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Palaiologos is offline Palaiologos
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Paiktis:

I ain't getting into this blood feud between Greece and Turkey, but I still stand by my thoughts that mating is fun, regardless of religious, ethnic and/or national backgrounds. Then, 40 weeks later, you get to cuddle a tiny bundle of screaming, thrashing joy! (And that's where 18 years of on-and-off torture begin, too.)

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Why i don't think anybody disagrees with this view.

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I alithia einai oti kano kai ligi plaka

M'aresei na tin spao se merikous kai analambano ton rolo tou tourkofagou pou kai pou

Oxi oti ua mou epefte ashima i Poli eley8eri bebaia


Gatekeeper, that goes without saying.

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Ti omada eisai, an epitrepetai?

Athinaios eisai e?

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Panatha, alla den asholoumai kai poli

Nai athinaios, esi?

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Ego arianos.

Apo thessalonoki.

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Vasika ego ksaphiniastika apo afto to "fanatismeno" tupo ton epiheirimaton sou. Alla eipa "oi idees tou sostes eine, as tis upostirixoume".

Aftos o Fez alitheia aderfi eine i kanate plaka?

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Fenotan oti ekanes kai ligi plaka.

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Yparhoun poloi filoturkoi sti dutikoi europi. Kai sto thread "Turks" ta idia legane.

Afou den exoune zisei me tous Tourkous, den exoune empeiria apo autous ti milane?

Xeroun mono o,ti lene ta biblia, pou polles fores eine kai philotourkika.

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den yparhoun kai poli filotourkoi sti dytiki europi min nomizeis. apla den tous noiazei kai poli, alla kseroune. stin ameriki omos ontos yparhei terastia agnoia gia to 8ema...

o fez einai aderfara tou kerata oti egrafa einai alithia kai ehoun ginei prin apo ena xrono peripou

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four posts of uncoprehensable nonese in a row? He is too much like you not to be you paiktis

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se genikes grammes oi perissoteroi eyropaioi 8a syntah8oun ideologika me tin ellada para tin tourkia. omos ti na to kaneis afou ousiastika milame apokleistika gia i8iki ypostiriksi

sthn ameriki ta pragmata einai poli diaforetika afou i tourkia einai aparaititi gi'autous kai ta MME exoun frontisei na kapelosoun tis perissoteres parabiaseis anuropinon dikaiomaton pou sumbainoun stin tourkia.

pantos min lambaneis auto to forum os kritirio gia to ti oi an8ropoi pisteuoun. stin pleionotita ton periptoseon apla prospa8ei na tsantisei o enas ton allo

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four posts of uncoprehensable nonese in a row? He is too much like you not to be you paiktis



You are Croatian aren't you?

It may sound weird but my brother is fond of your country and reads about it's history a lot(Medieval primary). He has "transfered" a bit of his interest to me also.

He also loves your national soccer team.

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Distihos prepei na feugo. Pao na koimitho, i ora pige 4:05. Kalinihta.

Tha ta poume alli fora.

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Palaiologos we'll have to crosspost (post two replies in the same exact moment) to conveince him

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We just did(look at the time of the above two posts).

Kalinihta.

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yes, true.

kalinihta.

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paiktis, every Greek person I've met in the US has told me the same thing, they aren't allowed to date, let alone marry, non-Greeks. I laughed when you said over there anyone can marry anyone they want, after saying your country is 99.9% homogenius.

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"paiktis, every Greek person I've met in the US has told me the same thing, they aren't allowed to date, let alone marry, non-Greeks. "

Weird, isn't it? Considering how pathetic and worthless their culture is I don't see why'd they want to preserve it.

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STop posting in Greek!

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Shi, I love the ****ing Britain did to Ireland, my little half turk half/irish stalker and terrorist funder.


Che, weird That's the first time I hear about this. You must be hanging around with some pretty backwards people (and definitely weird )


Heresson, sorry

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"Shi, I love the ****ing Britain did to Ireland"

I know you must. Without it, my Irish ancestors would have never come to this country, and so if Britain didn't do that stuff I wouldn't exist- and since you love me so much you must be glad for that stuff.

"You must be hanging around with some pretty backwards people "

Of course he is, he was hanging out with Greeks.

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Sure I am glad for the ****ing Britain did to Ireland. But you should stop funding the IRA. The UK is your ally now, even though it ****ed your people up good.

And an Irish/Turk talking about backwardness?

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And an Irish/Turk talking about backwardness?"

The sad thing is that although Ireland's culture consits pretty much entirely of Guiness, they still have a greater one than you do nowadays... Not to mention my American culture with it's Microsoft and it's McDonalds, that totally kicks ur ass.

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you're so funny my little heartbroken compulsive stalker.
irish were worthless that's why british kicked their ass in the dirt. and american "culture" is a joke too.

our culture remains stronger than anything you or your kicked in the butt ancestors ever did.

meanwhile i wanna thank you for keeping this title in the first page, even thoughit's stronger than you. you have a history of **** ups.

