16-11-2002 02:16									#91
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Mubarak in cairo is the best leader for the Arabs, as Egypt is the biggest and most culturally important Arab state. At the same time, this might mean peace in the ME, since the bigest and most important Arab regimes (Egypt, SA) are US allies. Why not put EU capitol in strausbourg? Central location, site of Eu parliment?

strasbourg is too close to Paris.

	16-11-2002 03:18									#92
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well.. then so is brussels.

and to decide what's the capital of europe, my next choice would in fact be berlin.

why?
- germany is the clearly largest european nation (80 million, vs. approx. 60 million in GB, france and italy)
- germany also has the highest GNP
- summed up, frankfurt (germany) has the biggest capitalisation of europe, except london, which however is in a separate civ in your scenario.

so in my opinion: berlin as capital. münchen (=munich), hamburg and frankfurt as further cities (and please use the native spellings of the cities)

	16-11-2002 03:20									#93
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oh... and something else to make in more realistic:
put 2 foreign citizens in german cities: turks
and in french and spanish cities some arabs

	16-11-2002 03:23									#94
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and my last post for the moment:
please DO make a smaller version aswell (maybe 120x120) because i just tried teturkans world map with placed cities and although you start with no units except the king, even the first moves took way too long... and on his map 3/4 of the world isn't even inhabitated!

so pleeeeeease, pleeeeeease, pleeeeeease

	17-11-2002 03:21									#95
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quote: Originally posted by sabrewolf oh... and something else to make in more realistic: put 2 foreign citizens in german cities: turks and in french and spanish cities some arabs

Not possible with current editor options.

I think there's a smaller scenario like mine, fortunately. I've seen screenshots but never actually found the scenario.

	17-11-2002 03:24									#96
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quote: Originally posted by sabrewolf well.. then so is brussels.

Strasbourg is directly between Munich and Paris, which are about 3 squares from each other. Brussels is farther north, so it is represented. So the question, I think, is Berin, Paris, or Brussels.

	17-11-2002 04:22									#97
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1st brussels
2nd berlin
3rd paris

(order of my preference)

	17-11-2002 10:56									#98
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Ok, I'm overseas at the moment Just come back from russia (and travelling there again) I'm in Shanghai, China at the moment and travelled through Monglia along the way, So I'll just talk about the ones I know anything about

quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior 1. England (Canada and Australia) 5. Russia (Little Asian countries) 13. Russia (Some of East Europe) 14. China (NK, Mongolia, Nepal, Tibet)

Canada is French.... Australia is on the verge of declaring Republic (or at least sperating from england)

Russia in general should be sperate from all the other East Europeon states, and relys on resources from other countries, (they havn't got enough resources for themselves)
Monglia Could be under russian, but definately not under china, they dont have anything similar in culture, stature, or eceonomy, like china does.
Taiwan, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Beijing and Guong Zhou are all similar in growth, size and economy status, etc etc...

Hope this info helps

Oh and after China's 16th CPC blah blah blah, thier gonna be formidable in the years to come... better start learning chinese ... lol...

	17-11-2002 22:57									#99
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Hello, I´d like to post something....
Brasil´s capital is Brasilia, not rio de janeiro...
And also the new president is Luis Inácio Lula da Silva, or just Lula da Silva.
BTW, what is the config of your computer, man? To run such a big map so quickly... how much Mghz and ram.
I really think you should have some kind of Independent nations... for example:
Chechenia( a single city with few guerilla units inside and lots outside fortified in mountains, just between a russian road leading to an oil colony)
South Ireland´s IRA
Colombia´s Farcs(a guerilla group that wants to make colombia comunist, and have one town near the border and guerillas and one or two tanks)
And some more guerilla in africa.
has anybody tought on the possibility of making the old WW2 aircraft carrier?
See ya!
Nuclear Winter

	17-11-2002 23:11									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Bane Star Canada is French.... Australia is on the verge of declaring Republic (or at least sperating from england)

Only Quebec is french, and even they have the Queen on their currency.

quote: Russia in general should be sperate from all the other East Europeon states, and relys on resources from other countries, (they havn't got enough resources for themselves)

Russia is only short on rubber. The rest they can procure from inside their own borders. They have plenty of coal, aluminum, uranium, and iron, and they have extra oil.

quote: Monglia Could be under russian, but definately not under china, they dont have anything similar in culture, stature, or eceonomy, like china does. Taiwan, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Beijing and Guong Zhou are all similar in growth, size and economy status, etc etc...

Mongolia is Russian.

I want to put Taiwan with Japan, as both are island nations in the far East that have bad relations with China and strong capitalist economies.

