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Viking News

The people of the Viking nation were shocked and dismayed to here rumor of the Slav nation being presided over by King Thor.

However Frazer managed to calm his people with an impassioned speech denouncing this man who styles himself after one of our great gods as a sacrilegious fake. The real Thor who joins the feast at Valhalla protects only his own people and will bring his mighty hammer to bear on any who dare to move against us.
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Welcome to the game King Thor, and TheBirdMan (now permanent) Goodbye Sophix, Goodbye Luk

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Turn to Klair.

A quiet change of power has taken place in England.

The former chairman Sophix had choosed to stay abroad on that luxury hotel, where he has been spending the last 2-3 weeks - bathing, gambling, drinking and doing even more decadent "amusements", while he had told his hardworking people, he would be working only to get rid of the "knowledge embargo", most of the world has put onto the english people after the terrible war against the vikings.

Viceminister Bird proclamed himself as new chairman. The new Duma accepted this by a democratic election, where 99,8% (499 of 500) casted their vote for Mr. Bird.

A proud Chairman Bird took the word in the Duma. He promised expansion of the english nation. New settlements, supported by the state. Moutainareas to be settled. Big forrests to be cut down, new fertile areas to be settled and added to english domination.

And most important: The English nation is fully supporting the PDRI. No nation should ever claim or demand anything from our countries.

One for all - all for one.

Chairman Bird.

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Umm .. fellas. I dont mean to be pushy or anything but how come Klair gets to decide if I play in the game? I dont get it. Slavs are an independent civilization that happens to be in an alliance with the French. Thats cool, and as any new successor I would be honoring those agreements, however, by letting Klair decide who succeeds the Slavs, you are ensuring a puppet government for the French. .. I mean this holds regardless of who takes over Luk's civ. Shouldn't this be a group agreement.

BTW, just so that you guys dont think this means that SFU is gonna break, I think SFU is gonna be just fine. .. Any discussion between the French and the Russians can take place AFTER the appropriate leader has come to power, and as any ally , the French could update the new leader on the agreements and decisions that had been taken between the old Russian leader and the French government.

I think its only normal that Klair would be concerned about who joins and his opinions on the SFU, but that shouldn't influence who gets to sub for Luk.

Just my 2 cents fellas. (yes.. absolutely right! I'm DYING to get my turn!!! )

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> Slavs are an independent civilization that happens to be in an alliance with
> the French. Thats cool, and
Yes and No. It's not a traditionnal alliance. We created a new nation called
SFU. It means that we have 2 governments but we speak with one voice, sort of
federal government.
We share the resource on the map. We decided together where we put some new
cities. Sometimes, we got some problems (elephant in the south and elephant
in the north).
When one player is not able to play the other one replace him.

> Shouldn't this be a group agreement.
Yes, I agree but I think I have a Veto right.

> Russians can take place AFTER the appropriate leader has come to power, and as
> any ally , the French could update the new leader on the agreements and
> decisions that had been taken between the old Russian leader and the French
> government.
No ! You must agree all old decisions and agreements or the alliance could be
break. It's not very easy to share like us the same country.

Klair, co head of SFU

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I agree with king thor on this point. When a new ruler comes to power it is up to him and his people whether or not to honor any previous agreement.

I'm sure there must be plenty of historical precedence, If only I new more about history .

In any case UK may be in NATO but the USA doesn't have any say in who the British Prime Minister is. At least that's what they tell us.

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Agree with Fraze.

But on the other hand - if the alliance breaks, both nations will have to use all ressources just to defend themself against the other. Just in case.....


But think if.....

As the slavs and the french has been settling, a war would be more like a civilwar and not a war between to nations

It would be rather easy to pick up the rest, when they are finish with each other. Nice wouldn't it?
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I think the best real world alliance you can come up with is the USA-Canada. The largest unarmed border. Greatest Trading partner. etc. etc. Canada and USA have always been the closest of friends and have hardly ever had different foreign policies.
Yet their governments are totally seperate and neither one interferes with the others matters.

