13-03-2005 17:29									#1801
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Zedd, an e-mail is an useful thing. For example it is only way how to obtain a recent DiploSystem info (a collection of secret information about other civilizations) from Babylon.

	13-03-2005 17:32									#1802
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germanos,

quote: Originally posted by germanos Despite of the blames flying around, I have acted in the interest of the game (IMO) to exactly do what I would have done if I had not decided to leave.

No blame from my side anymore, I have understood you decided to leave after the war began.

And I believe the status of 'beeing insulted' depends by 95% on the 'injured party'. In other words it depends on you if you want to feel insulted or not (IMHO).
Anyway I enjoyed the game very much with you as my neighbour. In both friendly and unfriendly periods. I will really miss you. (There were lot of events and diplomacy between us, and for me it is little bit like to be divorced )

(BTW do you still play any Civ2 PBEM? I noticed the Bonaparte here at Apolyton had been moved (and you don't continue there)...)

Annals
I have an idea that after the game finishes we could publish some brief/less brief logs/annals of the game so that we see what happened in other civs, how were plans and thinking of other leaders. For me it would be very interesting to read (and debate) these annals after the game finishes.
germanos, maybe you could prepare such a log before you forget the game?

	13-03-2005 23:20									#1803
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quote: Originally posted by SlowThinker Just wondering: since you are leaving definitely: will you open the save and look on the world?

Why do you ask?

quote: (BTW do you still play any Civ2 PBEM? I noticed the Bonaparte here at Apolyton had been moved (and you don't continue there)...)

What are you refering to? The Bonaparte? Was I ever in such a game? Still, if I left that game, I must have left a message saying so in the game thread.

And no, I don't play any PBEM anymore. There aren't any at Apolyton, and I left CFC after the game I played there simply died.



Regarding the insults: if you feel that it's my problem I feel insulted, why do you bother to apoligize? If apologies aren't sincere, then spare me your pity, I can live without.
I'll be happy with this divorce , even though the prize I will pay (leaving a game I have put a lot of effort in for two and a half years) is a significant one.
But these are the times I have to take my losses and go. I'll be happier when I have left it behind.


Turn up within the hour, I'm writing my report for both the thread and Zedd.

	13-03-2005 23:32									#1804
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I am just curious.
(And therefore I would do it in your situation.)

	14-03-2005 00:03									#1805
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quote: Originally posted by SlowThinker I am just curious. (And therefore I would do it in your situation.)

I'll leave you curious then

	14-03-2005 01:01									#1806
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Minoan caravan captured.
Assyria is not going to sit idle while Minoan traders finances the Babylonian army. Minos can talk pretty that Assyria is such an agressive nation etc. etc. but the truth is that from the moment we met Minos has taken a hostile attitude towards Assyria. A friendly division of Cyprus was rejected: for some reason Minos claims it Minoan even though no settlement had been build on the island nor was there any other indication of a prolonged Minoan presence visible. Similarly Minos has spread words that Assyrians where wandering in Minoan lands in Anatolia. Never has Minos warned us we were in Minoan lands, only if we found ourselves near Minoan cities. It is certain that Minos could have give us ample warning and instructions not to move in any given direction, but they choose not to do so.
Therefore we conclude that Minos was never interested in a peacefull cohabitation with Assyria, and the constant withdrawing from any trade-agreement has only strengthened our feeling. While at first setting out import taxes for Assyrian traders, as soon as the caravans where build further restrictions followed etc. etc.
Babylon has been able to bribe quite a lot of Assyrian units, and this is a serious setback for the Assyrian campaign . No doubt this operation was financed by Minos and others. Minos has expressed clearly it would finance Babylons war, and thus we will bring the war to the Minoans as well. Minos will need all his money to protect himself from the Assyrian hordes.


War declared by Hatta
Following our capture of the Minoan Caravan we received a message that the Hittite declared war on us. This came as no surprise, as Hittite Swordsman had already started to cross the Seyhan river west of Ish-Mandaroun. This is in violation of the Hittite-Assyrian border treaty signed by both the current Assyrian and Hittite Kings. Previous statements by the Hittite king made it likely they would finance Babylon as well, and they were being Minos’ lapdog in all matters. The incursion of Assyrian territory was likely to be just a first step.
Swift action was taken against Hittite forces both inside Assyria as well as in Anatolia. A handful of units was destroyed, not the least of them a caravan that was due to deliver goods to Nimrud.


War declared by Greece!
Following the attack on Hittite traitors, Greece announced it’s allegiance to Hatta and decalred war on Assyria. This decalaration has been accepted, and Greece can look forward to a nice encounter.
This declaration comes to no surprise to Assyria, as we have witnessed the transfer of a Hittite settler to Greece. Subsequent Hittete statements on creepy Greeks inside Hatta have been discarded as propaganda, as the Assyrian intelligence knew better. .
No further action was taken against the greeks as they are simply off our radar .