	17-11-2002 23:17									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Winter Hello, I´d like to post something.... Brasil´s capital is Brasilia, not rio de janeiro... And also the new president is Luis Inácio Lula da Silva, or just Lula da Silva. BTW, what is the config of your computer, man? To run such a big map so quickly... how much Mghz and ram. I really think you should have some kind of Independent nations... for example: Chechenia( a single city with few guerilla units inside and lots outside fortified in mountains, just between a russian road leading to an oil colony) South Ireland´s IRA Colombia´s Farcs(a guerilla group that wants to make colombia comunist, and have one town near the border and guerillas and one or two tanks) And some more guerilla in africa. has anybody tought on the possibility of making the old WW2 aircraft carrier? See ya! Nuclear Winter

Ok, I'll remember the leade name. You have a better idea of what Brazil should be like than I do.

Keep in mind that I am including several other countries, such as Argentina, in that civ. I know Brasilia is the capital of Brazil, but Rio de Janeiro is much bigger and more famous. I'm not choosing the capital of Brazil here, I'm choosing the capital of Southern South America.

	18-11-2002 10:31									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior Only Quebec is french, and even they have the Queen on their currency.

Ok, So i dont know much more about Canada than what Colonisation taught me, I'll give you that... In the game I learnt that Canada was French, Mexico was Spanish and the Dutch and English sorta got the rest and mixed togther....LOL...:-)

	19-11-2002 06:31									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Bane Star Ok, So i dont know much more about Canada than what Colonisation taught me, I'll give you that... In the game I learnt that Canada was French, Mexico was Spanish and the Dutch and English sorta got the rest and mixed togther....LOL...:-)

Don't forget that sometimes some of them are randomly in South America.

	19-11-2002 16:00									#104
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well, i'm not expert on north american history. but iirc, more than half of the present USA was either spanish or french. and also a big part of canada.

exact figures about canada (Source: http://www.maptown.com/geos/canada.html):
Population: 31,281,092
Ethnic groups: British Isles origin 28%, French origin 23%, other European 15%, Amerindian 2%, other, mostly Asian, African, Arab 6%, mixed background 26%
Languages:[B]Ethnic groups: English 59.3% (official), French 23.2% (official), other 17.5%

and because this is a "modern day" scenario, canada under english reign is more likely (but still not correct) than under french.

	13-12-2002 00:26									#105
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What is the status of this mod?

	15-12-2002 03:02									#106
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Working away at it. I'm slow but steady. I know its frustrating when you want a project to be done and you wait and you wait and then the creator abandons it. I won't let you down like that.

	15-12-2002 04:06									#107
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Thanks and keep up the good work. I have a feeling that this scenario is going to be amazing. I mentioned it at Civ Finatics in a thread by someone looking for good mods.

	15-12-2002 08:50									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior Keep in mind that I am including several other countries, such as Argentina, in that civ. I know Brasilia is the capital of Brazil, but Rio de Janeiro is much bigger and more famous. I'm not choosing the capital of Brazil here, I'm choosing the capital of Southern South America.

I know it might sound biased, but why not Buenos Aires? It is one of the largest cities in the world (together with NYC, Tokyo, London and some others). In the city and it's closest suburbs live approx. 12 million people, nearly as twice as much as in Rio. I'd rather not discuss which one is more famous, I guess that's more personal.
I know it's just an incredibly minor issue, but still...

	15-12-2002 09:17									#109
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Oh btw, I might release a 100x100 map "preview" version in January. Reasons for this:

1. It allows you to play sooner
2. It allows the community to see the rules I have planned and comment on them.
3. The whole thing can be done quite fast. 100x100 maps are 1/5 or 1/6 the size of giga maps, and also, more of the cities I will be placing are big and well-known. I'll be able to do Europe and North America almost without an atlas.
4. Some people don't want a huge turn wait anyway.
5. Having something actually released draws more feedback, and thus creates a better scenario.
6. I am damn tired of placing Siberian and Kazakhstani cities.

So it seems like a good idea to me. Mencey's 100x100 map will be used. (Marla's for the big version)

	15-12-2002 10:34									#110
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This is going by really fast. I just started an hour and a half ago on the "preview" map. I'm doing the most tedious stage, placing cities. I already have Africa 60% done, Europe done, Australia done, North America 30% done, and Asia 40% done. I go on break next friday, but I'll be in Cincinatti and unable to work for the first few days. After break I have exams, but then things will be good again.

	16-12-2002 04:57									#111
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JW: if you don't get too tired, it would be nice to have the a 140x140 world map version of kal-el http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=68517

i won't even try the giga map (not with a P-III/450) and 16 civs on 100x100 is slightly crowded

	17-12-2002 02:33									#112
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Hmm, maybe. Isn't two sizes each for both PTW and 1.29 enough though?