Yes, if the SFU breaks it would be like a civil war, and I've already told Klair that breaking the SFU is just not possible. The two countries are two intermingled for it to be practical for them to be seperated.

And again, I understand Klair's concern about me agreeing to ALL of the previous treaties, but what stops me from agreeing to it now, just to get into the game, and then trash all those agreements? Will I be thrown out of the game?? The Slav and the French started out as 2 nations, that BOTH decided to combine ALL resources Strength, and policy. However, there ARE civil wars. The best allies turn to enemies some times. I still think that SFU isn't one country.
I think it is 2 countries with and EXTREMELY strong alliance.

It porbably isn't very easy to share the same country the way Luk and Klair have managed but, I doubt I'm gonna go invading the French and all, because it just doesn't make sense.

Look, I'm pretty certain that eventually Klair will agree to have me sub Luk, (unless I have some wierd characteristic that is scary to the French), since I'm probably gonna agree to all the terms of the alliance.
But my point is, I can always trun around, become a Hitler of sorts and throw it all in the garbage!!.

All I'm trying to do is, point out that now that Luk has left, The French want even more control over the Russians (ie. control over their new leader) which they didn't have before. Let nature run its course. Russia, is an independent country, I would lead them as an independent country. That is my style of play.
The French are Russias strongest Allies, and we will co-operate on all matters, but we will not be FORCED to co-operate. That is plain not fair.

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For Klair to simply be able to play the Russian Turn, until an obedient successor to Luk is found, is just just as unfair to the Game balance. The SFU is not the cooperative that it is painted as for otherwise why would Luk have shared Tech with Ireland, England's only Ally, to gain what France already had? A new leadership in Moscow does not mean the end of the SFU but it cannot mean that one Player can veto the replacement until she finds a puppet obedient to the will of French dictate.

BTW. Turn to Frazer.

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**** Moscow Times ****


The future of Russia: Is there one?

Since the retirement of the great Russian Leader, Luk, the Russian government has broken down into an unordered non-functional organization, with no clear leader emerging. No Russian party has been able to form a strong enough government to sieze control from the other factions.

Inevitably, the French government intervened and some sort of order was restored and the Russian people got their orders straight from Paris. This promise of an end to chaos, seduced the Russian people into becoming a slave country to France. Several experts had stated that these line of events were obvious from the start.

"It was inevitable, Russia was the weaker memeber of the alliance, and when their leader Luk retired, a political vacuum was created that left the Russian government tottering and unable to cope." said Russian political analyst Boris Kapowski, " Had the French not intervened, Russia could very well have fallen into chaos, and civil war. However, the decisive action by the French has also had some negative consequences on the Russian people. One of which was to transform Slavia into a slave nation for the French, and the other was to render the existing Russian governmental agencies even weaker."

However, there is some hope, the still functional and potent Russian military that has so far distanced itself from the political chaos in Russia has finally begun to take steps to bring in a stabilizing influence to Russia. This move is led by a Powerful General and War Hero, General Sviatogor Thor. He has steped in and united most of the Russian factions under his flag and the few that have not yet expressed explicit support for him dare not speak against him, for his popularity among the Russian people is unmatched. The military had exressed total loyalty to his command and several foreign governemtns have expressed their support of his government.

It does seem that General Thor is in the best position to sieze power in Russia, however he has been recieving some opposition from the French government who refuse to support him. They have shown reluctance in handing back the power to the Russian people, this is perhaps due to concern for the future of the SFU or perhaps because the French government fears that the General Thor is not well within their control and so may disagree on matter vital to French interests.
General Thor has flown to Paris and is attempting to hold meetings with the French leaders in order to allow a bloodless change of government to take place in Russia without political fallout occuring between the two ancient allies. However, General Thor's spokes person has informed us that he is finding the French bureaucrats evasive and noncommital.

It is evident that the future of Russia lies in the hands of the French if Thor does not challenge them. The control could pass to a someone such as General Thor who is more than capable of shouldering the burden of leadership, or it could stay in French hands with a puppet government keeping the public statisfied and preventing a civil war. Will Russia rise again like a mighty hurricane or will it be blown away by the gentle breeze of time?

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Turn to Klair.

