27-09-2002 00:52									#1
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Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...-2002Sep25.html

	27-09-2002 00:53									#2
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Yet more US vassals to the pile.

	27-09-2002 04:05									#3
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Joining Nato will mean a tremendous enhancement of national security for those countries in the new century. Especially for the Baltic countries.

Now let's see if the Danish precsidency can get a couple of them into the EU later this year...

	27-09-2002 04:17									#4
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I think Iraq should be allowed to join Nato.

	27-09-2002 04:21									#5
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I think NATO should change it's name.....mayber WorldWideTO?

BTW, welcome all.

	27-09-2002 05:06									#6
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Resistance is futile.

	27-09-2002 05:11									#7
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I will sleep better tonight knowing that the US will be committed to defend Slovenia's borders.

	27-09-2002 05:13									#8
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If everyone joins NATO, then what?

	27-09-2002 05:18									#9
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We all hold hands and sing songs.

	27-09-2002 05:23									#10
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara If everyone joins NATO, then what?

The US wins?

	27-09-2002 05:58									#12
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why did russia make such a radical change in its policy towards NATO recently?

	27-09-2002 06:02									#13
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Just a pragmatic approach, I guess. Accept what you are unable to change anyways.

	27-09-2002 06:06									#14
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Yes, that friendship between Russia and USA became the last think for me to became anti-nato instead of pro-nato. Russians can't ever be trusted in my opinion (as history shown ) and they were considered the biggest threat and the biggest reason to join NATO. If they are almost in NATO themselves, than there is absolutely no point to join that organisation. I think that if Russia would annex Lithuania (assuming that Lithuania would've joined NATO), USA would do nothing, just maybe condemn Russian actions...

	27-09-2002 06:07									#15
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i didn't even know where slovenia was, i had to look it up on a map

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My god... NATO expanding East. If I didn't know better, you'd almost think the geopolitical situation had changed since its founding.

	27-09-2002 06:08									#17
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this is the rule

the richer and advanced a country is, more against NATO it is, the poorer and backwards pro NATO

you can check that by comparing GDP of countries taken in and support in polls NATO membership has

Our neighbour, Slovenia, is most advanced of the mentioned countries. They do monthly polls to see peoples opinions on the issue, for a few years now. Remember, memebership has to pass ratification in the parliament(s)

The support is around 50%. Barely there.

and in Bulgaria it is , what 90%?

draw your own conclusions about what it takes to want to join NATO

http://nato.gov.si/eng/public-opini...lts/2002-01-02/

	27-09-2002 06:11									#18
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Maybe Vagabond and Tassadar should team up.

I think many Middle Eastern countries will see NATO (if they don't already) as the tool of the "Western Satan". Another crusade, another infidel that must be repulsed.

	27-09-2002 06:11									#19
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quote: i didn't even know where slovenia was, i had to look it up on a map

no sweat, bush doesnt know either (true)

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your basing your arguement about all 7 countries on just the results of Slovenia? well, that and a guess about Romania. I got to say, your debating skills are the best here on apolyton

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quote: your basing your arguement about all 7 countries on just the results of Slovenia? well, that and a guess about Romania. I got to say, your debating skills are the best here on apolyton

facts are not to be debated H Tower. and I mentioned Bulgaria, not Romania, check that map again.

	27-09-2002 06:16									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Sonic Yes, that friendship between Russia and USA became the last think for me to became anti-nato instead of pro-nato. Russians can't ever be trusted in my opinion (as history shown ) and they were considered the biggest threat and the biggest reason to join NATO. If they are almost in NATO themselves, than there is absolutely no point to join that organisation.

Don't worry, Sonic. Brace yourself up: Russia is far from being a full NATO member. It might well be that this is not even possible in principle.

	27-09-2002 06:18									#23
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Interesting statistics, VetLegion.

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quote: Originally posted by VetLegion facts are not to be debated H Tower. and I mentioned Bulgaria, not Romania, check that map again.

ok, i was wrong about which country you mentioned, but I still want to see facts from the other 6 countries that joined. You've still haven't backed up your claim

	27-09-2002 06:19									#25
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though its same with Romania

its like this: poor countries want to be like the west, want to integrate and so on

so their governments sell them NATO membership as a great diplomatic achievement and a gateway to civilased world

ahem, memebership in a military alliance means being part of the developed world?

that is how they present it, and people buy it.

in fact, it simply means US gets another market for its two generations old weaponry

	27-09-2002 06:20									#26
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quote: Originally posted by frankychan Maybe Vagabond and Tassadar should team up. I think many Middle Eastern countries will see NATO (if they don't already) as the tool of the "Western Satan". Another crusade, another infidel that must be repulsed.

Does being pro-Hive make you pro-NATO or anti-NATO?

	27-09-2002 06:20									#27
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quote: ok, i was wrong about which country you mentioned, but I still want to see facts from the other 6 countries that joined. You've still haven't backed up your claim

yeah I want to see them too

I m not going to dig through the internet just to prove you a point. Placing a worm of doubt is enough for me

	27-09-2002 06:24									#28
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and just to mask the simple fact that its all about arms sales, NATO invented all sorts of political standards you need to become a member. The most important one is a developed democracy and civil control over military.

Take Turkey for example....


um, wait, dont

	27-09-2002 06:28									#29
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quote: Originally posted by VetLegion in fact, it simply means US gets another market for its two generations old weaponry

This is the economic foundation of NATO expansion.

	27-09-2002 06:28									#30
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In Lithuania support is about 60%, after very much of government's propaganda everywhere. First it was lowerer.