in approx a week. After Straybow plays, it is SlowThinker's turn. He said he will be back middle of next week.

Hopefully, we are using this time to settle diplo issues, and decide on war plans, so the pace will probably pick up again soon.

BTW - pls note my ad in this forum for the "Hammer of the North" game, about to start at CFC. Even if you don't want to play regularly, we (CFC players) may need a sub occasionally, and maybe we (Apolytoners) can ask some CFCers to sub for us too.

	03-04-2005 04:22									#1857
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ST won't be able to play for a couple days and I'm doing some diplomatic stuff in the meanwhile... may finish up Sunday evening assuming overtime at work doesn't wipe me out.

	03-04-2005 22:13									#1858
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It looks I may be off home until friday, so tomorrow I will go to a bigger city (Bludenz) to search for an internet cafe attachment that allows to manage attachments. Again I have my notebook with me but this is not enough.

	04-04-2005 18:23									#1859
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Guys, I have a suitable connection now! I can play after Stray posts his save. I posted an e-mail to Stray with an explanation how to warn me to my mobil phone that the save is prepared.

	04-04-2005 20:56									#1860
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ST - Thank you for your efforts to keep in touch while away. I was thinking of who could sub for you... for example, I bet Germanos would come out of retirement for that.