Though interested in what happens on the nearby continent, chairman Bird decided, that other matters were more important.

Soon, the first groups of engineers are ready to move out, making new suitable places for settlement in the dark forrests and on the windy mountaintops.

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Turn to Frazer.

The PDRI would earnestly request that the Canadian capitalists should cease attempting to extort money from the proleteriat of Ireland, demanding the fruits of our Research Labs and, whilst having Aircraft over sovereign Irish land, demand that we should cease a trespass that has never taken place!

Our patience grows very weary.
Chairman Jon, PDRI.

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Turn to Klair.

Communique from Chairman Bird:

The first convoys of english engineers are now heading for the places, that was pointed out as suitable for new cities.

The terraforming of forrests to fertile grassland and farms are continued.

New mines are established.

The english nation prosper.

Long live the free people of PDRE and PDRI.


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Turn to Frazer.

Leaders of All Nations.

Please study the Map sent to you all and then ask yourselves would you too not have chosen to resort to the Gun rather than continue the fruitless search for a Diplomatic settlement of an ever worsening dispute?

Canada has bombarded the PDRI with, ever increasing, demands for money and knowledge and continuously trespassed upon both our territorial waters and airspace. The Mayans, formal Allies of Canada, have now chosen to flagrently ignore long agreed demarkation lines to the extent of sailing adjacent to an Irish City. It should be noted that, as suspected, when attacked we found the Mayan Destroyer was escorting a Transport Ship.

It was the fear of imminent invasion, as well as the proven fruitlessness of demands for withdrawel, that led the PDRI to the sad realisation that actions do sometimes speak louder than words.

This is not a War of Aggression but of Self-Defence! The coastal bombardment conducted against but a single Mayan City was a warning of the potential consequences of a continuation of their Imperialist Capitalist Policy against a peaceful and peace loving Worker's State. No attempt was made to invade Mayan or Canadian lands and only conventional weopons were used. The PDRI is prepared to change it's stance on both of these policies unless peace is rapidly achieved.

We call upon all World Leaders, with a sense of Justice, to condemn overt Canadian/Mayan Aggression against Ireland and do all in their power to persuade them away from this dangerous and, potentially for everyone, ecologically disasterous course of action.

Chairman Jon, PDRI.

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No matter what.

The PDRE stand by our comrades.

Chairman Bird.

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Hi,

I'm furious as Mayans asked Irish and said that the boat is going south and the transport ship transport only some diplomat !!!!

The mayans will respond very hard I think.

Moreover, It seems that Irish used spies against canadians !

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Russia celebrates as news spreads that French Bureaucrats have begun the process of packing up and leaving. Immediate control has been given to General Thor's military government.

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Leaders of the world. I have only just stepped into the office os a great nation and already I see the damage caused by years of neglect. Alas! It is too late to turn Russia into a super power. However, we shall build on what we've got. My people need a leader in these desperate times when Public services are obsolete and inadequate and basic needs are not being met. We will attempt to fix these and all similar problems.
Wish us luck.

Also we have recieved word about the certain "incidents" that have occured off the coast of Ireland. We are reviewing the matter and will come out with an official response to this later.
However, I express my deep regret over the recent chain of events and urge all parties involved to take a step back and reduce tensions, and resolve any dispute peacefully.

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The PDRI utterlly rejects the Mayan claim to have had nothing aboard that Transport but a Diplomat. Where was that Diplomat heading, an Embassey was already established with Ireland and nothing lies to her South, and why was it felt neccessary to provide Escort in a time of Peace. That the chosen route should have taken them adjacent to an Irish City is also strange as it would normally be considered Diplomatic Protocol to ask permission prior to entering the territorial waters of another nation. The question still remains as to the reason for a Mayan Interceptor over Irish lands, no permission was asked for this and it must be known that it would never have been granted.

As for the allegation that the PDRI has employed espionage against Canada it is nothing but pure fantasy! When was this supposed to have occured? Why has no mention of it been made? What leads the finger of suspicion to be pointed at Ireland? The answer to all of these questions is absolutely nothing as it is pure fabrication, a tissue of lies that had been intended to provide the excuse for the planned invasion that has now been forestalled!