Tripple alliance a bad thing? Things can be worse!
So, Assyria is faced with Babylon financed by the triple alliance of Greece-Minos-Hatta in an attempt to bleed the Assyrians dry. Is that the only threat Assyria faces? No. The Persians have been non-cooperative, to say the least. And they have pledged they would assist Babylon in any possible way, given their lack of finances. Thus we have destroyed their scouts approaching on Karkemish and forces have been send to their undefended cities. If Assyria has to guard its Persian border because of the Persian banter, we might as well guard it on the Persian side of it.


Babylonian Front:
Little action since most of our offensive units have defected to the Babylonian side. Assyria must settle for the meagre destruction of an early chariot.


War with Egypt?
So far, Egypt has not been involved in any action, but Assyria expects that they will want their piece of the pie as well. No offensive action has been taken against them, but as there are currently 5 civs banging up on Assyria, we have little faith they will stay out, especially given their strong words about ‘destroying the balance’. Assyrian commanders fear that this signals an Egyptian invasion: either we are victorious over Babylon, which will destroy the balance. Or we will loose and the allies each take Assyrian territory: an equally disruption of the ‘balance’
We can however only muster a limited amount of troops, so we wait for their inevitable assault. Our defences are strong, and that is all we need.


Assyria dwarfed:
Word has been out that Assyria is the strongest civilization on Earth.
Many priests warn that Assyrians themselves will believe such rumours. The Minoan-Hittite-Greek-Babylonian civ, soon to merge in full when the quadruple Kingdom will effectively turn into a federation with a rotating King presiding over the four federate states (4 times per turn), will slay us, unless the Gods are benevolent and will grant us victory. Persia appears to be lost, as they have tied their fate to Babylon, and little help is expected of Egypt, whose primary objective would appears to be to grab as much Assyrian lands before the Allied gets any of it.
Assyrians! Don’t despair! We are strong and numerous and wealthy. Productive and skilled. Fertile and healthy. There is yet still a great future ahead of us.

Attachment: assyria_b2830.net
This has been downloaded 7 time(s).

	14-03-2005 01:07									#1807
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I will unsubscribe from the thread. If any of you need to contact me, use a PM. I will not receive e-mail notifications if people post here. (but I will if I get PM's). Offcourse, you can mail me directly as well.

The Assyrian Civ has never been passworded.


Farewell.

	14-03-2005 02:47									#1808
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Just for the record, Assyria and Persia recently discussed Assyrian borders near Karkemish. The slain Persian scouts never stepped foot on land claimed by Didanu. Needless to say, Persia has now joined the war against Assyrian agression.

	14-03-2005 04:04									#1809
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quote: Originally posted by germanos Many priests warn that Assyrians themselves will believe such rumours. The Minoan-Hittite-Greek-Babylonian civ, soon to merge in full when the quadruple Kingdom will effectively turn into a federation with a rotating King presiding over the four federate states (4 times per turn), will slay us, unless the Gods are benevolent and will grant us victory. Persia appears to be lost, as they have tied their fate to Babylon, and little help is expected of Egypt

It looks it is Assyria who was attacked and is the victim of this war ...
I think the young Assyrian King should tell us his stance, is he so pugnacious as his father?

(Babylon is prepared to send any old diplomatic document between Babylon-Assyria that is missing in the Assyrian libraries.)

	14-03-2005 04:09									#1810
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Farewell, germanos.

	14-03-2005 04:16									#1811
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quote: Originally posted by germanos What are you refering to? The Bonaparte? Was I ever in such a game? Still, if I left that game, I must have left a message saying so in the game thread.

No, it was my mistake: I meant Imperialism. Several months ago Imperialism and SoG were last PBEMs going at Apolyton.

	14-03-2005 04:56									#1812
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Just for the record: only one unit of Chariot II defected to our side. Assyrian soldiers report about appalling situation in Assyrian cities: there is not enough of bread for civilians, all people must work weapons for the army. Civilians are very dissatisfied with the warlike and diplomaticaly incompetent leader, I suppose the Assyrian cities could be bribed easily now.

We suposed Kish would be attacked (since Assyrian built a strong fort nearby), but it looks Assyrian soldiers are sissies and shudder in the fort. They can sneak-attack caravans and scouts only.

	14-03-2005 06:11									#1813
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quote: Originally posted by SlowThinker No, it was my mistake: I meant Imperialism. Several months ago Imperialism and SoG were last PBEMs going at Apolyton.

