25-04-2005 22:01									#1891
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Well, well, well. I have a chance to create a little thorn in the side of my adversaries with one little word...NO!

But of course that wouldn't be fair, ST is an honest player and I know enough about Hex-editing to be comfortable with what he proposes so I say

P.S. one of the extra Dl's is from me, after posting I reformated my PC to install Win2K which worked better with my Nvidia Video Card and allowed me to load AutoCAD 2005 without errors. I then realised I didn't save the game file so dl'd it to take back home.

	25-04-2005 22:14									#1892
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quote: Originally posted by Peaster In 2820BC, Persian spearmen entrenched in a swamp near Lake Urmia fought off an attack by a band of Assyrian skirmishers. The Royal Barracks was completed, and our Generals continue to prepare for war.

So much the propoganda of the Persian Media. In Assyria the truth shall be written...

"After a stand-off of several months, Assyrian Skirmishers camped along the Persian boarder were attacked and defeated by Persian Spearmen hiding in the swamps."

such is the way of the world and the biased hatred of our enemy's. But we do not run in fear nor waiver in our determination.

	26-04-2005 01:16									#1893
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Zedd, I am not sure if you are joking about this. I did not attack your skirmisher. When I opened the save from Kull, your skirmisher was gone and my spearman was wounded [and still fortified IIRC]. I assume you attacked during your turn, or some bug caused the AI to do it for you. Did you remember to type Control-N before saving?

Edit: The order of play is Assyria-Egypt-Persia. When I open Assyria's save for 2820BC in SP mode, both our units are alive. When I open Egypt's save, Assyria has apparently attacked me and lost. Sparrowhawk can verify this, if necessary. Can anyone can explain this?

If this is not Zedd's fault, I guess we must ask Kull to replay his turn, and I will have to replay too.

Last edited by Peaster on 26-04-2005 at 08:18

	26-04-2005 16:45									#1894
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No, I did not attack your spearmen, but I also didn't hit CTRL-N. I thought it was not necessary if the "end of turn" was flashing in the botom right corner.

I apologize, It is a stupid mistake and I won't make it again. If this is an isolated incident I am willing to accept the loss to keep the game moving, But would like to confirm that it is isolated.

Apologies to Peaster for the un-just accusations.

Last edited by Zedd on 26-04-2005 at 16:50

	26-04-2005 18:07									#1895
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quote: Originally posted by Zedd If this is an isolated incident I am willing to accept the loss to keep the game moving, But would like to confirm that it is isolated.

I am a newbie to this problem, but I think you can check the damage by loading my save (or Egypt's) in SP mode. You will probably find your skirmisher missing, and may find some other fortified/sentried Assyrian units have moved on their own.

	27-04-2005 05:47									#1896
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This is indeed a typical symptom happening after not hitting Ctrl-N at the "end of turn".
Technically spoken, the game status is saved such, that sleeping or fortified units still have their movement points.
When the next player opens the game, civ resumes the game from the saved point, which is still the civ of the foreplayer (unluckily, now under control of AI). Before the program passes control to the next civ (the human player), it still checks if "all things are right done". If the AI notice something "undone", for example an unmoved fortified unit, it could decide to move it just before passing on the turn.

That seemed to happen to Zedd

If Zedd likes to replay, I will vote for it, since in such a critical game situation this would be just fair.

I have already played my turn, but it would be most easy for me to replay it (a typical boring turn where absolutely nothing happened )

Nevertheless, I will attach it here just for case that Zedd decides not to replay and to let the game just go on.

Attachment: pbem_bc_2820_to_minoans.net
This has been downloaded 4 time(s).

	27-04-2005 18:57									#1897
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Zedd,
I also agree that you may replay (you'll get crushed anyway ).
Let me know if you will. Otherwise I shall play tomorrow.

	27-04-2005 18:57									#1898
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Zedd,
I also agree that you may replay (since you'll get crushed anyway ).
Let me know if you will. Otherwise I shall play tomorrow.

	28-04-2005 16:55									#1899
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Thanks La Fayette, an offer so nice you said it twice.

If there were any other movements I can't tell, everything else seems to be in place.

So Play on La Fayette, and thanks to you all for your consideration.

	01-05-2005 09:57									#1900
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La Fayette ??

	01-05-2005 14:15									#1901
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Sorry, no access to Apolyton recently (maintenance messages instead).
I hope to finish playing my turn today.