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andt taking advantage of the chance you given me.


What is the Armenian Genocide?
The atrocities committed against the Armenian people of the Ottoman Empire during W.W.I are called the Armenian Genocide. Genocide is the organized killing of a people for the express purpose of putting an end to their collective existence. Because of its scope, genocide requires central planning and a machinery to implement it. This makes genocide the quintessential state crime as only a government has the resources to carry out such a scheme of destruction. The Armenian Genocide was centrally planned and administered by the Turkish government against the entire Armenian population of the Ottoman Empire. It was carried out during W.W.I between the years 1915 and 1918. The Armenian people was subjected to deportation, expropriation, abduction, torture, massacre, and starvation. The great bulk of the Armenian population was forcibly removed from Armenia and Anatolia to Syria, where the vast majority was sent into the desert to die of thirst and hunger. Large numbers of Armenians were methodically massacred throughout the Ottoman Empire. Women and children were abducted and horribly abused. The entire wealth of the Armenian people was expropriated. After only a little more than a year of calm at the end of W.W.I, the atrocities were renewed between 1920 and 1923, and the remaining Armenians were subjected to further massacres and expulsions. In 1915, thirty-three years before UN Genocide Convention was adopted, the Armenian Genocide was condemned by the international community as a crime against humanity.


Who was responsible for the Armenian Genocide?
The decision to carry out a genocide against the Armenian people was made by the political party in power in the Ottoman Empire. This was the Committee of Union and Progress (CUP) (or Ittihad ve Terakki Jemiyeti), popularly known as the Young Turks. Three figures from the CUP controlled the government; Mehmet Talaat, Minister of the Interior in 1915 and Grand Vizier (Prime Minister) in 1917; Ismail Enver, Minister of War; Ahmed Jemal, Minister of the Marine and Military Governor of Syria. This Young Turk triumvirate relied on other members of the CUP appointed to high government posts and assigned to military commands to carry out the Armenian Genocide. In addition to the Ministry of War and the Ministry of the Interior, the Young Turks also relied on a newly-created secret outfit which they manned with convicts and irregular troops, called the Special Organization (Teshkilati Mahsusa). Its primary function was the carrying out of the mass slaughter of the deported Armenians. In charge of the Special Organization was Behaeddin Shakir, a medical doctor. Moreover, ideologists such as Zia Gokalp propagandized through the media on behalf of the CUP by promoting Pan-Turanism, the creation of a new empire stretching from Anatolia into Central Asia whose population would be exclusively Turkic. These concepts justified and popularized the secret CUP plans to liquidate the Armenians of the Ottoman Empire. The Young Turk conspirators, other leading figures of the wartime Ottoman government, members of the CUP Central Committee, and many provincial administrators responsible for atrocities against the Armenians were indicted for their crimes at the end of the war. The main culprits evaded justice by fleeing the country. Even so, they were tried in absentia and found guilty of capital crimes. The massacres, expulsions, and further mistreatment of the Armenians between 1920 and 1923 were carried by the Turkish Nationalists, who represented a new political movement opposed to the Young Turks, but who shared a common ideology of ethnic exclusivity.


How many people died in the Armenian Genocide?
It is estimated that one and a half million Armenians perished between 1915 and 1923. There were an estimated two million Armenians living in the Ottoman Empire on the eve of W.W.I. Well over a million were deported in 1915. Hundreds of thousands were butchered outright. Many others died of starvation, exhaustion, and epidemics which ravaged the concentration camps. Among the Armenians living along the periphery of the Ottoman Empire many at first escaped the fate of their countrymen in the central provinces of Turkey. Tens of thousands in the east fled to the Russian border to lead a precarious existence as refugees. The majority of the Armenians in Constantinople, the capital city, were spared deportation. In 1918, however, the Young Turk regime took the war into the Caucasus, where approximately 1,800,000 Armenians lived under Russian dominion. Ottoman forces advancing through East Armenia and Azerbaijan here too engaged in systematic massacres. The expulsions and massacres carried by the Nationalist Turks between 1920 and 1922 added tens of thousands of more victims. By 1923 the entire landmass of Asia Minor and historic West Armenia had been expunged of its Armenian population. The destruction of the Armenian communities in this part of the world was total.


Were there witnesses to the Armenian Genocide?
There were many witnesses to the Armenian Genocide. Although the Young Turk government took precautions and imposed restrictions on reporting and photographing, there were lots of foreigners in the Ottoman Empire who witnessed the deportations. Foremost among them were U.S. diplomatic representatives and American missionaries. They were first to send news to the outside world about the unfolding genocide. Some of their reports made headline news in the American and Western media. Also reporting on the atrocities committed against the Armenians were many German eyewitnesses. The Germans were allies of the Turks in W.W.I. Numerous German officers held important military assignments in the Ottoman Empire. Some among them condoned the Young Turk policy. Others confidentially reported to their superiors in Germany about the slaughter of the Armenian civilian population. Many Russians saw for themselves the devastation wreaked upon the Armenian communities when the Russian Army occupied parts of Anatolia. Many Arabs in Syria where most of the deportees were sent saw for themselves the appalling condition to which the Armenian survivors had been reduced. Lastly, many Turkish officials were witnesses as participants in the Armenian Genocide. A number of them gave testimony under oath during the post-war tribunals convened to try the Young Turk conspirators who organized the Armenian Genocide.


