07-10-2002 02:18									#1
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This is a project that is still far from completion. It is 5-10% done so far. I plan on creating a scenario of the world today. I will use Marla's World map (I will place the cities.) I will mod it a bit, adding several units, most notably tanks. (3 types is not enough for the entire world!) I'll maybe add 15 tanks and several planes. I'll also find leaderheads for the major countries. I'm not promising new ones for the little countries.

There will be 16 civs:

1. United States - Has the US, Israel, and its overseas territories. Israel should be with the US because the US is its best friend out of all the major world powers.

2. Great Britain - Has the UK, its overseas territories, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. (I like having Canada be seperate from the US, I like having Britain and Australia be seperate from the EU, and I like having Britain be powerful. This arrangement fits all three.)

3. European Union - Has Europe minus Russia and England, French Guyana, and some random little islands.

4. Russia - Has Russia, some Eastern European countries, and maybe some little countries in Asia.

5. Union of Muslim Nations - Has the Middle East, Egypt, Indonesia, and the -istan countries

6. India

7. China - Owns Cuba, China and some little countries around it like North Korea.

8. Southeast Asia - Owns Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, Bangladesh, the Phillipines, ad a bunch of other island countries.

9. Venezuela - Owns Venezuela, Colombia, Guyana, Suriname, and Ecuador.

10. Brazil

11. Argentina - Owns Argentina, Boliva, Paraguay, Uraguay, and Chile.

12. Mexico - Owns Central America

13. Japan - Owns Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, and South Korea.

14. South Africa

15. Congo

16. Saharan Africa

So those are the countries. The first thing for you guys to help me with: North and South American cities. North America, Venezuela, and much of Brazil are done. I want you to point out any misplaced cities you see. I will correct them next weekend, finish South America, and do Europe. Then two weeks from now, I'll do Africa and the Pacific Islands. Then i'll spend two weeks on Asia. Then I'll start placing units and doing all that stuff. So you'll see a complete version in about a month.


(Civs 13-16 edited in. Forgot to post em but I had thought them out.)

Last edited by Jaguar on 07-10-2002 at 03:15

	07-10-2002 02:23									#2
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	07-10-2002 02:47									#3
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A few suggestions:

There are various problems with the civs. First, all of Southern Africa is left blank- unless you ban settlers, this will mean chaos in that area.

There are three ways I think you could arrange states- by market organizations, or by ideologies, or leanings for and against certain things or states: With the world as fractures as today, this type of scenerio to fit all 190 sattes is very difficult. For Example- all the Islamic state together is not accurate at all. Many hate each other, have divergent paths, so forth. If India goes o war with Pakistan, it would not be at war with iran, it might even court Iran, for example. They can't all be together.

Too many civs in Latin America.

Russia has too much power: eastern europe should be independent.

You left out Japan! and south Korea, Taiwan, so forth.

	07-10-2002 03:12									#4
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Oh sorry I forgot to list some civs. I planned them, just didn't post them. I'm editing them in now

	07-10-2002 03:18									#5
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I intend on having a lot of cities but banning settlers. Mexico sending settler stacks up to newfoundland is annoying.

Do you think I should get rid of a civ (congo maybe?) and use the spot somewhere else?

	07-10-2002 03:21									#6
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Another idea: incorporate Venezuela into Mexico?

	07-10-2002 03:52									#7
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You should keep Congo, and remane it Nigeria, sionce Nigeria is the biggest state in Africa.

Saharan Africa,a dn islamic states could be split and remodeled: Arab League (all of North Africa, ME), split this from other Islamic states like Indonesia, Palkistan.

In latin America, you should have only 3 civs, not 4.
And I still think Russia has too much: you could have Mexico (alll Caribbean, Central America, Colombia), Andean states (what you called Venezuela, plus Peru, Bolivia) and change Brazil to mercosur- include argentina, and extra.

But again, with the wrld as screwy as is, it is hard to classify- not like during the cold war.

	07-10-2002 04:32									#8
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I think Russia is ok with East Europe included. I can just not give their cities many improvements and give them out of date cold-war weapons.

	07-10-2002 04:36									#9
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What do you suggest I do with Pakistan, Indonesia, and Afghanistan then? If I put them together, what would I call them?

	07-10-2002 04:51									#10
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Add Iraq and forget the other middle eastern ones. Also add Israel. IF you want I have everything for an Israel civ because I have added about 10 civs to my game already.