Not sure it counts as "going at Apolyton" but the 7 Player Vanilla Civ game is still "ongoing" (though only barely so, I think I have only played maybe 4 turns in the last year (that's why I laughed when you guys complained of the slowness of this game...this game is quick by comparison).

I started playing in that one over 4 years ago @550 BC and it is now @780 AD (I think).

It may soon be considered dead, and we have not actively posted updates in this forum, but I would still consider it an active game at Apolyton.

* Sparrowhawk

	14-03-2005 10:28									#1814
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Hi Germanos,

When it comes to our PBEM and all the recent events, keep in mind my earlier comment - "it's only a game"! To varying degrees, each player is modeling the behaviour of absolute rulers from a time long gone. Therefore any threats and tough talk should be viewed in that light - it's not the kind of behaviour any of us practice at home or with our friends - so please don't allow two years of great experiences to be ruined by a few months worth of nasty virtual power politics!

Anyway, it's been great having you onboard from the very beginning - you own the 4th post in this thread and are the last of the original players. Personally I always found you to be a friendly and knowledgeable guy, and leave open a permanent invitation to "come on down" to old El Paso, Texas for some cold beers and hot chile! Take good care of yourself in Syria in these coming months, and my prayers go with you - it's a tough part of the world.

May the bright Rays of Ra ever lighten thy path,

Paul

	14-03-2005 12:30									#1815
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Pharoah requests a temporary "pause" in his 72 hour limit until offline negotiations are completed.

	16-03-2005 08:18									#1816
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To germanos:
So long, and thanks for all the fish! (apologies to the late Douglas Adams)

To the Assyrian Consul (as he is escorted across the Seyhan):
The Minoan-Hittite alliance is ancient, and our arrangement with the Greeks had until recently been solely trade and tech oriented. But when Assyrian offensive units dallied rather than move directly out of Hittite territories we became alarmed.

In response, the peaceful empire of the Silver Throne used a few units to herd the Assyrians toward neutral ground. We also sent a solitary 1-move Swordsmen (yawn ) to block any probes across the river.

If the new ruler in Ninevah still wishes to take affront at our lowly Swordsmen as an excuse to harass and slay our servants then be warned that we shall extract a heavy vengeance upon Assyria.

	16-03-2005 08:37									#1817
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The Hittite Consul to Assyria notes that the new ruler in Ninevah closely resembles the former Regent of the Silver Throne whose portrait hangs in the hall of records.

Separated at birth?

	16-03-2005 09:20									#1818
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With a heavy heart, Pharoah notes the passing of his dear friend and brother, the mighty Didanu, High King of Assyria. He also serves notice to the young pup now ensconced upon the throne, that this has severed the bond which bound Assyria and Egypt. Be warned, Assyria now faces an Alliance of 6 Great Nations. The Chariots of Egypt stand ready to roll, her spearmen sharpen their blades, and the hounds bay and strain toward the north. All await but a single word to fall from Pharoahs lips, and then truly Assyria's fate shall be sealed.

Yet we hold a brief while to offer Assyria one last chance. Zedd, thy people have sinned mightily against the nations of the earth, and a heavy penance must be paid. Pharoah holds before you a cup of bitter herbs and sour - drink from it, agree now to accept the terms which shall be imposed upon thy nation, and the sons and daughters of Assyria shall live to see children of their own. Spurn this, thy last and only hope, and the armies of the Nations of All the World shall march north and south and east and west, measuring their step to the beat of the drums of war, and we shall slaughter every last man, woman, and child, until we join beneath the walls of Nineveh to witness the great conflagration that signals the final tortured hours of the last Assyrian on earth.

The choice is thine.

May Thoth guide thy mind,

Ramesses II

	16-03-2005 16:52									#1819
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technical note:

Before my turn I applied a barter with maps from Minos.
CivDip has evidently the following property: sizes of cities of third-party civs are refreshed (therefore I see exact sizes of Assyrian cities).
I am not sure how it works with a MP map exchange but I think it is different...(?)

	17-03-2005 22:19									#1820
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I opened the link in the first post to DL the scen files. But there was a SP zip file and a PBEM zip file, which do I use?

I have been a bit busy and havn't opened the last save yet but I will do so ASAP. I want to get a look at asyria before my "big chance"

	17-03-2005 22:36									#1821
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quote: With a heavy heart, Pharoah notes the passing of his dear friend and brother, the mighty Didanu, High King of Assyria. He also serves notice to the young pup now ensconced upon the throne, that this has severed the bond which bound Assyria and Egypt. Be warned, Assyria now faces an Alliance of 6 Great Nations. The Chariots of Egypt stand ready to roll, her spearmen sharpen their blades, and the hounds bay and strain toward the north. All await but a single word to fall from Pharoahs lips, and then truly Assyria's fate shall be sealed.

