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i'm not racist, they are turks
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Kublai, i dont know. i met some turks from Pontos (a distinguished Greek colony of Byzantium where they also gonocided people, killed and/or expelled greeks, the bastards) and when they found out i was greek they started get all excited and happy and telling me that their ancestors were greeks too.
i thought, what the **** dirty turk? but i didnt say anything cause i wanted my kebap unspitted
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Bereta_Eder
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they are turks, i'm not a racist
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Bereta_Eder
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Heresson, the Armenians got the worst deal, certaintly. The Turks literally massacred them (2 millions of women children and men) and it was the first genocide of the 20nth Century. Luckily they still have some part of their land to call their own. But 90% of it is captured by Turkey.
Kurds are a nation like Greeks who unlike us did not put forth a separate country for many reasons. Whole villages of kurds were burned up in eastern Turkey by the regular army of the Turks in the '90s.
Greeks have to deal with Turkey on a national level. So we are the most fortunate of the 3, I agree with that.
Last edited by Bereta_Eder on 21-09-2002 at 02:53
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You are right. Indeed they participated in the genocide of the Armenians since the Turks had promised them a country of their own if they did. The Turks never fulfilled that promice.
Really the Kurds are one of the most brutalized people on this earth, and completely forgotten by everyone, except Turkey's enemies.
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Bereta_Eder
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check the lattest provocation
Greece concerned over alleged Turkish aggression in Aegean Sea
Fri Sep 20,12:15 PM ET
ATHENS, Greece - Greece's defense minister expressed concern Friday over alleged Turkish "aggression" in the Aegean Sea, where territorial disputes between the rival NATO ( news - web sites) neighbors have nearly led to war in the past.
Defense Minister Yannos Papantoniou said most of the concern focused on alleged violations of Greek airspace by Turkish jets in recent weeks. Many of those alleged violations occurred during Greek military exercises held this week in the Aegean region.
"There is a general worry that concerns not just today's exercise and that worry is connected with the relatively aggressive position of the Turkish air force recently as far as violations and infringements of national air space," Papantoniou said. "I want to believe that this does not mean something worse."
During alleged violations, Greek jet fighters intercept and often engage Turkish jets in mock dogfights.
Papantoniou made the comments on the Aegean island of Chios, located near the Turkish coast, where army, air force and navy units wrapped up the annual Parmenion military exercise.
Greece and Turkey have long-standing disputes over airspace control and territorial rights in the Aegean. The disputes and the divided eastern Mediterranean island of Cyprus have almost caused three wars in the past 28 years.
Although relations have improve in the past three years, the two countries are no closer to solving their core disputes.
Greek officials worry that relations could deteriorate ahead of Cyprus' planned entry into the European Union ( news - web sites) at the end of the year. The island has been divided into Greek and Turkish Cypriot zones since 1974, when Turkey invaded the northern third of the island.
EU-member Greece has warned that if the island does not become a member, it will veto the entry of other countries. Turkey, which also wants to begin membership talks, has threatened to annex the Turkish-controlled north of the island if the EU accepts Cyprus before a settlement.
Greek parliament speaker Apostolos Kaklamanis warned after the military exercise that the legislative body would not ratify any EU expansion treaty if Cyprus "is not among the first, if not the first" country to join the 15-nation bloc.
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Bereta_Eder
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and another turkish provocia which is holding up the unified new european rapid reaction force.
Doubts have been raised about the future of the international peacekeeping operation in Macedonia.
Nato is due to hand over command of the operation to the European Union at the end of October.
Violence has died out after a peace deal last August
But now two senior diplomats, from Nato and from the EU, have told BBC News that Nato will probably have to stay on for another two to three months.
A disagreement between Greece and Turkey is stymieing EU attempts to forge a defence capability.
The operation, called Amber Fox, is a small affair - only around 700 troops, with the job of protecting international monitors in Macedonia.
But for the European Union, Amber Fox is deeply significant.
It was meant to begin on 27 October - and would have been the moment the European security and defence policy came to fruition.
But sources in the office of Javier Solana, the EU's foreign policy chief, have said to expect a delay of a month or more.
A senior diplomat at Nato put the delay at two or three months.
Turkish objections
The problem is that Turkey - a member of Nato - has balked at the prospect of the EU having access to Nato assets when they then might be used against Turkish interests.
An agreement was hammered out to prevent that - but then Greece said it wanted a reciprocal agreement protecting it. Turkey then objected.
Until Greece and Turkey can resolve their differences, the rapid reaction force will be going nowhere.
Diplomats in both the EU and Nato say the gap between the Turkish and Greek positions is tiny.
But they say there is a vast deficit in terms of the political will on both sides to secure agreement.
Making matters worse, they frankly concede, is the fact that Turkey's elections, due in November, make negotiations now extremely difficult.
Nor does this just have implications for Operation Amber Fox.
The EU has plans to have a rapid reaction force of 60,000 soldiers ready for deployment by June of next year.
That force is seen as key to the EU's global prestige.
Until Greece and Turkey can resolve their differences, the rapid reaction force will be going nowhere.
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