	07-10-2002 05:26									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Sheik Add Iraq and forget the other middle eastern ones. Also add Israel. IF you want I have everything for an Israel civ because I have added about 10 civs to my game already.

I could make an israel civ if necessary.

what do you mean "forget the other middle eastern ones?"

	07-10-2002 05:28									#12
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adding Isreal wouldn't make much sense, I mean why put in a civ that would probably only have 2 cities up against all these other major countries? I mean even France, Germany, Spain, and Italy have to share a country!if you want to make an extra Civ any of them would be more desearving, or maybe everything east of Germany in Nato and everything to the west in some other organization.

Iraq is a good idea though. If I were going to suggest anything in the middle east I'd say just give Isreal to the middle east as you'll only fit a couple cities there and then give the US Saudi Arabia.

	07-10-2002 05:46									#13
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Dont add Iran and Afghanistan just Iraq. The reason I suggest Israel is because they are an important US ally and are the biggest middle eastern power.

I would keep all the European countries seperate too.

	07-10-2002 06:00									#14
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It's just to small though, it would be like adding North or South Korea as it's own country, there wouldn't be enough room to do anything and they don't have any over seas holdings. If some one where to make a bigger middle eastern only map where Isreal could have more cities then it would make sense but on a world map Isreal is pretty insignificant in land area, especially if the Middle East is all going to be part of one country including all the "istans" how would they possibly compete with that?

	07-10-2002 06:03									#15
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oh yeah and you may want to make all the "istan" countries part of Russia and give them old cold war era junk, then make eastern europe it's own power and make western europe a seperate power too. Just an idea.

	07-10-2002 06:12									#16
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I think Israel should be controlled by US. However, I'm still open to changing around Africa, South America, and the Muslim countries.


I have a feeling this is gonna be debated to death.

	07-10-2002 06:26									#17
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you make a good point Cidifer.


It sure will jw

	08-10-2002 03:47									#18
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hey, nice idea... looking forward

union of the muslim nations?
if so, don't forget the other african muslim nations (marokko, libya, algeria, tunisia, but also nigeria and other middle-african countries), former soviet muslim nations (turkmenistan, uskebistan, etc.) and various other nations (philipines, malaysia)

otherwise i'd suggest you divide your muslim nations union list into arabs (whole of north africa, middle east) and persian nations (iran, pakistan, afghanistan) and just lazily merge indonesia with your Southeast Asia civ - like nigeria probably is in your saharan african civ.

	08-10-2002 03:50									#19
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REQUEST: can you do different world sizes and not just the giant/mega/giga size? maybe one huge, standard or something between?

tip: don't forget to spread resources, otherwise some nations will really have no chance at all (e.g. give civs without strategic resources some luxury resources.

	08-10-2002 04:16									#20
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some more ideas:

- add some eastern european countries (hungry, czeck republic, poland and possibly the baltic states (estonia, lettonia, lithuania) and possible some of the former-yugoslav nations (slovenia, croatia, bosnia) to the european union... it's only a matter of time (approx. 10 years) until they will join the EU.
this would make the russian union a little weaker. same for usbekistan/turkmenistan as i said in an earlier post.

- israel as part of the USA makes sence. i agree with you, jaguar warrior

- forget venezuela, except for it's oil, it's not very important. why don't you merge it with argentina, making a spanish-speaking south american civ. mexico get's central america and the caribbeans (incl. cuba: allthough it's pseudo-communistic, it doesn't belong at all to china!) and brasil stays on it's own (jungle's are very powerful in civ3 when cleared). give brasil some advantages to compensate their size (e.g. luxuries: bananas, dyes, football-talent-hearth (the REAL football - most popular sport in the world), etc.)

- drop congo, use position for splitting the muslim civ (as in my first post)

- give taiwan to china. allthough they don't like belonging to china, they really are chinese, not japanese... power up japan by giving them more efficient workers (industrial) and a powerful and cheap navy and bombers.

- rename merged nations into "..... union". e.g.
o argentina+venezuela --> southern latin american nations
o mexico --> northern and central latin american nations
o great britain --> commonwealth
or shorter names of course

hope some ideas might be included thanks in advance!

how will you solve corruption in world-spread nations (e.g. britain+canada+australia)?

	08-10-2002 04:54									#21
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2 fp buildings will work pretty well for Britain's corruption problems. Random island outposts will still be corrupt and not big production centers.