So has the passing of Assyria's Great leader somehow been translated into an act of war against Egypt, or am I mistaken that Egypt and Assyria were on Semi-Friendly terms?

You may well find that While I am not as "Hasty" as our previous leader, I do not shy away from battle.

quote: Yet we hold a brief while to offer Assyria one last chance. Zedd, thy people have sinned mightily against the nations of the earth, and a heavy penance must be paid

What price do you seek, what pennance is to be paid? Indeed for which "sins" would you seek redemtion?

How shall we price the folly of man, would Egypt like to lead us in fine example?
I will take stock in my kingdom and find what is best for it's people. If peace be the answer then Peace we will strive for. However, Assyria will not be opened to covetous hands for the sake of redemtion, instead I will offer the possesion I value most and covet above all else....Trust.

King of Assyria
Zedanu

	17-03-2005 23:25									#1822
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Zedd - I suppose you want the PBEM zip file.

Zedanu - This is not just about your relations with Egypt. Pharoah speaks for all of us in saying that Assyria has sinned, and must pay the price. If you do not take this chance for peace, you will also see Persian chariots rolling through your broken gates.

	17-03-2005 23:42									#1823
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Yes.
There might be semi-friendship relations between Didanu and Pharaoh, but evidently Pharaoh is not willing to wait when Egypt will be sneak-attacked too.

Six Kings will formulate terms of peace if Zedanu wants hear them (?). Then Zedanu will have a choice to accept or refuse.

Peace terms will encompass war reparations (like ground and cities) and conditions that will prevent Assyria to attack in the future (like restrictions how and where Assyrian units can move).

Last edited by SlowThinker on 18-03-2005 at 00:29

	18-03-2005 03:01									#1824
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Zedd, you didn't keep the scen on disk after you subbed for me last year? Anyway, this is the PBeM Wrath version. Iirc there is a separate file for Barb Wrath that you must d/l in addition to the regular PBeM scen files.

	18-03-2005 03:48									#1825
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I may have it on an old disk, but I'm not shure so I wanted to DL again. (New HDD since then ) I will try to find it tonight as my DL speed droped to 800 bytes per min.

I havn't looked at the save yet, but from the info I have gathered it would appear that Assyria is in the barganing position

I am open to "cease-fire" discussions and even treaties, but you will be hard pressed convincing me to give up anything that would chang my defensive status. I could very well agree to cut my forces in half and find "The 6 Kings" riding up to the capitol wiht 3000 war hungry veterans behind them.

	18-03-2005 04:28									#1826
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Yikes! Are you on a dial-up connection?

	18-03-2005 17:56									#1827
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I found the Scen files on an old backup disk.

Unfortunately that is my coorporate T1 line Some times I get up to 200 K and sometimes I barely get 1, Itsl like living in Vegas.

	19-03-2005 05:58									#1828
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quote: Originally posted by Zedd I am open to "cease-fire" discussions and even treaties, but you will be hard pressed convincing me to give up anything that would chang my defensive status.

The "Big Six" even now discuss terms that would ensure our safety in the event of future Assyrian misbehaviour. Thy bandit nation has sneak-attacked four of the six other civilizations of the world, and we grow tired of watching our backs. Assyria is much larger than the next biggest nation - ye own 18 cities to 13, 58 units to 31, and in size and quality of terrain, the advantage is greater still. We believe THIS to be the source of Assyria's bullying tendencies, and see no alternative other than size reduction.

Whether King Zedanu agrees to terms or not, this WILL occur. The terms our alliance is debating will not cripple Assyria - she will remain a major player on the world stage - but her days of dominance are over. Do not choose to follow the rash course of War Against The Six, for as surely as the Nile flows unceasingly North, things will be MUCH worse.

quote: I could very well agree to cut my forces in half and find "The 6 Kings" riding up to the capitol with 3000 war hungry veterans behind them.

This is thy certain fate should ye NOT accept the terms. Peruse the vast historical record of this thread however, and thee shall see a constant desire for peace over war. We do not desire thy destruction, for we have never chosen this path. Thy gracious acceptance of our terms will serve as certain notice that Assyria has chosen to follow a new path, and at long last desires to rejoin the fold of peaceable nations.

Restrain thy temper Zedanu, and heed this wise counsel.

Ramesses II

	20-03-2005 01:08									#1829
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Kull, Your request to extend the 72hr rule for this turn was reasonable. But when do we move on? I propose a deadline of two more days for Zedanu to make his choice and two days after that for your turn.

I don't completely understand Zedd's computer problems. If he needs info about the game, he can PM one of us, or maybe Sparrowhawk, for help.

	20-03-2005 02:18									#1830
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I agree - 48 hours for Zedd to respond (if you are having PC issues, just say so, and we can extend that)