	17-12-2002 10:31									#113
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Man, if it is about size and importance, it is São Paulo (or Saint Paul). 16 million people, greatest industrial park of latin america, one of the world´s largest cities, pretty wealthy and all. And pretty cultured and all... if you need help with latin america, just ask.
But hey, maybe Forbiden palace at buenos aires or saint Paul. Who knows...

	18-12-2002 15:24									#114
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quote: Originally posted by sabrewolf 1st brussels 2nd berlin 3rd paris (order of my preference)

brussels, brussels...

Berlin is very near to Poland!!!

¿Chirac?

civ --> EU
president --> Romano Prodi

	18-12-2002 23:20									#115
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Excuse me if I've missed anything in this thread which makes the following message irrelevant or stupid:

Regarding the Middle East: This is an area of world which is of great signifigance to the entire globe, especially in these "war on terror" days, and it is very important to get the crack and fissures between states right. There should be no huge Muslim bloc, as one does not exist in real life. The most simplistic way to break it down would be:

1. Israel allied with US
2. Iran should be on its own in my opinion, or with Russia.
3. Iraq should be on its own, maybe allied with Venezuela and other disliked states...
4. Jordan, Syria and Egypt could perhaps form a "moderate Islamic bloc"
5. Pakistan with China or the US
6. Afghanistan torn between the Pakistan-Iran-Central Asian blocs, with American/NATO troops floating around...
7. Saudi Arabia and the gulf states should either be their own bloc or with the US.
8. Turkey should arguably be on it's own.
9. Sudan should be with whomever is on the side of the "terrorists", if you're including that in the scenario.

Life is complicated in the okiumene...

	18-12-2002 23:41									#116
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior USA - Bush - Washington DC (FP Jerusalem) Mexico - Fox - Mexico City Andean SA - Manrique- Lima Mercosur - Cardoso - Rio De Janiero Britain - Tony Blair - London (FPs Ottawa, Sydney) EU - Chirac - Berlin Eastern Europe - Kwasniewski(?) - Warsaw (Kiev?) Arabs - (Hmm...) - Mecca Persian Asia - Musharraf - Tehran Russia - Putin - Moscow India - Kalam - New Delhi China - Zemin - Beijing Japan - Koizumi - Tokyo Southeast Asia - (?) - Bangkok Central Africa - (?) - Lagos South Africa - (?) - Cape Town (Kinshasha?)

If you're still working on this, here's a few tiny corrections... sounds good for the most part, though...

Persia/Iran - President Khatami or Ayatollah Khameni. Musharraf is the President of Pakistan, a cold war nemesis of Iran...

South Africa is Thabo Mbeki
Central Africa, maybe Joseph Kabila? There's hardly a secure leader in the entire region though...
India - Atal Behari Vajpayee is the current Prime Minister.

Have you considered:
Olesegun Obasango of Nigeria? (relatively powerful)
Hugo Chavez of Venezuela? Venezuela is a major oil exporter and Hugo Chavez is a maverick, and a real character... he survived a coup attempt backed by Washington.

And then, Hu Jintao is a new supreme leader of China.

Is Indonesia included? Megawati Sukarnoputri is the leader.

	19-12-2002 00:52									#117
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quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Winter Man, if it is about size and importance, it is São Paulo (or Saint Paul). 16 million people, greatest industrial park of latin america, one of the world´s largest cities, pretty wealthy and all. And pretty cultured and all... if you need help with latin america, just ask. But hey, maybe Forbiden palace at buenos aires or saint Paul. Who knows...

I think that San Paulo should be the capital city, its the biggest city of the biggest country in the Mercosur, even though I think that Rio represents better the brazilian culture, San Paulo is more like an industrial city.
The forbidden palace could be in Buenos Aires, because that would diminish the corruption in the southern cities, and because Buenos Aires is the second biggest city in South America, San Paulo has 16 million inhabitants and Buenos Aires 13 million inhabitants.
In that way, you would have the capital city in the biggest country, and the forbidden palace in the other main partner of the Mercosur.

	19-12-2002 03:56									#118
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Just to let you guys know, there is Good graphics for the T90, Leclerc, Typ 90, and Merkava at CFC made by Boulboulgadol. Just to tell you You might already know but o well.

	19-12-2002 17:24									#119
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Yep, I've been watching Boulboulgadol for a while now.

I think there's a challenger 2 coming out by someone, so in a little bit we'll have all the tanks we need.

	20-12-2002 03:26									#120
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HAve you decided on what civs are going to be?
Remember the more the merrier...specially if you could put german aside france...