21-09-2002 03:25									#91
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Why? Wasn't there an explotion of nationalism with FYROM? Havent you seen the maps with half Greece in FYROM's claws?

or Croatia or Serbia? Every new born country has to go through that phase (or re-born, ok? )

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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 I suppose they'll have to live somewhere too, no?

Why?

quote: There can be common borders between Greece and Armenia without having to wipe out Turkey completely.

They should be transported to Turkmenistan.
Though I have a better idea. GERMANY!!!!

	21-09-2002 03:27									#93
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They already are in Germany

	21-09-2002 03:28									#94
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I dont get info about greece from media much, because they dont care about greece much here

but I visited web pages of Greek Helsinki Watch or simmilar. every country has those, and I wont do a link here because its a wealth of antigreek trolls there I dont want to hurt your feelings

quote: And I beg to diagree. Situation is far better in Greece than other EU countries. Just look at Spain and ETA. Or the UK and IRA. Really there is no comparison in the tranqquility of Greek society in comparison with other EU states. I mean that.

we are talking about state terrorism here. 99% greek country, but about a million foreigners in it. how? new greek math?

or how you dont allow macedonians to express themselves as such, or albanians, or turks. they cant register an organization, their children cant have their names... etc

better then the rest of europe?

	21-09-2002 03:30									#95
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 They already are in Germany

Not enough of them. I think that a partition would be a good thing; eastern Germany for Poles, western for Turks,
Arabs and Veietnameese in the middle, France for Germans.

	21-09-2002 03:31									#96
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quote: Why? Wasn't there an explotion of nationalism with FYROM? Havent you seen the maps with half Greece in FYROM's claws?

you take those too seriousely. I have seen maps of slovenia with half of croatia, italy and austria in it its a balkan habit to make such silly maps, you know something to talk about with your neighbours over dinner, or over gunpoint, depends

	21-09-2002 03:32									#97
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they are just jealous and have been beaten up by my trolls too many times before. they are just funny.

and yes. the helsinki observatory has damning stats about every european country including scandinavia (and boy indeed about croatia too ) .

the issues you mention are non existant

	21-09-2002 03:34									#98
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quote: Originally posted by VetLegion you take those too seriousely. I have seen maps of slovenia with half of croatia, italy and austria in it its a balkan habit to make such silly maps, you know something to talk about with your neighbours over dinner, or over gunpoint, depends

the party which made these maps was in power...

it was our duty to make sure than not one soldier would have to die because of those people's rampant nationalism.

i'm glad that FYROM is in tatters, we can control it much more easily now. and it does need controlling until it matures (dont worry we'll mature too alongside

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quote: and yes. the helsinki observatory has damning stats about every european country including scandinavia (and boy indeed about croatia too ) .

damn finns why cant they keep their noses in their own buissiness

quote: the issues you mention are non existant

	21-09-2002 05:36									#100
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about the slavs of the former serb part of the area known as macedonia

yeah they were asimilated, but they were not a lot of them anyway.


about the muslim minority, yeah they cant be turks untill there is peace with turkey. (and they are liked, the muslim minority, thrace is multicultural in the REAL sence of the word

still better than the civil war in FYRmacedonia and the slaugters and massacres of greeks ('20 asia minopr smyrna, '50s - constantinople) and kurds (rightnow) and armenians (2 millions for ****s sake early 20th century) in turkey wouldnt you say?

well I say, and the EU is saying and the UN is saying and NATO is saying so piss off

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	21-09-2002 05:38									#101
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plus the 1 million of immigrants are of course there. noone's saying any different.

and yes greece is 99% orthodox and homogenious, and you know that in the balkans homogenity is strength.

i think you're just jealous cause we benefited from that.

you should on the contrary press for the development of multicultural and multiethnical TOLERANCE in the balkans, if you are a supporter of whats good and fair and humane

	21-09-2002 05:40									#102
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jesus, you ethnically cleansed croatia,practically yesterday, and you have the cohones to speak?

	21-09-2002 05:58									#103
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Hatred is always greatest when the relations are the closest: I wonder how many Greeks can 'prove' they have to turkish blood in thier background?- I wonder how many Turks can prove they have no Greek blood? My guess, not many- you can live next to each other for almost 1000 years and not have gotten 'busy' with each other in all that time.

Heh. Us humans like to mate with each other, oftentimes regardless of one's ethnic, religious or national background. After all, beauty and intellect surpass all those things, IMHO.

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	21-09-2002 07:13									#104
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What I wanna know is, if Greek move to the US, why do they force their children to learn Greek and to marry Greeks? If you want to stay Greek, stay in Greece. If you want to move to the US, become American.

	21-09-2002 07:20									#105
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Gatekeeper, no matter the humanitarian will of what you qouted it has both the historical as well as the societal facts wrong.


Che, where did you learn that? in By big fat greek wedding?