What was the response of the international community to the Armenian Genocide?
The international community condemned the Armenian Genocide. In May 1915, Great Britain, France, and Russia advised the Young Turk leaders that they would be held personally responsible for this crime against humanity. There was a strong public outcry in the United States against the mistreatment of the Armenians. At the end of the war, the Allied victors demanded that the Ottoman government prosecute the Young Turks accused of wartime crimes. Relief efforts were also mounted to save "the starving Armenians." The American, British, and German governments sponsored the preparation of reports on the atrocities and numerous accounts were published. On the other hand, despite the moral outrage of the international community, no strong actions were taken against the Ottoman Empire either to sanction its brutal policies or to salvage the Armenian people from the grip of extermination. Moreover, no steps were taken to require the postwar Turkish governments to make restitution to the Armenian people for their immense material and human losses.


Why is the Armenian Genocide commemorated on April 24?
On the night of April 24, 1915, the Turkish government placed under arrest over 200 Armenian community leaders in Constantinople. Hundreds more were apprehended soon after. They were all sent to prison in the interior of Anatolia, where most were summarily executed. The Young Turk regime had long been planning the Armenian Genocide and reports of atrocities being committed against the Armenians in the eastern war zones had been filtering in during the first months of 1915. The Ministry of War had already acted on the government's plan by disarming the Armenian recruits in the Ottoman Army, reducing them to labor battalions and working them under conditions equaling slavery. The incapacitation and methodic reduction of the Armenian male population, as well as the summary arrest and execution of the Armenian leadership marked the earliest stages of the Armenian Genocide. These acts were committed under the cover of a news blackout on account of the war and the government proceeded to implement its plans to liquidate the Armenian population with secrecy. Therefore, the Young Turks regime's true intentions went undetected until the arrests of April 24. As the persons seized that night included the most prominent public figures of the Armenian community in the capital city of the Ottoman Empire, everyone was alerted about the dimensions of the policies being entertained and implemented by the Turkish government. Their death presaged the murder of an ancient civilization. April 24 is, therefore, commemorated as the date of the unfolding of the Armenian Genocide.


Are the Armenian massacres acknowledged today as a Genocide according to the United Nations Genocide Convention?
The United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, describes genocide as "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group." Clearly this definition applies in the case of the atrocities committed against the Armenians. Because the U.N. Convention was adopted in 1948, thirty years after the Armenian Genocide, Armenians worldwide have sought from their respective governments formal acknowledgment of the crimes committed during W.W.I. Countries like France, Argentina, Greece, and Russia, where the survivors of the Armenian Genocide and their descendants live, have officially recognized the Armenian Genocide. However, as a matter of policy, the present-day Republic of Turkey adamantly denies that a genocide was committed against the Armenians during W.W.I. Moreover, Turkey dismisses the evidence about the atrocities as mere allegations and regularly obstructs efforts for acknowledgment. Affirming the truth about the Armenian Genocide, therefore, has become an issue of international significance. The recurrence of genocide in the twentieth century has made the reaffirmation of the historic acknowledgment of the criminal mistreatment of the Armenians by Turkey all the more a compelling obligation for the international community.

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you subhuman slav!

Greeks have no turkish blood. Is like saying pasta has mustard.


They have turkish blood .. on their knife balde ...

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The alleged Armenian genocide took place before other countries comitted genocide, such as Germany's and Russia, and yet you do not condemn those countries. This is because you are a racist and you are only care about such things when it gives you a chance to defame your enemies. And don't give me BS about the Kurdish genocide, you can not call it a genocide when 20% of
the population is still Kurdish.

And because you continue to publish that lie in your sig, I will now publicize your celebration of genocide for all the forum to see.

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what you write in your sig I never said, what I write in my sig, you did.

denying the armenian genocide is disgusting.

so is denying the massacres of the brave kurdish people.

my sorry little compulsive stalker, you are the lowest of the low

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You paraphrased me, I never said what is in there. If you want more accurate paraphrase though I could change it to "I think the mass murder and straving of a people is great!"

No you are the lowest of the low, though not because you actually defend mass murderings of the people, with your comments about Ireland. But what makes you so very bad is your continual racism against people you see as your enemies, and how you pine for the conquest of foreign land (constantinople). Racist language- wanting to retake land historically yours- politically you are the same as Mussolini and the Fascists. You are so far right you are an enemy of humanity.

 
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