	04-05-2005 10:23									#1902
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Any progress ?

	04-05-2005 18:56									#1903
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We've all seen the pics of Brad with Angelina at the beach, but there's really no use crying over spilt milk.

Jen must simply pick up the pieces and move on. And we must stop worrying about her and get back to our game, however difficult at such a time as this.

	04-05-2005 22:37									#1904
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1) I understand nothing of what Straybow just wrote
(do you mind explaining ?).
2) I have had almost no access to Apolyton recently = sorry for the delay.
3) Here is the savegame (at long last)

Attachment: mi_b2820.net
This has been downloaded 5 time(s).

	04-05-2005 23:12									#1905
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LF, look at Straybow's post after Zedd was delayed with his last turn...

	05-05-2005 03:41									#1906
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I think La Fayette is showing his age if he doesn't know who Jennifer Aniston/Pitt, Angelina Jolie, and Brad Pitt are.......but then again maybe he knows who they are and is wondering what they have to do with Ancient Empires

To answer the last, I think it is nothing but then again, what do you want him to talk about while we wait for the savegame to be posted?

* Sparrowhawk

	05-05-2005 03:50									#1907
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Thank you SH !
I don't know whether that should be named lack of culture or difference of culture but I have never heard either of Angelina or of Jennifer

	05-05-2005 19:59									#1908
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I'm not surprised that our European buddies don't know about it. Brad and Jen were the "beautiful couple" that the tabloids once lavished with praise and now lament at their break-up. (Like we should be surprised.)

As Tina Fey on Saturday Night Live's Weekend Update said, "If these two got tired of having sex with each other, what hope do the rest of us have?"

	05-05-2005 22:23									#1909
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quote: Originally posted by Straybow what hope do the rest of us have?"

I consider this a very clear explanation

	06-05-2005 00:54									#1910
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Straybow, just one hour without Brad and Jen, is it possible? Couple of Barracks and Chariots , then back to Angelina .

	06-05-2005 12:58									#1911
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Hmmm...whaaa?? Now I have this vision of spending one hour in the barracks with Jen and Angelina.....man, given that inducement I'd probably re-enlist! Mmmmmm.

	06-05-2005 16:42									#1912
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SIGN ME UP!

	06-05-2005 17:55									#1913
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I don't give a hoot about being in barracks in Angelina, only thing I am interested about is to capture those four cities and to finish those three wonders next turn.
But it looks Straybow wants to follow our minimum-72-hours-rule.

	06-05-2005 20:23									#1914
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quote: Originally posted by SlowThinker being in barracks in Angelina,

I wonder whether the new pope would approve of such a direct phrasing (though he probably would agree with "close to Angelina" or something like that ).

	06-05-2005 21:32									#1915
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i think it is a typo - it should be "in barracks with Angelina"

	07-05-2005 00:37									#1916
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We all know that typos often reflect what people have in the back of their mind
(I don't blame you though )

	07-05-2005 10:33									#1917
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Ummmm, yes... that's right, capture four cities and build three wonders...

I'm not trying to hold to the 72 hr "minimum" ( ) but I need some feedback from Europe as soon as people wake up over there, and by then I'll be asleep...

	08-05-2005 06:08									#1918
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Another day, another dollar!

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	09-05-2005 02:22									#1919
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Today I will narrate something about history of Babylonian plans about the Tigris river.
We have docks on this river and Assyria hasn't. This is why in past we planned we would counterattack from here, since our ships would be safe on the river.
But when the agressor launched the attack, we noticed there were also two new Assyrian cities founded - "ikli" and "er". We supposed they are some secret strategic cities and were afraid one of them lies at banks of Tigris. This is why our attack wasn't so heavy and fast as we announced. We had to build some warships here and moved forward very cautiously, there was always a scouting ship on front of the formation. But now, it looks there is no Assyrian city here, because we heard no rumors about its presence. Next turn we will know definitely.
Although our landing forces didn't attack any Assyrian city yet, they control the shore (with cooperation with our scouts). This year they liquidated a group of Assyrian horsemen that was found on the Kish river. (We have a suspicion their action wasn't controlled by the Assyrian headquarters (?))

Attachment: bab_b2810.net
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	10-05-2005 09:15									#1920
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quote: Originally posted by Straybow Another day, another dollar!

...and +8 units!? The Persians switch all their research efforts from cosmology to blonde fertility symbols with big lips and tight biceps.