Chairman Jon, PDRI.

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King Thor is holding a private meeting with the French Leader over the recent crisis between the Mayans and the Irish. The new Leader has clearly stated that Russia's commitment to the SFU will continue to be honoured and that once a decision has been reached SFU will hold a united stance.

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Statement by Frazer of the Vikings:

Shocked by the recent opening of hostilities between the Irish and the Mayan – Canadian nations we are in a difficult time. A time for decisiveness.

Whilst the Mayans have never hidden their contempt from the ways of our people, they simply ignore us. Our relationship with the Canadians has always been good.

However we must remember the agreement we made in the distant past to the Irish. We are not going to be remembered for breaking an agreement that the Irish managed to keep, even through the Viking-English war that split their interests.

At the time of the Viking-English war however the Irish did not break their diplomatic relations with the English, instead they played a game of two faces, not being entirely honest to either side in the conflict.

I have commanded the increase readiness of our military forces. Should sufficient encouragement and support from our good allies come upon us we will reward the loyalty with Tanks, Marines and strong words. Should the current situation become no more than a minor altercation between the nations involved as we hope. We will not compromise our international reputation with rash action.

We wait our turn.

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Turn to Klair.

Statement from Chairman Bird.

I have not yet ordered a higher readiness for our armed forces. They are patroling just as they did before.

Among other observations, a russian submarine was spotted.

Unfortunately, one of our tanks came too close to a german city - we shall leave asap and excuse our sudden apperance.

To the Vikings - though it might not be easy to believe. We will settle the great forrests between our nations, but we will do it with respect of your present cities.

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In response, the Canadian goverment claims that it is true that a Canadian city was spied on. We suspect the Irish because of their close proximity to this city. But also just a simple check with our diplomatic/science department indicated that the Irish acquired the stolen tech (space flight) during the turn. The photo I supplied to each of you indicates the city is in fact in an alert state indicating dubious activities and also shows its close proximity to the Irish border.

It is true that we have been showering the Irish with requests for gold and tech. We did this instead of crying to the world because we didn't want to embarrass the Irish people world with their goverments criminal like behaviour. We assumed that if the misguided Irish wanted to quitely reimburse us for their foolish actions than we would forgive and forget. They refused all demands that we asked of them.

I then asked my Mayan ally to help me track down and capture this spy. I regret that once again the misguided Irish engaged in evil activities and decided to attack and maim our innocent ally. He was only trying to help me catch this spy. Plus he has every right to be concerned on how the Irish conduct themselves on their borders. I do NOT want war but I will support our Mayans ally 100%.

We are amused that the Irish go crying to world for help after their crime. For those of you who wish to support the Irish, it simply says to me that you condone stealing and tresspassing. You will get no sympathy or support from me in the future. When this happens to you we simply shrug our shoulders and turn away.

We realize that the photo supplied by the Irish propaganda ministry makes it look like Mayan/Canadians are the aggressors. We implore to you this is not the case, we moved into their waters in search of this spy and to let the Irish know that we will not tolerate this type of activity on our borders. This whole messy affair could be ended with an Irish public apology to our people. Irish reimbursement of lost Mayan property. Also since our people lost a tech to the Irish, the Irish could reimburse us with one of their own tech, for example Robotics. And as gesture of Canadian nobility we would share this tech with all other countries of this world. All we ask for in this justice and peace so that we can spare this world from further conflict.

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The Russian submarine spotted by the English was patrolling the waters between the Russian and English Lands. Apparently these waters are heavily infested with English Battleships and our submarine is part of a small force assigned to keep tabs on the movement of these ships and make sure they stay in English waters.

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PDRI OFFICIAL PRESS OFFICE.

The PDRI has never used, or needed to use, Spies aggressively. There was never any 'private
protest' over any supposed wrongdoings on our part and, despite repeated requests, an
explanation for the ever increasing monetary and scientific demands made of us was never
given. It should be noted that Citizen Edison is a devoted Party Member and it was from the
fruits of his labours that Ireland gained access to Space.