Here's an idea to keep Japan and England from falling behind: Make a uber-resource that adds about 10 sheilds/trade. Put these near the world's great cities. Only an elite few will get this resource- Tokyo, London, New York, and maybe a couple others. The fact is that no 2nd/3rd world metropolises are gonna come close to these cities' power, even in 30 or 40 years. So it would be good to show these super powerful cities' importance. (The Now scenario at CFC made Japan and England bigger in land area, which is ugly and inaccurate.)

I like the idea of the Persian nations and the Arabs. I'm gonna do that.

More later, I'm gonna eat dinner now.

	08-10-2002 06:53									#22
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SA is almost done, just working on inner Brazil. I think I'll promise all continents but Asia and Africa done by next Tuesday.

I have 15 civs right now, you tell me what you think should be the 16th. (Or other changes)

In parentheses are countries that are put in this group. If the group is named after the country, I didn't bother putting them in parentheses.

1. England (Canada and Australia)
2. USA (Israel)
3. Japan (South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore)
4. EU (EU countries)
5. Russia (Little Asian countries)
6. Southeast Asia (Thailand, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Cambodia, Vietnam)
7. Mexico (Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador)
8. Spanish South America (Peru, Bolivia, Paraguay(?), Uruguay, Argentina, Chile)
9. Brazil (Paraguay?)
10. South Africa (All non-arab Africa)
11. Arab States (North Africa and ME)
12. Persian States (Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan)
13. Russia (Some of East Europe)
14. China (NK, Mongolia, Nepal, Tibet)
15. India


I still don't think the Taiwanese should be under a Communist State. Same with SK, Taiwan, and Singapore. US takes them, maybe? Or they could be separate from Japan.

	08-10-2002 06:56									#23
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Uber-Resource: Saltpeter? I could just make it not required for Cavs, and make it a bonus resource. Saltpeter isn't very important at this time. All civs will have riflemen at least.

I could also use horses if I needed multi-level uber-resources.

	08-10-2002 07:56									#24
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Jaguar:

I think how you arrange the states should be based on what you think should happen, or at least, eb most likely to happen in your scenerio.

Let me give an exmaple: i once was making a cold war scenerio in 1983, which obviously is simpler than what you are trying, to still: The way I arranged states was by ideological blocks. I made the Us seperate from the Rest of Nato, had the Warsaw pact as one, then arranged states as either neutrals, Us allies, Soviet allies, and states not allies, but leaning either for the US or for the Soviets. Under this scheme, Syria, Egypt, Israel, Iraq, and Iran where all in different civs, because in reality, they had varying aims. Under what i sought to simulate, a cld war battle between the two superpowers, making all the arab states the same, as is so commonly done, amde no sense, since they would not all have just allied with the soviet and attacked israel (which was lumped with taiwan, South Africa, and other strong US allies), specially Egypt.

I mention all of that to simply make a point: whats the point of the scenerio? What do you think should, or could happen? when you laytest it, what woul you like o see? I think answering these questions is crucial to deciding what sattes should go were.

	08-10-2002 22:00									#25
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Excuse me but I disagree with the south americans civilizations, Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay and Paraguay should be under a same civilization called Mercosur (That is like the European Union of Latin America), and there are much more things I share in common with a Brazilian than with a Colombian, even culturally.
Chile and Bolivia will probably join the mercosur in the next 15 years.

You should have 2 civilizations in South America, The Mercosur (Argentina,Brazil,Uruguay,Paraguay + chile and bolivia) and the Andean Community (Venezuela,Colombia,Ecuador and Peru), you can even include Panama in the Andean Community, it used to be a part of Colombia.

	09-10-2002 02:19									#26
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Creo que El Mercosur va a empequenecer los Naciones Andinos si lo uso... Brazil y Argentina juntos son muy poderoso.

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Pero estoy en acuerdo. Es el opcion mejor.

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That would be the most accurate thing, but, if you want you can take out Bolivia from The Mercosur and put it in the andean community.

	09-10-2002 03:03									#29
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ok, then take mercosur and the andean states.

i still believe brasil and the spanish speaking countries (paraguay too, btw) should be two seperate civs, because mercosur is more like a trade federation (economy-based... and economics can change fast), while the cultural and language difference is something permanent.
but otoh an argument of an argentinian is most probably more valid than an argument of a swiss

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Do you think I should use Harlan's Resource Mod?