I dont know what my brethern do or dont do in the US but i find what you say strange.


at least in Greece you can marry whoever the hell you want.

but granted, there might be complications in the family (the conservative ones )if the chosen bride/husband is from some ethnic backgrounds. I wont lie to you

	21-09-2002 07:25									#106
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about learning Greek, because you MUST it's your culture, your language and it's been around for longer than most things around you. it's a strong drive. I wouldnt take it well if my kid didnt speak greek (at least some )


I'd imagine the same principle applies to Greeks abroad about marrying Greeks (if what you say is true). Preserve the culture. :shrugs:

	21-09-2002 07:28									#107
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Dont tell me WASPS dont do the same when it comes to marriage. are they more americans?

isnt Tenet, your CIA chief american? he's greek (comes from greece)

wasnt doukakis?
stephanopoulos,
Tommy Lee (yeah the one with Pamela )
the singer of red hot chili peppers
or jenifer aniston(poulos)

and many others you propably know.

to become american you must abandon your culture? I thought cultural diversity is what makes us strong?

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	21-09-2002 20:16									#108
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Excellent thread paiktis.


The only good Turks are dead Turks.

I had a discussion about the Turk's traits in PTW(Sceintific and industrious???!!!!!) in the Thread "Turks" by Tiberious.

All four of my opponents aparently abdicated in face of my arguments.

	21-09-2002 20:35									#109
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Che, there's nothing wrong with wanting to preserve your ethnic heritage. Is celebrating St. Patrick's day American?

Every culture has its own demons. The turks just happen to have more than most. But seriously paiktis, what's the point of constantly posting this stuff?

(I'm glad you excluded Serbians from the inferior slavs, or else I woulda had to smack you! )

	21-09-2002 20:36									#110
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paiktis - though i'm not discounting your claims - you do seem to be racist against all Turks in your posts. I hope I'm wrong.

	21-09-2002 21:06									#111
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"but granted, there might be complications in the family (the conservative ones )if the chosen bride/husband is from some ethnic backgrounds. I wont lie to you"

Well knowing how right-wing you are I can only imagine how upset you would be if someone in your family marries a non-Greek.
..........

Another Right-Wing Greek.

Palaiologos:

1. You're an idiot.

2. You're a racist.

3. The Turks kicked your ass in 1453, get over it. Istanbul is a Turkish city now and forever.

	21-09-2002 21:43									#112
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Don't exagerrate. Turkey deserves bashing as it wasn't able up to today admit its own mistakes. In Van, one of capitals
of Armenia, today in Turkey, and a place where the Turks
met resistance in their action, stands a museum in which they claim that it were Armenians that were murdering the
Turks... Imagine that in a former synagogue Germans would
build a museum in which they claimed that it were Jews to murder Germans during the war...

	21-09-2002 22:14									#113
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I guess in your language kicking ass is pitting 600,000 men versus a garrison of 4,973.

And i don't blame you mongols for the conquest of Byzantium. I blame us and our failure to protect the Empire.

In 1821 we throwed of the Ottoman yoke, in 1921 we returned all the way back to Ankara.

It is called Constantinople, not Istanbul you savage.

And by the way an off-topic question.

What do you think of the Turkish traits in PTW?

I would suggest Millitaristic and Religious or Expansionist
Turkish millitary tradition left an impact on the Islamic world and all combat manuals were written in Turkish.

	21-09-2002 23:35									#114
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the scary thing is paiktis and his new DL are very likely, among the more educated, calm and tolerant Greeks

quote: The only good Turks are dead Turks

no, the only good Turks are greek muslems

how many times do I have to repeat that to get the message through?

	22-09-2002 05:12									#115
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Sava, no problem

quote: Don't exagerrate. Turkey deserves bashing as it wasn't able up to today admit its own mistakes. In Van, one of capitals of Armenia, today in Turkey, and a place where the Turks met resistance in their action, stands a museum in which they claim that it were Armenians that were murdering the Turks... Imagine that in a former synagogue Germans would build a museum in which they claimed that it were Jews to murder Germans during the war...

Heresson, exactly. Turks are monsters. Not really, They are "human", but their acts are monstrocities so it is the same.

They are responsiblie for genocide after genocide of millions, wont admit their attrocities whereas the whole world has seen them and they continue to massacre innocenty children and women, even today.

There only contribution to mankind is slaughter and devastation. A canceroma which must be cut.

There is no place for turkey in this world, especially not near us. It is just a matter of time.



Shi huangi, stop looking at yourself and posting at OT. Read my sig several times to find out who you are.

Vetlegion, Palaiologos is not my DL. I;ts the first time I see him. I guess I'll see him in real life in freed Constantinople

	22-09-2002 05:13									#116
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What does DL means?

I take it you refer to me.

But what does it stands for?

	22-09-2002 05:14									#117
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It means Double Login. By this they mean that one person has two logins.

	22-09-2002 05:16									#118
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Oh.

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Paiktis:

I ain't getting into this blood feud between Greece and Turkey, but I still stand by my thoughts that mating is fun, regardless of religious, ethnic and/or national backgrounds. Then, 40 weeks later, you get to cuddle a tiny bundle of screaming, thrashing joy! (And that's where 18 years of on-and-off torture begin, too.)

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	22-09-2002 05:19									#120
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Its the first time I see him. I guess I'll see him in real life in freed Constantinople

I'll drink to that.


Elpizo kamia fora na pioume ton kafe mas se kafeneio stis aktes tou Vosporou , kai oxi san Touristes