This whole story is nothing but a tissue of lies to justify a planned invasion which, when
thwarted, has been dragged out in an attempt to save face. The Mayans have already changed
their story twice and the very idea that an unmanned SotL could detect a Spy passes belief!

The PDRI has no intention of apologising for a crime that it did not commit and still less of
compensating an aggressor for his failed actions. To dismiss a Transport and a SotL as
insignificant is also deeply misleading. There could have been, and probably were, eight
modern Units on those Ships and a surprise attack on an isolated Irish City could easily have
succeeded. Once established such a bridgehead would have taken a long and hard fight to
dislodge as well as probably destroying the City itself.

Ireland has never initiated conflict with any nation and the German suggestion that the
'Peoples Army' is like a firecracker is unsupportable. The PDRI fears no nation, nor does it
engage in the issuance of empty threats but does possess, and will use, the force to backup it's
ideological stance. To be forced to resort to violence was sorrowful indeed to Party and
People alike but there comes a time when hard proof is needed to illustrate resolve for words
will no longer achieve anything.

Ireland hopes for the re-establishment of Peace with both nations and will forgive them their
moment of madness. Until such time as this has been achieved however the PDRI will
continue to defend itself vigourously though the Canadian statement gives us cause to hope
that it might not be neccessary to carry that defence onto Canadian soil. We wait to hear what
comes forth Chechen Itza.

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A classical dilemma, someone is lying, but whom?

The age-old alliance between the Vikings and the Irish seems of no benefit to either nation. For the time being we remain trading partners, we need the money, the wolf is at our door.

The wolf comes in the form of English Marines who despite, their bird like leader talking peace, have crossed the border and entered Viking territory. The English are allies of our supposed allies, the Irish.

Fortunately a kind donation from our good friends the Canadians has enabled us to hurriedly recruit and train units at New Odense we are confident of repelling any English attack.

As a nation we are in a solemn mood as it seems the world is a large and unfriendly place and our ways of peace and co-operation are out of pace with the world.

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Turn to Klair 1½ hour ago.

Mr. Fraze of the vikings statement about the wolf has been subject to mild laughter in the counsil.

Yes - we WILL settle the great forrests. And yes, we WILL do it with respect of any EXSISTING viking cities.

We use marines, tanks and all other available units do investigate how much the viking settlements do cover.

No milatary units has been stacked in the area, we are "only" on alert and we has now signed the No Trespassing agreement, that the vikings presented to us.

Also we has signed a peacetreaty with the mayans - but we refuse to be slaves of the mayan. Therefore we has rejected their demand for isolating the irish people by making a tradeembargo against our brothers.

Our navy, heading for observation points has now been instructed to return home.


Chairman Bird

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Out of turn.

Pls read diplomatic message to Miss Klair of the french.

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English actions displease us greatly.

You have been harassing the people of my ancestral homeland , the Vikings for sometime now. But now you go too far.

I am in discussion with the French over this intrusion of our property and what type of response it merits.


Leaders of the World make note. The English placed troops on our land, without our consent and in secrecy. We are well within our rights to remove them without further notice...

[This message has been edited by King Thor (edited December 12, 2000).]

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Out of turn.

Message to leaders of the world.

We - the english people - are not harassing any other nation.

We have resently made a No Trespass with the vikings, a peace traty with the mayans, a traderoute with the slavs.

We do not wish to trash all this.

We simply seek land on our own continet for new settlements - even if this means we have to use huge ressources to make suitable places in the forrests - rather than wage war.

But we don't want to use the ressources just to see the place being settled right before our nose by another nation. Therefore our statement about existing cities.

As for our outpost on a foreing continent - as I wrote, it will not be settled though it has been "free" for use for very long time.

As soon as I am sure, the worldleaders has calm down and all had returned to a state of peace, we will be able to return to our land. As a sign of good will, the garrison will be reduced to half.

The only way to be sure, is to establish embassies with those neighbours, that has not allowed this yet - we are asking for permission to do that.

Chairman Bird.
[This message has been edited by TheBirdMan (edited December 13, 2000).]

 
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